>>> GEORGE DIDN’T HURT ANYONE
THAT DAY.
HE DIDN’T DESERVE TO DIE OVER
$20.
I’M ASKING YOU, IS THAT WHAT A
BLACK MAN IS WORTH?
$20?
THIS IS 2020.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
>> THAT’S GEORGE FLOYD’S
BROTHER, TELLING CONGRESS,
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
GETTING EMOTIONAL AND ASKING IF
A BLACK MAN’S LIFE IS WORTH $20.
AFTER HIS BROTHER’S KILLING WAS
CAUGHT ON VIDEO.
THERE IS NEW PRESSURE AND IT IS
FORCING MORE TAPED INCIDENTS
INTO THE PUBLIC.
TWO MORE UNARMED BLACK MEN DYING
IN POLICE CUSTODY.
WE WARN YOU, THE VIDEOS WE ARE
ABOUT TO SHOW YOU ARE
DISTURBING.
28-YEAR-OLD CHEMISTRY STUDENT
MAURICE GORDON WAS FAILLY SHOT
AFTER AN INCIDENT IN NEW JERSEY
ON MAY 23rd, TWO DAYS BEFORE THE
DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD.
HERE HE IS.
HE IS BEING PULLED OVER BY A NEW
JERSEY RESTROOM ERSTATE TROOPER.
WE DO NOT KNOW BEFORE THIS
FOOTAGE.
>> YOU WENT BY ME 110 MILES AN
HOUR. THAT’S WHY YOU’RE BEING STOPPED.
>> STAY IN YOUR CAR!
>> THEN AS YOU SEE HERE, GORDON
GOT OUT OF THE CAR AND ACCORDING
TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S
OFFICE, HE TRIED TO ENTER THE
DRIVER’S SEAT OF THE TROOPER’S
CAR TWICE.
AND I WANT TO WARN YOU AGAIN,
THESE NEXT IMAGES ARE
DISTURBING.
THE SERGEANT FIRED HIS GUN SIX
TIMES, ULTIMATELY KILLING GORDON.
GORDON DIED.
THE OFFICER, CURRENTLY ON PAID
LEAVE WHILE THE INCIDENT IS
BEING INVESTIGATED.
AND THIS MAN, IN TEXAS, FATHER
OF TWO BOYS, HE WAS PULLED OVER
IN MARCH OF 2019 AFTER FAILING
TO DIM HIS HEADLIGHTS FOR
ONCOMING TRAFFIC.
HE WAS PULLED OVER AFTER A
22-MINUTE POLICE CHASE.
A TRAFFIC STOP THAT ENDED WITH
HIS DEATH IS ALSO HEARD ON
CAMERA TELLING OFFICERS, QUOTE,
I CAN’T BREATHE.
AND I WANT TO WARN YOU, THESE ARE DISTURBING IMAGES.
>> THAT CASE REMAINS UNDER
INVESTIGATION A YEAR HEAR.
DETAILS AND VIDEOS IN THOSE
INCIDENTS ARE ONLY BEING
RELEASED NOW IN LARGE PART
BECAUSE OF ONGOING MEDIA
PRESSURE.
WHICH BRINGS US BACK TO THE
PROTESTS, THE MOVEMENT.
FIGHTING FOR A CHANGE OF THE
SYSTEM.
HOW MANY OF THESE INCIDENTS ARE
>>> JOINING US NOW, THE, A
POLICE OFFICER WHO WORKED ON
PRESIDENT OBAMA’S POLICING
REFORM EFFORTS.
HE TESTIFIED REMOTELY AT TODAY’S
JUDICIARY HEARING.
YOUR TAKEAWAY FROM THE LAST TWO
WEEKS, FROM TODAY’S HEARING.
IS CHANGE COMING?
>> I THINK IT IS.
WHY I THINK CHANGE IS COMING,
THE MAIN REASON, YOU IDENTIFIED
IT.
IS THAT PEOPLE REALIZE, THIS IS
NOT ABOUT A FEW BAD APPLES.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT A LOT OF BAD
APPLES.
THIS IS ABOUT SYSTEMIC CHANGE.
WE HAVE OPERATIONAL SYSTEMS AND
POLICING THAT ARE EXTREMELY
DYSFUNCTIONAL AND STILL BEING
HIGHLY AFFECTED BY STRUCTURAL
RACISM.
UNTIL WE ADDRESS THOSE, WE’RE
GOING TO KEEP HAVING THESE
INCIDENTS.
WE CAN’T KEEP PLAYING
WHACK-A-MOLE WITH BAD COPS.
WE NEED SYSTEMIC POLICE REFORM.
