SOMEHOW OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF
THE ELECTION.
HERE'S SOME OF WHAT HE SAID TO
ME ON "THE BEAT."
>> THE QUESTION FOR THE START OF
THE INTERVIEW -- YES, IT IS
FINE.
BUT THE QUESTION FOR THE START
OF THE INTERVIEW IS -- I JUST
WANT TO MAKE SURE HERE THAT
WE'RE KIND OF GOING BY THE RULES
OF THE ROAD.
THE QUESTION IS, AND YOU'LL GET
TIME TO TALK --
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS --
>> I DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING,
SIR.
I'M ASKING YOU, THE QUESTION IS,
DO YOU REALIZE YOU'RE DESCRIBING
A COUP?
>> NO.
I TOTALLY REJECT MANY OF YOUR
PREMISES THERE.
YOU'RE DOING YOUR PROSECUTOR
THING.
HOW ABOUT YOU GIVE ME A CHANCE
TO TALK NOW.
IS THAT OKAY?
>> IT WOULD FOLLOW FROM YOUR
CONTENTION THAT YOU THINK VICE
PRESIDENT HARRIS WILL ULTIMATELY
HAVE THE CALL OVER WHO SHOULD BE
PRESIDENT, REGARDLESS OF THE
RESULTS IN THE NEXT ELECTION?
>> SEE, YOU MISCONSTRUED THE
WHOLE GREEN BAY SWEEP PLAN.
>> IT'S A STRETCH, WHEN WE
CHANGE THE NAME FROM PENCE TO
HARRIS.
>> NO, NO, NO.
>> IF YOU SAY ALL THOSE THINGS
OUT HERE, WHY RISK A LEGAL
BATTLE OR GOING TO JAIL TO
REFUSE TO DISCUSS THEM WITH THE
COMMITTEE UNDER OATH?
>> BECAUSE I HAVE A LOYALTY TO
THE CONSTITUTION AND A LOYALTY
TO THE PRESIDENT.
IT'S NOT MY PRIVILEGE TO WAIVE.
>> SO HE CLAIMED, AND NAVARRO
DID TAKE THE QUESTIONS AS
MENTIONED, AND ALSO DEFIED THE
LAWFUL SUBPOENA, AND CLAIMED HE
THOUGHT HE WAS ENTITLED TO
PRIVILEGES.
BUT THERE WAS A CLEAR SHREDDING
OF ASPECTS OF THE PRIVILEGE
CLAIM BY DISCUSSING THIS IN
PUBLIC.
AND THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE
USED SOME OF THESE INTERVIEWS AS
EVIDENCE FOR THE CASE FOR
CONTEMPT.
>> AT THE SAME TIME, HE WAS
REFUSING TO COMPLY WITH OUR
SUBPOENA, MR. NAVARRO MADE
MULTIPLE MEDIA APPEARANCES,
DURING WHICH HE DISCUSSED HIS
VARIOUS ROLES IN THE EVENTS THAT
CULMINATED IN THE JANUARY 6th
ATTACK.
I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY A MEDIA
CLIP RIGHT NOW.
>> I HAVE SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE TO
SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT I WAS
INVOLVED IN AND WHAT I KNOW.
>> HE HAS SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE TO
SHARE WITH A JOURNALIST, BUT
REFUSES TO SHARE THAT IN
REFERENCE TO A LAWFUL SUBPOENA.
>> THAT'S HOW THE COMMITTEE PUT
IT.
HERE WE ARE, 6:00:10 P.M. IN
WASHINGTON, AND A VOTE TO HOLD
HIM IN CONTEMPT.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO GET MR.
NAVARRO ON THE RECORD, CLEARLY
WILLING TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY
THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH,
WHILE STILL DEFYING THE LAWFUL
PROCESS TO SAY THE SAME REMARKS
TO THE CONGRESS WHO HAS THE
POWER TO INVESTIGATE THIS?
>> ALL NAVARRO IS DOING IS
DENYING THAT CONGRESS HAS A
RIGHT TO INVESTIGATE THIS ISSUE,
RIGHT?
BECAUSE HE'S WILLING TO COME ON
YOUR SHOW AND TALK ABOUT IT.
HE'S WILLING TO VIOLATE WHATEVER
PRIVILEGE HE THINKS HE HAS, HE'S
WILLING TO BREAK IT WHEN THE
CAMERAS ARE ON, JUST NOT FOR
DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS, BECAUSE
HE HAS SOME RIDICULOUS VOWIEW TH
DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS ARE NOT
LEGITIMATE.
SO WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WITH
SOME OF THESE REPUBLICANS,
NAVARRO, BANNON, TOO, AND ALL OF
THE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE GOING TO
VOTE AGAINST THE CONTEMPT
PROCEEDING TONIGHT, WHAT DO
THINK THEY WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE
SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT?
