>>> THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION IS
NOW FACING ITS GREATEST LEGAL
AND FINANCIAL TEST OF ITS ENTIRE
CORPORATE LIFETIME WITH THIS
GRAND JURY PROBE, AND WERE
JOINED BY A FORMER TRUMP
ORGANIZATION EXECUTIVE VICE
PRESIDENT, BARBARA REZ.
SHE ALSO WROTE THE BOOK "TOWER
OF LIES: WHAT MY 18 YEARS OF
WORKING WITH DONALD TRUMP
REVEALS ABOUT HIM."
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> MY PLEASURE.
>> BARBARA, I WANT TO PICK UP ON
A POINT THAT APPLIES TO THE LAST
YEAR WITH MR. GAETZ AND THE
STORY OF THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION.
DOLLY PARTON AND OTHERS HAVE
DISCUSSED THE COMPANY YOU KEEP.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR PEOPLE
LIKE WEISSELBERG IN HIS DIRECT
REPORT NOW MAY DETERMINE THE
FUTURE OF THE COMPANY IN COURT?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, HE ALWAYS
WANTED PEOPLE TO BE LOYAL TO THE
DEATH. YOU KNOW, COHEN SAID IT.
YOU KNOW, COHEN SAID IT.
JOE MANCHIN IT I. NOW THE TIMING
IS VERY INTERESTING.
>> SO YOU SEE WHAT THEYRE DOING
TO THE MONEY MAN, WEISSELBERG TO
TRUMP IS ALSO WHAT THEYRE DOING
FROM McCONNEY TO WEISSELBERG?
>> THATS WHAT I SEE, YEAH.
>> LETS LOOK AT -- GO AHEAD.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DONT
KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE ON McCONNEY
IN HIS POSITION.
I DONT KNOW THAT HES A
PARTICIPANT IN THE ILLEGAL
ACTIVITY.
BUT IT IS SO CLOSE.
YOU GET A CALL FROM THE DAS
OFFICE.
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO.
ITS GOT TO BE SCARY.
ITS GOT TO BE SCARY FOR HIM, SO
HES GOING TO TALK.
>> YEAH.
AND I THINK YOU MAKE THE
INTERESTING POINT.
THE LOWER YOU GO DOWN THE CHAIN
IN RESPONSIBLE IMPROPRIETIES,
WHICH ARE WHATS UNDER
INVESTIGATION, THE MORE YOU MAY
FIND PEOPLE DONT KNOW ENOUGH TO
HAVE THE REQUISITE INTENT TO
BREAK THE LAW.
WE HAD EXPERTS WALK US THROUGH
ON THIS PROGRAM WHERE IF ONE
PERSON THINKS THEYRE PUTTING
THROUGH REAL TAX NUMBERS OVER
HERE AND SOMEONE WAY OVER THERE
IS PUTTING IN VERY DIFFERENT
NUMBERS FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE,
IF THOSE TWO PEOPLE DONT TALK
OR MEET, THEYRE ON DIFFERENT
FLOORS.
THEY MAY NOT BE AS EASILY
INDICTABLE AS SOMEONE AT THE
TOP, A FOUNDER OR CFO THAT
ACTUALLY KNOWS NUMBERS.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW ALLEN, TAKE A
LOOK HERE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HES EVER
BEEN CAUGHT BY NEWS CAMERAS.
HERE IT IS.
>> I HAVE NO COMMENT.
>> DO YOU FEEL PRESSURE FROM MR.
TRUMP --
>> I HAVE NO COMMENT.
I HAVE NO COMMENT.
>> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> YOU KNOW HIM.
DOES HE LOOK ABOUT THE SAME OR
ANY DIFFERENT OR TOO HARD TO
TELL IN SUCH A BRIEF CLIP?
>> HES A LOT OLDER.
>> ARENT WE ALL, BARBARA?
>> I DONT THINK THAT HE WAS, I
DONT KNOW, AS ROUGH AS HE
APPEARED THERE.
HE WAS A MUCH MORE GENTLE KIND
OF PERSON.
YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT NO
COMMENT, NO COMMENT, IM
THINKING HE PICKED THAT UP ALONG
THE WAY.
>> AND HERE IS MICHAEL COHEN,
ANOTHER WITNESS WHO IS COOPERATE
COOPERATING WITH THIS GRAND JURY
PROBE.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> EVERYBODY LIED FOR DONALD.
IT WASNT JUST ME.
IT WAS THE ENTIRE COMPANY.
IT WAS DON JR., IVANKA, ERIC,
JARED, ALLEN.
YOU NAME IT.
THE LAWYERS, EVERYBODY IN THE
COMPANY LIED FOR DONALD BECAUSE
THATS JUST THE WAY THE COMPANY
OPERATED.
>> MULTIPART QUESTION TO CLOSE
US OUT, BARBARA.
WAS THAT TRUE IN YOUR
EXPERIENCE?
DID THAT INCLUDE LYING WHERE IT
CAN BE ILLEGAL?
THERE IS SOME LYING THAT GOES ON
IN REAL ESTATE, LIKE IT OR NOT,
BUT LYING TO GOVERNMENT
REGULATORS IS DIFFERENT.
AND, THIRD, DID YOU EVER FEEL
THAT PRESSURE?
>> FOR ONE THING, SOMETIMES
PEOPLE LIE AND THEY DONT KNOW
THEYRE LYING.
THEY KNOW THEYRE DEALING WITH
TRUMP AND TRUMP SAYS THIS AND
THEY WILL GO WITH THAT.
SERIOUSLY.
BECAUSE INITIALLY I BELIEVED
HIM.
I BELIEVE EVERYTHING HE SAID.
I THINK THAT WE HAD A LITTLE
MEETING OF THE MINDS, SO TO
SPEAK TO SIGN OFF ON SOMETHING
AS AN ENGINEER THAT I DIDNT
KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
I SAID NO.
AT THAT POINT IN TIME HE KNEW HE
WASNT GOING TO TRY TO ASK ME TO
DO ANYTHING.
BUT I CERTAINLY JUST SAID THAT
THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WHAT
HE SAID NO AND WHAT IS NOT
NECESSARILY THE RIGHT THING AND
BORDERLINE ILLEGAL.
COHEN IS ONE.
CALIMARI MAY HAVE BEEN ONE, SOME
OF THE THINGS HE MAY HAVE DONE
TO DONALD.
IT IS SPECULATION, BUT BASED ON,
YOU KNOW, MY KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR
RELATIONSHIP.
McCONNEY IS AN INTERESTING GUY.
HES A SMART GUY, AND I DONT
THINK YOU COULD PULL THE WOOL
OVER HIS HEAD SO MUCH.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, HE DEALT
WITH WEISSELBERG AND WEISSELBERG
TOLD HIM WHAT HE WANTED TO KNOW.
HE WASNT CLOSE TO TRUMP.
>> YEAH.
AND THAT MAY BE A DIFFICULT TO
PROSECUTORS IN THE THEORY OF
THEIR CASE.
HES NOT THAT CLOSE TO TRUMP,
BUT AS YOU SAID HE PUTS PRESSURE
AND WANTS OUT OF THIS WHOLE
THING.