WE NEED TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM AS
WE KNOW IT BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS
FLAWED.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN
DESIGNED 50, 60 YEARS AGO FOR
THE PURPOSE OF ENFORCING
DISCRIMINATORY LAWS.
>> I WANT TO POINT OUT ON YOUR
SCREEN, GEORGE FLOYD’S BROTHER,
WHO ALSO TESTIFIED TODAY, IS NOW
IN LAFAYETTE PARK, BASICALLY
STANDING A FEW FEET FROM WHERE
PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SPEAKING A
WEEK AGO ON THIS SAME DAY RUBBER
BULLETS AND TEAR GAS WERE USED
TO CLEAR PEACEFUL PROTESTERS
JUST LIKE GEORGE FLOYD’S
BROTHER.
RIGHT NOW.
YOU SAW THOSE NEW VIDEOS THAT
EMERGE THAT HAD WE SHOWED A
MOMENT AGO.
HOW MANY INCIDENTS ARE OUT THERE
THAT WE’VE NEVER SEEN?
HOW WORRIED SHOULD WE BE?
>> WELL, WE SHOULD BE VERY
WORRIED.
THERE ARE LOTS OF INCIDENTS THAT
WE’VE NEVER SEEN AND THERE ARE
LOTS OF INCIDENTS ON VIDEO THAT
WE MAY NEVER SEE.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, THERE
HAS BEEN A PUSH FOR POLICE BODY
CAMERAS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS
OR SO.
BUT MANY LEGISLATURES HAVE
RESPONDED WITH LAWS THAT MAKE IT
ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE LAW
THE SEE THE VIDEOS.
THE LAW IS TWOFOLD.
AN UNNUMBERED, UNKNOWN SERIES OF
INCIDENTS LIKE THIS WHERE THERE
IS NO VIDEO AND THEN THE
POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE
INCIDENTS THAT ARE CAPTURED ON
VIDEO, AND IT IS DIFFICULT FOR
THE PUBLIC TO FIND OUT WHAT IS
THERE ANYWAY.
>> WHAT IS THE RATIONALE AGAINST
WEARING BODY CAMS AND SHARING
THAT VIDEO?
TRANSPARENCY.
SHOULDN’T THAT BE EVERYONE’S
IDEAL?
>> IT SHOULD BE.
IT SHOULD BE THE CORE PRINCIPLE
OF A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND PART OF IT IS IS THIS WAS
NEGOTIATED IN CONTRACTS.
IT IS EMBEDDED INTO STATE LAW.
THE ONLY CAUTION THAT COULD COME
INTO PLAY WITH RELEASE AGO VIDEO
WOULD BE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION,
WHERE EARLY RELEASE MAY
COMPROMISE THE CASE.
BUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, ALL THE
VIDEO SHOULD BE RELEASED.
IT SHOWS WHAT IT SHOWS.
IF IT IS GOOD NEWS, IT SHOWS
THAT.
IF THERE’S BAD NEWS, IT SHOWS
THAT.
IF THERE ARE MISTAKES, THE
PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW.
WE SHOULD ALWAYS ERR ON THE SIDE
OF TRANSPARENCY.
THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN SOME
OF IT SHOULD BE REDACTED.
SOME OF IT MAY NOT BE RELEASED
BUT I THINK HE’S RIGHT.
WE SHOULD SEE MORE AND MORE
LEGISLATIVE ACTION BEING TAKEN
TO PROHIBIT THE RELEASE AND
ORDER IT NOT TO BE RELEASED OR
REQUIRE COURT ORDERS TO GET A
RELEASE.
AND IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE
OF THE BODY CAMERA TO BEGIN
WITH.
>> WE REPORTED JUST A MOMENT AGO
ON THAT LATEST I CAN’T BREATHE
INCIDENT IN TEXAS.
AND I WANT TO SHARE THE PARENTS
OF THAT MAN SPOKE EARLIER TODAY.
WATCH THIS.
>> I JUST WANT THESE PEOPLE TO
SUFFER EXACTLY, GO TO JAIL, YOU
KNOW.
BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS.
THEY USE THEIR BADGE, THEY USE
THEIR GUN, THEY USE THEIR
POSITION TO TRY TO OVERCOME
PEOPLE AND IT’S NOT RIGHT.
>> YOUR REACTION?
>> IT’S TRUE.
I DON’T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING
ELSE YOU HAVE TO ADD TO THAT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
HAPPENS HERE, IS THAT
AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE
DISPROPORTIONATELY LIKELY TO
HAVE CONTACT WITH THE LEGAL
SYSTEM ON MULTIPLE FRONTS.