IN WHAT UNIVERSE DOES ANY
DEMOCRAT EVER AGAIN SUBMIT TO
ANY CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OVER
ANYTHING, EVER?
WHY WOULD THAT EVER HAPPEN
AGAIN?
>> YOU'RE SPEAKING --
>> WHAT'S THE END GAME HERE,
RIGHT?
>> RIGHT.
YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THAT IS
SOMETHING WE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT
IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
NORM-BUSTING, AND THE COST OF
THAT.
MICHAEL, I PUT THE SAME QUESTION
TO YOU, AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE
ARE SKEPTICAL.
WE SHOWED THE GRAPHIC THAT MR.
BANNON WAS INDICTED.
BUT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN
INDICTED YET.
WHAT DO YOU SEE AS IMPORTANT
TONIGHT IN THE VOTE THAT WE'RE
TRACKING RIGHT NOW?
>> ACCOUNTABILITY,
ACCOUNTABILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY.
I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW
VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT THAT IS
TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY
WHO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE
HONESTY AND TRUTH ABOUT WHAT
HAPPENED.
FINDING OUT WHO IS CULPABLE.
THE COUNTRY IS NOT LOOKING THIS
THROUGH A PARTISAN LENS AS MUCH
AS REPUBLICANS WOULD LIKE TO
BELIEVE, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
GO OUT AND SHOWBOAT THE WAY THEY
HAVE ON THIS ISSUE.
THE REALITY OF IT IS, IT GOES
EXACTLY WHAT ELIE IS SAYING, YOU
HAVE PEOPLE PRETENDING THERE'S A
PRIVILEGE WHEN THERE IS NO
PRIVILEGE.
EVEN IF YOU HAD THE PRIVILEGE,
GUESS WHAT, IT ENDED ON JANUARY
20th.
WHEN THE NEW PRESIDENT WAS
INAUGURATED.
SO IF YOU EVEN HAD IT, UP UNTIL
THE 19th, EVEN UP TO 11:59, YOU
DIDN'T AT 12:00 OR 12:01.
THE CLAIMS ARE FALSE AND PHONY.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW IT.
WHICH IS WHY THE EMPHASIS AT
THIS POINT IS TWO-FOLD.
ONE, WHAT IS THE COMMITTEE DOING
THAT BRINGS OUT AND HOLDS THOSE
INDIVIDUALS TO ACCOUNT?
AND ONCE HELD ACCOUNTABLE BY THE
COMMITTEE, WHAT IS OUR JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT DOGOING TO DO ABOUT
THAT?
>> YOU BRING ME TO THE NEXT
POINT, PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU AND
ELIE ARE SHARP.
THIS IS THE OPEN VOTE TO HOLD
TWO TRUMP AIDES IN CONTEMPT.
AND REPORTING THAT THE FBI HAS
GATHERED HUNDREDS MORE SUSPECTS,
WOULD BE THE LEGAL TERM, BUT
DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH LAWYERS WHEN
IT LOOKS AT WHO WAS THERE ON THE
6th.
MORE THAN 500 ACTIVE CASES NEED
TO BE RESOLVED, INCLUDING
TAPPING ONLINE SLEUTHS WHO
IDENTIFIED TO THE FBI HUNDREDS
OF ADDITIONAL JANUARY 6th RIOT
RIOTERS.
AND TRESPASSERS AND RIOTERS IS
THE MINIMUM, IF THERE'S VIDEO OF
THAT.
WHETHER ONCE YOU GET INTO THE
CASE, SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE
TRESPASSED, BUT OTHERS, IF YOU
PUT THE HEAT ON 500 OTHER CASES,
YOU'LL FIND PEOPLE WHO HAD A
WEAPON, WHO WERE THINKING THEY
COULD STEAL THE CERTIFICATION.
THEY'RE ON THE CITIZEN COUP
EFFORTS.
WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU, AND HOW
DO YOU FEEL THAT OVER A YEAR
LATER, THIS FBI AND THIS DOJ ARE
STRUGGLING TO GET THE RESOURCES
FOR CASES THAT ARE HALF-DONE BY
THE INTERNET?
>> YEAH.
START AT THE BOTTOM, AND WE'RE
STILL HERE.
WE'RE STILL AT THE INTAKE POINT.
ALL OF THESE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE
BEEN ARRESTED ON JANUARY 6th.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR CHRIS WRAY
TO LET THESE PEOPLE WALK OUT OF
THE CAPITOL.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN WALKED OUT
INTO A PADDY WAGON, DO NOT PASS
GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200, AND
THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED 15
MONTHS AGO.
I HAVE AN IDEA, BECAUSE THE
OTHER NIGHT, I HEARD TOM COTTON
PRAISE FORMER JUSTICE JACKSON
FOR GOING AND PROSECUTING NAZIS
AT THE NUREMBERG TRIAL.
