it's funny how things work mike smith we
were just talking about dwayne haskins
and the washington football team
and now we're joined by someone who's on
their way
to maryland uh to the dmv let's call it
the dmv on their way to the dmv
kimberly martin uh the ace reporter from
espn
so uh kimberly we were just talking
about haskins
all right what are we are we missing
something here because it just seems
like as mike
as mike smith said come on come on
this isn't bad this is bad optics this
is a bad health situation
what are we missing and not only do
your head coach is battling cancer like
what are we like what are we
doing this whole i did a whole outside
the lines um
segment on the washington softball team
is it's a feel-good um story right now
and a few days later
we've got daniel snyder in the news
we've got dwayne haskins in the news
um yeah he immaturity bottom line
immaturity
they did not like his immaturity when he
was drafted
a lot of other teams didn't like it and
he's shown himself to be
somebody that doesn't understand the
weight of the situation he's in
and does not have self-awareness because
he's now been benched twice
twice once before a guy
who was a backup turned start in
carolina and the other
a guy coming off of almost losing his
leg
like that's that's the situation dwayne
haskins is in
you know i i said to mike earlier uh
kimberly i said do you think they'll do
something drastic
mike pointed out accurately that you
know alan
and smith are hurt but they signed a
practice squad quarterback
uh is it so dramatic that going to the
biggest game of the year
you would make a statement by benching
dwayne haskins again for a third time
and having a practice squad quarterback
lead your team
as you try to win the division you think
they'd do something like that
i would instead hope that alex smith's
uh calf
heals by the time sunday's game starts
because
they're gonna try to get him to practice
this week and see how he feels
so the hope is that alex is ready to go
so you don't have to turn
to the practice squad qv that you just
called up that you just signed to the
active roster
um ron rivera is very big
on accountability and team and
brotherhood and it's about us
i feel like i would not fault him for
for
making the decision to bench dwayne
haskins because
that you have to sort of if you're going
to be that no-nonsense coach
this is the time that you would say you
know what your actions as a quarterback
and as a teammate affect everybody
in this locker room especially now
during a pandemic so
i don't think that's what he would do
but
if you are going to walk that line of
accountability above
all and we're trying to change what's
been happening here
in washington and get everybody to buy
in and
all these players to understand that no
one is greater than the team
that that would send a really big
message
uh staying in the nfc east but um
staying on the subject of benching
what is your experience but what does
your intel
via league sources tell you about how
the eagles quarterback such a situation
will play out
after jaylen hurts it looks strong
through two starts
how do you see that situation playing
out not just the rest of the season but
even going into 21 if you could look
into your crystal ball
i just i don't see how they move carson
just because of the contract and if
you're another team
are you going to trade carson and that
price tag
you know like we don't really know
what carson is like we think he's good
and then he comes out and he just looks
completely lost sometimes
and you can't say well this team has no
weapons it has the offensive line play
hasn't been good
because at least over two games we've
seen jalen hurts
deal with this entire rocks with the
same roster same coaching staff
question is why has jalen
looked more poised why has he been able
to
um rally the troops for lack of a better
phrase
but i don't think these two the problem
is these two can't coexist i don't
understand how you can
have bring them back in a competition
like
and and the fact that carson doesn't
want to be a backup like i get it i
don't want to be
number two i get it however why are we
in this situation
because of how you're playing right okay
so he has nobody to blame
but himself so to me
you can't have a combative um toxic sort
of qb
room right you need guys to be
competitive
but at least willing to understand like
i'm not scared trying to sabotage you