AND THE GREATER AMOUNT OF
CONTACT LENDS ITSELF TO THE
GREATER POSSIBILITIES OF
INCIDENTS LIKE THIS HAS GONE.
WHAT WE SEE HERE IS
DISPROPORTIONATE.
ONE OTHER POINT THAT I’VE BEEN
MAKING A LOT, ONE OF THE REASONS
THIS PROBLEM HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO
PERSIST IS THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE
PERCEPTION THAT THIS IS A BLACK
AND BROWN PROBLEM.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO DISCARD ALL
THE ZINCIDENTS INVOLVING BLACK
AND BROWN PEOPLE, THERE ARE A
LOT OF UNARMED WHITE PEOPLE
KILLED BY POLICE EACH YEAR.
WE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM
WITH POLICING IN THIS COUNTRY,
WHOSE MOST EXTREME FORMS ARE
WITNESSED BY HOW WE SEE THEY ARE
TREATED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
>> THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE
GIVING A SPEECH ON POLICING
TOMORROW.
HE CALLS HIMSELF THE LAW AND
ORDER PRESIDENT.
HE DIDN’T EVEN MENTION GEORGE
FLOYD YESTERDAY.
AND OBVIOUSLY, HIS RESPONSE TO
THE PROTESTS IS UNDER FIRE EVEN
WITH PEOPLE IN HIS OWN PARTY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK WE’RE IN FOR?
>> UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF THE
SAME OLD STUFF, THE RHETORIC
THAT IS DANGEROUS.
WHEN WE SEE LAW AND ORDER, I
THINK EVERYONE KNOWS, THAT LAW
AND ORDER DOES NOT MEAN WHAT IT
IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN, PEACE AND
JUSTICE.
IT MEANS THE TARGETING OF
COMMUNITIES, OF MEN OF COLOR TO
FIGHT CRIME.
IT MEANS HE’LL PLAY TO THE
DIVISIONS OF THIS COUNTRY AND
FOCUS ON THINGS COMPLETELY
IRRELEVANT TO THE MOMENT.
HE’S GOING TO TRY TO TURN THIS
INTO A WE VERSUS THEM, OR US
AGAINST THE POLICE AND I’M HERE
TO TELL YOU, TO YOUR EARLIER
QUESTION, WHY THIS WILL BE
DIFFERENT.
ASK POLICE, MYSELF AS A 30-YEAR
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, AND
TALKING TO MY FRIENDS.
ALL OF US KNOW IT HAS TO CHANGE.
WHAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD DO IS
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE
SYSTEMIC ISSUES AND GO AGAINST
WHAT A.G. BARR HAS.
.
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT RACE IS
STILL A MAJOR ISSUE IN THIS
COUNTRY.
THAT WE NEED TO REFORM THE
SYSTEM AND HE SHOULD TAKE THE
LEAD AS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF
IN THAT.
I’M NOT A BETTING MAN BUT I
WOULDN’T PUT A PENNY ON HIM
DOING THAT.
>> I’M A MERE CIVILIAN.
I WANT YOU TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND
THIS.
THE LOUISVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT
JUST RELEASED BREONNA TAYLOR’S
INCIDENT REPORT.
IT WAS BASICALLY BLANK.
WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, THIS WOMAN
WAS FATALLY SHOT EIGHT TIMES IN
HER OWN APARTMENT.
AND IT LISTS HER INJURIES AS
NONE.
HOW COULD THAT BE?
>> WHAT DID THE POLICE SAY
HAPPENED TO MR. FLOYD BEFORE THE
VIDEO CAME OUT?
WHAT DID THE POLICE SAY HAPPENED
IN BUFFALO BEFORE THE VIDEO CAME
OUT?
THERE ARE INSTITUTIONAL CULTURES
HERE IN WHICH PEOPLE PROTECT
EACH OTHER.
THE HORRENDOUS MISCARRIAGE OF
JUSTICE THAT RESULTED IN MISS
TAYLOR LOSING HER LIFE SHOULD
HAVE BEEN SAASSIDUOUSLY DETAILED
EVERY RELEVANT FACT THERE.
THAT’S AN OUTRIGHT LIE.
A PERSON DOESN’T GET SHOT EIGHT
TIMES AND HAVE NO INJURIES.
SO THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL SIMPLE
ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND I WILL ADD WERE THIS ANY
OTHER INSTITUTION, IT WOULD BE A
NONQUESTION.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT
SPENDING.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ANY
MUNDANE FUNCTION OF THE FEDERAL
MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS, PEOPLE
WOULD SAY THERE IS NO WAY YOU
UNDERSTAND THE SUN THAT YOU
SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH
THIS LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND
TRANSPARENCY.
>> WELL, WE’RE CALLING FOR MORE