I'm involved in extinction rebellion, because
Climate change and general ecological destruction is the greatest challenge that we face. It's existential
We have some time to sort it out, but not much and it's an emergency
Are you aware of
Veganism and impacts it can have on the environment
So the way we can use veganism to reduce our impact on the environment.
the moral issue of eating animals aside
there can actually be circumstances in which and
Well raised meat can be part of a system. That is actually
Ecologically friendly obviously in that current system of factory farming me is appalling for the environment. Yeah, that's so also is soil.
Yeah, Yeah, that's very true. I did see a stat that the majority of soy is fed to animals
that we consume so that there is that and in
ecosystem as it is the moment yet people to switch to vegan or at least vegetarian largely because
That chief our meat is so environmentally appalling I can imagine system which an animal is like raised well
And is killed with respect and a certain sense of sacredness
princes actually I had like I went to a
sort of festival
couple years ago where there was deer that were shot on the land they came from
free-roaming deer shot on the land
But should they're there and then done over a fire and it's not like I should quite sync grid about that in a weird way
Like eating that eating those animals that are from that land you think from the animals perspective
They would matter that. We see a sacred though. Do you think for them? They're a victim regardless
The idea that if your vegan you're somehow morally superior because you're relying on mono crop grain, it's bollocks
I suppose the majority of mono crops do go to feeding the animals that weeds in the West. I'm not about the current system
Okay
I mean because complete bullshit compete bollocks the idea of feeding any kind of food that
Humans could eat to animals is obscene the antiabortion. I believe that become there comes a point where it would be a moral
I don't know should to do that cuz you're basically using the same Argus anti-abortion activists
Which is presumably quite a progressive activists. You may want to think about the same arguments that you're using
I'm actually a campaign different nature rights. So the idea that trees and rivers should have rights legal rights trees
How did you know trees are sentient? Because they have got a brain a part of central nervous system
There's actually research suggests
They do actually they do actually feel and understand all living things are
actually in their own way sacred and that we should actually yeah, I'm actually more campaigning between tsavorite and animals because
Because other people aren't the animals thing and you you you're so in favor of animal rights that you come to do interviews
But ever you haven't eat you haven't even considered the idea of trees having right? Okay. Okay, so lettuce sure
So let's say and I'm also sentient beings they work. Sorry plants for sentient beings
They want to live because we're feeding so many animals with plants
You'd actually reduce the amounts of plant casualties by being vegan and this comic code climate. Say that again
So if you wanted to save plant lives if you were to go vegan
We'd be causing less harm to plants because we're feeding so many plants to animals
Yeah, I mean yes I told you I don't support the current system
No, no, but in it today in today's world, if you were to go vegan, you'd be causing less
harm to plants
So why don't you
Because I told you it's quite hard for me to do. So because I
cut over to cook vegan, and I was losing a lot of weight and
I need to eat
You can choose not to exploit animals. You can do a whole lot you can cease not to exploit trees. Do you use trees?
Sorry, yeah, yeah
So why why are you telling me not to use trees if you want you can stop using them yourself?
So because I'm saying like you don't even you say don't you don't even consider you don't even consider the idea that trees
No, but that's because they haven't got a I'm got a central nervous system or a brain you mentioned killing and all sacredly
What would that look like?
Exactly. Like what would be a practical way to sacredly kill an animal? I've never actually killed another one myself
but like in example the tree it's like yeah, I still reuse tree products, but I like to spend the moment just like
You know just to touch it and just actually you set an intention. You're like why I'm taking it and to thank it
Okay, and then do it how would you say could you kill an animal would you use a knife across the throats? I?
Think it's also much the process of actually killing. I mean obviously the best thing to do to
Humanely is just like, you know quickly. It's possible
I have known it's all about being the process by which you do it and to let properly give thanks for that thing
Do you think it makes a difference to the animal whether were?
Thankful or not. Do you think it matters to them when they're being killed are necessarily?
Difficult question to answer isn't it instead of saying like you can never do this and you're a bad person if you do it's like
Maybe just have a bit more intention. I'm not calling you a bad person
I've never called anyone a bad person for consuming animal products. So that was contingent on products for most of my life
you also can't like name the difference between like a
Fetus you can kill a fetus you can't sentence. How's that even measured in the fetus?
Well, they all they do they do measure it in fetuses. They can beside the scientific ways
They can see a bit Peters flinching just send stimulate
But anyway always been going a while
I my last question would be to you if you could live a life where you're doing your best
Either not to harm humans not to harm animals or not to harm it either
Which would be more in line with your own morals
again, so
There's three options
You're already doing your best not to harm humans, you know exploit humans for any reason purposefully. No bollocks
Every you exploit humans at the time they go I think humans you exploit. It's like wet get the clothes away
Like have you thought through all the humans that are exploited to do every single aspect of your life?
How dare you even say that you're like somehow morally Rhino? I'm not and I wasn't talking about myself now
I'm talking about you how many humans have you exploited all the time for every little bit of things you for your vegan food waiting
Your vegan food comes from so mister. I'm so high and mighty. I'm not saying I'm not saying my high and mighty
Why is that? I'm so good. When if I said that what about knowingly exploiting? Yes, you do every fucking day
Yeah, yeah
I'm just I'm just not giving him with the zealous veganism. So
He's actually not better than other people who've never I would say that he is whenever and wherever I ever said I'm better than other
People how many species are going extinct every day because of your coconut milk just so easy animal
It's just like um performative virtues signaling. I am better than you. I've never done anything. Yes, you are
I haven't you're just extremely I'm literally trained in my job to argue with people and so I actually was able to bat you're slightly
Simplistic childish and often unthought through questions back to you as you've seen and actually throw it straight back onto you