like i get it it's all about the team
i don't see how that dynamic works and
if the first thing
it's only been two games and yet we're
hearing carson doesn't want to be a
backup
like he could have just let jalen okay
let's see how jaylen plays this out
when i get my shot i'ma come back and
i'm not giving it up he could add a
different attitude
but why those feelings are being why
they're being leaked right now that to
me is troubling
but i don't see how you move them what
team what team is going to want
him and that well
hey listen there are some teams kimberly
that don't have great quarterbacks
like chicago right chicago but um let me
ask you right so tell me
tell me why this wouldn't happen i know
that revenue is going down because of
covet
so those cap numbers are going to be a
little lower in 2021
than they were in 2020. um
but there are a lot of teams that are
carrying some dead money
on the roster why couldn't you if you're
philadelphia if you're that motivated
to get carson wentz out of there you
take the dead money hit
you trade him you get an asset in return
and
you have a little less money to play
with in 2021. why why wouldn't that
happen plus you got a good quarterback
you got a good contract
with jalen hurts you got a good
quarterback contract so kind of it could
offset a little bit
yeah but we're also talking about two
games it's been two games
that jalen hurts has played and he's
looked good will it end up being four
games
will that carry into 2021 um i didn't
understand i did not understand
drafting jalen hurts unless
you felt like we we are prepared to move
on from carson like to me
i didn't i didn't understand why jalen
was even here um
they clearly believe in him but as an as
as a front office if i invest 100 and
some million dollars in you
like i want some return on my investment
like i just don't want to then
like let you go like i feel like
i don't understand a lot of these front
office moves and it's like we're trying
to make sense of
pieces that don't necessarily fit
together
like doug peterson and couldn't be
wasn't calling
great games for carson all of a sudden
he's like oh i've streamlined everything
gotten it you know so guys are
comfortable with you know plays that
jail
and it's like well you could have done
that with carson like rolling him out we
like roll carson out like i'm not
understanding the doug peterson carson
situation i don't understand
why it took so long to go to jalen why
this
is oh every week we've gotta play this
game of like
okay jalen might be the starter i gotta
watch film um
but again in theory it sounds like why
don't we just get rid of get rid of him
and
and you know get something in return yes
but what team is going to take on that
contract
i mean that you can talk about chicago
sure
uh frank reich if they decide to move on
from phillip rivers in indy
okay it makes sense but does the money
make sense
hello hello
um so we already talked about one of
your old beats
in washington uh you covered you covered
the jets for about what five
five years almost six i left in season
six
yes i had enough so i
yeah well okay so
you know that you got an organization
yeah you know that beat that fan base
michael i came in yesterday just just
flabbergasted
by how they can't even lose right you
know i mean like
how should please talk some sense into
the people who feel like
you know oh you know they just did their
job by by winning a game no
like that's we're trying we're trying to
win the war here not just one battle
against the rams like i was so
i was like i was a jets fan i was
devastated kimberly
i understand why and stay tuned for an
upcoming parting shot on this very topic
um but really to the fans who
to the fans who are feeling just as
frustrated as you michael
i understand you have my sympathy
because in a lost
year there was that light at the end of
the tunnel
that gold at the end of the rainbow the
jets were
primed to get trevor lawrence and
because
i mean and greg williams like he
he saved the season against the raiders
and i think hey whoo
thank you that was close that was cool
where was him when you needed him this
sunday greg williams would not have let
that happen kimberly
i'm telling you i felt like the jets the
best thing the jets could have done this
year is just keep the coaching staff
in intact just let them do what they do
and they'll get you to owen 16.