MAYBE HE SHOULD GO PROSECUTE THE
INSURRECTIONISTS AT THAT TRIAL.
THEY NEED THE HELP, AND IT'S NOT
LIKE TOM COTTON IS DOING A LOT
RIGHT NOW.
>> YOU PUT IT OUT THERE.
LIKE PETER NAVARRO, PEOPLE CAN
HEAR YOU WHEN YOU SPEAK ON
TELEVISION.
SO THAT IDEA WILL GO OUT AROUND
WASHINGTON.
MICHAEL, ELIE HAS THE VIM AND
VIGOR OF SOMEONE WHO CARES
DEEPLY, BUT HAS THE CONCERN LIKE
SO MANY OTHERS DO, IF PEOPLE CAN
PUBLICLY STAGE THIS KIND OF
VIOLENCE, CHANTING HANG MIKE
PENCE, AND THERE'S VIDEO OF
THEM, AND THEY'RE NOT PICKED UP,
WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT TELL THEM
FOR NEXT TIME?
WHAT IS THE RISK OF MERRICK
GARLAND, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS,
I'M NOT OFFERING AN OPINION.
I'M OFFERING REPORTING, MICHAEL,
IT'S A HALF DONE PROJECT BY
THEIR OWN NUMBERS OF OPEN CASES,
UNCHARGED OR UNRESOLVED.
SOME OF THEM MIGHT NOT BE
CHARGED, BUT EITHER WAY, IT'S
NOT DONE, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT
GETTING IT DONE.
>> HERE'S THE VINEGAR TO MY
FRIEND'S SORT OF VIM AND
INSPIRED THINKING.
VINEGAR IS, THIS SUCKS.
THIS JUST SUCKS ALL AROUND.
WE WATCHED THIS.
WE WATCHED PEOPLE CREATE, ENGAGE
IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
THOSE IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES
AROUND THIS COUNTRY KNOW THAT
WHEN STUFF GOES DOWN, YOU DON'T
GET TO GO HOME.
RIGHT?
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU GOT
PEOPLE GETTING BACK ON THEIR
BUSES THAT WERE CHARTERED FOR
THEM BY A POLITICAL PARTY TO GET
THEM HERE TO STORM THE CAPITOL.
THEY GET TO GO HOME, AND HERE WE
ARE, 15 MONTHS LATER, AND OUR
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS SAYING,
WELL, WE'RE JUST FINDING OUT WE
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO
PROSECUTE.
WE'RE FINDING MORE PEOPLE WHO
COMMITTED WRONGDOING.
IF YOU HAD YOUR TELEVISION ON,
ON JANUARY 6th, YOU KNEW WHAT
THOSE NUMBERS WERE, YOU KNEW
WHAT THIS WOULD BE LIKE.
I DON'T THINK THERE HAS BEEN A
VERY SERIOUS RAMPING UP HERE, TO
UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THIS
MOMENT MEANT FOR THE COUNTRY.
BECAUSE IT'S ALL BEEN CLOUDED BY
THE POLITICS.
NO ONE WANTS TO THREATEN THE
STRUCTURE OF THINGS BECAUSE, OH,
MY GOD, IT INVOLVES A FORMER
PRESIDENT OR THE FORMER CHIEF OF
STAFF, OR, OH, LORD, WHAT WILL
WE DO, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE
POLITICAL FAMILY OF DONALD
TRUMP.
CALL THIS THESEESE PEOPLE UP AND
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
REQUIRES YOU TO DO.
YOU WON'T THINK ABOUT IT WITH A
RIOT IN WATTS OR SOUTHEAST D.C.
NOBODY WILL SAY, Y'ALL GO HOME,
WE'LL CALL YOU BACK LATER.
THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
AND WE WATCHED THAT.
THE PART THAT SUCKS FOR SO MANY
AMERICANS IS HOW FRUSTRATEING IT
IS TO HEAR PEOPLE PRETEND AND
JUST ACT LIKE WE'RE NOT WATCHING
THEM DO THAT.
SO, YEAH.
THE VINEGAR IS, JANUARY 6th WILL
DIE THIS NOVEMBER ON THE FIRST
TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER, WHEN THE
COUNTRY DECIDES TO GIVE POWER
BACK TO THE PARTY THAT CAUSED
THE DAMN INSURRECTION.
AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'RE
GOING TO DO WITH IT?
THINK ABOUT THAT OVER THE NEXT
SIX MONTHS, FOLKS, AND DECIDE
WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY YOU WANT,
AND WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TO GO
IN.
BECAUSE THE OTHER ANSWER TO
ARI'S QUESTION IS, DON'T COME
KNOCKING ON ME WITH WARRANTS AND
SUBPOENAS, BECAUSE I'VE LEARNED
FROM THE BEST OF THE WHITEST
THAT IT DON'T APPLY TO ME NO
MORE.
THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, SO