what's your well-being like how are you
doing what is it you're fishing for I'm
not fishing for anything but I do want
to focus on the lasting effects of
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GMO where appropriate we will bring
terrorists to Justice in our courts and
our military justice system as President
Obama continues to talk about Guantanamo
Bay the of the controversial facility
continues to reverberate around the
world and it's not just atanes that have
been affected by their time at
GMO we traveled to Phoenix Arizona to
meet up with Terry hbrooks he's a former
Guantanamo guard who says his time there
changed him
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completely when you walk into Camp Delta
the first thing that will hit you that
will overpower you and stop you in your
tracks is the smell of Camp Delta you
have 7 80 men from 46 different
countries all around the world that are
sweating upon their sweat upon their
sweat cooking and metal cages 24 hours a
day it's hard to believe this is the
same guy who's a guarded gimo something
very extreme must have happened there
for him to now be leading a lecture at
Mid in the middle of Phoenix Arizona I
decided you know if I've got all the
freedom in the world and I'm miserable
and these guys are going to die in a
cage and they believe that God cares
about them maybe I should learn about
Islam since Terry was honorably
discharged in October 2005 he's received
a degree from Arizona State University
in sociology written a book and has
become a public voice in the movement to
close GMO we have to be out there we
have to be vigilant why don't more
Muslims condemn terrorism why don't we
actively speak about how that is wrong
why don't we actively speak about how
this is not Islam I think it's because
many Muslims don't necessarily
understand that they have the power to
do that that they're capable of doing
that I think they're afraid you have the
right to freedom of speech you have the
right right to assembly use
it I sat down with Terry to see what led
to his dramatic change from prison guard
to anti- Guantanamo
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activist what was your training like
before you went to guanto less than
adequate unfortunately uh we trained in
Fort Dix New Jersey which doesn't have a
correctional facility so we used the
manual for Fort Knox which holds money
so they trained me real well how to
guard money not people
I think anytime that there was three
soldiers or more gathered together
somebody in our chain of command was
telling us you know do not be complacent
in Guantanamo so worst of the worst it's
the Taliban it's Al-Qaeda they will kill
you in a split second they hate you they
hate Freedom we heard this every day day
and and day out over and over and over
our commander had arranged for us to go
and visit Ground Zero on our way to
Guantanamo so we're walking around the
rubble and we're seeing the pictures and
the candles and he gets us together and
he tells us you when we get down to
Guantanamo men remember the 3,000 lives
that we lost here when we get to
Guantanamo remember what Islam did to us
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here looking back on it it was just good
programming how would you describe the
other guards what were their
personalities we had some guards that
genuinely believed the propaganda they
were told and and wanted to abuse the
detainees and harm them we had some
guards that thought that it was best to
just kill all the detainees they were
getting upset about the fact that we
even had detainees you know just just
kill them why are we wasting our money
on this and then we had those that you
know you could look at them you could
tell they were Eagle Scouts they were
just taking the mission seriously they
did their job seriously bu the book what
is the worst that you saw did you see
any Force feeding any interrogation
guards using detain heads to open doors
guards stepping on dtin hands and feet
and breaking bones putting their heads
in the toilet it was it was awful there
was a lot of horrible things that I saw
down
there
Terry brought us to his local gun range
where he goes about three times a month
aside from being a strong advocate of
the Second Amendment Elena and I both
feel that it's smart to have a firearm
in a home to protect
yourself Terry says his speaking out
about gitmo has led to numerous death
threats is there any part of you that
feels I should have a gun at my house
because people have made death threats
that's a very serious thing now i s
sinly don't think that there's anybody
out there who would be willing to go
through with what they've claimed that
they want to do many people hide behind
their keyboard they feel safe behind
their keyboard but when if you were
confront them in real life all that
false sense of security in testosterone
dissipates quite
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quickly did I hit anything I don't
believe
so what's your well-being like how are
you
doing what is it you're fishing for I'm
not fishing for anything but I do want
to focus on the lasting effects of
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GMO everybody who goes to Guantanamo
essentially loses guards detainees
interrogators linguists everybody nobody
leaves there a winner nobody leaves
there happy at what point do you move
past those side effects or do you ever I
don't know when you ever do I don't know
if you ever
do I'm going to shoot now
okay
as president I have tried to close Gall
I transferred 67 detes to other
countries before Congress imposed
restrictions to effectively prevent us
from either transferring detainees to
other countries or imprisoning them here
in the United
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States these restrictions make no sense
what is the Legacy that America leaves
behind with this operation uh we
succumbed to our fears um and in doing
so restrict restricted Liberty um in a
fundamental way in the same way that we
did during World War II when we opened
up interment camps for Japanese
Americans unfortunately it's a pattern
that repeats itself and I suspect uh
always will um and so we have to learn
to live with it and learn from it um and
uh and try not to repeat
it I spent the last 5 years of my life
talking about Guantanamo and it feels as
if it is a fruitless endeavor
despite all the efforts that are made by
the numerous
organizations all the facts and
statistics that point to it being a
mistake upon our part it just seems to
be amounting to
nothing I don't think anybody ever
imagined that the United States would
have a secret prison like this and and
would be torturing people and holding
people indefinitely and everything that
makes this country America we're we're
not exemplifying it in Guantanamo I
don't think anybody ever visioned that
that would be something that would be a
reality
it looks like we're embarking upon a
very dark
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future Library they got music books and
DVD the Campo I see and all the
leadership we're here for the
guard
my do you know your speculation I simply
have the number that's what I can
provide but again it's it's not it's not
something that is done they they get mad
at you whenever you uphold that standard
you like your job oh I love my
job that is same when I keep the request
okay so show me how yeah just a lay pop
see oh you looks like a from Navy yeah
thank
you
okay