but um yeah because like you said it's
not about
who's gonna remember the jets beat
the la rams in week 15 of the 2020
season
you know we're you know what we're gonna
remember hey remember when the jets
almost had a chance to draft trevor
lawrence and
oh he went to the jaguars instead you
know like
this i get it players jason kelsey went
viral for his video recently about
players
played a win organizations have to be
focused on winning
i get it i get it but
joe douglas the gm his job is to think
about now
but really the future he signed a
six-year deal because he knows you can't
turn this around
like that this organization is rotted
from
the bottom and you gotta rebuild it and
you do that with a transcendent qb
um sticking with now we're talking about
oh they can stick with stan darnold and
turn him around it's for three years
like
what how did the narrative switch to now
they
they can they can save sam they were
supposed to save him this year
with the offensive guru right and
and now the jets don't have any answers
at qb right now
well first of all joe douglas didn't
hire adam gase so i think he's got a
different guru in mind
and the other is the other thing is
kimberly
sure it starts from the uh you know
bottom up top bound
top down all the rock that's going on
but part of the
problem with the jets for a few years
since you know 1969 part of the problem
is that they have thought had had this
losing mentality this loser's mentality
and
i understand like trevor lawrence
generational talent
but you're really going to get upset
that your team won a game
i mean that that nationality did they
did they change that mentality on sunday
michael did they change it on something
to be true
both things can be true kimberly and
michael both things can be true but
trevor lawrence is good
could be great for the new york jets and
it's also a problem
that you're sitting there hoping to lose
so you can get trevor lawrence like both
of those things are true
oh yes i'm with you emotionally it is it
is
you don't feel right rooting for your
team to lose i get that for fans
however you got to see the bigger
picture what's the difference between
going on 16
versus one and 15 speakers
potentially the number one game
i mean listen to me maybe i listen to
you
we are literally speaking reason and the
man is not absorbing it i don't
i don't know what else like we're
talking about this guy
a transcendent best prospect since luck
some people think
he could be as good as elway like that's
not something that you want to mess
around with
if there ever was a franchise that
needed to get the qb
right it is the new york jets you know
what mike
mike mike kimberly i just want to point
out to you you know one of my favorite
super bowls
is that time andrew luck got the ball he
was down four at his own 20 yard line
and he drove down to
oh oh it never happened oh it never
happened
the biggest game i saw andrew luck in
there the big story was not andrew luck
it was a deflated football
so stop it with andrew luck he didn't
win a thing in his career and he was a
can't miss prospect
it happens that's not a guarantee of a
super bowl
victory but are you closer
what's he did he did he not playing no
that was an awful case
that was an awful case that was rudy
giuliani that was terrible case
you are you you're complaining to you're
someone else
kevin don't even talk to him because he
got saturn and jupiter behind him anyway
i don't know what the hell happened
your head's up there in the clouds
i got super powers hey i got superpowers
now nobody's saying
that it's a guarantee we're simply
saying that if you go
go oh you're gonna go one in 15 you
might as well go over and 16.
no matter like what's the difference if
you're going to win you didn't give
yourself
until week 15. why are you waiting till
week 15 to win again it's about a day
late the dollar short
that ain't changing nothing but you're
ruining your draft status kimberly you
get it
uh hey before we uh get let you get up
out of here because i appreciate just
trying to help me with him i need all
the help i can get
um do you have any holiday traditions
that you would like to share that you
have planned uh for the end of the week
did we not talk about this yeah no i'm
i'm sort of like a grit
i'm sort of like a grinch like i only
recently came around to christmas
i'm not a big christmas like like the
decorations and stuff like that's on my
husband like i don't
do feelings and warmth and all that
stuff
it's a new thing for me
[Laughter]
i'm a grizzled sports writer i'm on the
road i'm do i'm working holidays i don't
wanna you know
literally this year my mom gave me my
christmas present in a plastic bag
unwrapped like that like like that is
i would not have guessed that your your
personality would be a lie that
philosophy when it comes to the holidays
then they're surprised so bubbly and
lovely but no i don't
i'm not i'm not i'm not sure i'm
surprised not that i'm keeping a list
here
mike but she says i don't do feelings
i don't do love warm feelings are warm
right i'm warming up
it is humanity remember we were talking
about frankie beverly and she was like
[Music]
we had moved past that the fact that you
were afraid of making us back there
the fact that you were taking them don't
try to mess up me and mike don't
don't we finally put that better i'm
good
that's that's okay that's okay i'm not
upset about it
mike was just trying to recover from
that beatdown he just took again
thank you for trying to enlighten him he
hard hit it
you know i know i think i think it's the
messenger i think it's the message
some things some can't know they sunk in
they sunk in i appreciate you kimberly
uh even though you don't do feelings and
warmth we appreciate you
merry christmas happy holidays to you
and yours
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