OF
OF THE
OF THE TRIAL IN OUR NEXT HALF HOUR.
HOUR.
HOUR. >>
HOUR. >> THE EVENTS OF THE TRIAL AND
EVERYTHING THAT LED UP TO IT
WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY.
THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD WAS A
CATALYST IN THE BLACK LIVES
MATTER MOVEMENT.
MATTER MOVEMENT. TO GET CONTEXT ON THE HEADNOTE
-- HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE I'M
JOINED BY AN ATTORNEY, POLITICAL
ANALYST, AND PRESIDENT AND CEO
OF THE BERNARD CENTER FOR WOMEN
AND PUBLIC POLICY, MICHELLE
BERNARD.
BERNARD.
BERNARD. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
SHELL: GOOD MORNING.
TONY: THE VERDICT CAME DOWN
AFTER ABOUT 11 HOURS OF
DELIBERATION.
DELIBERATION. WERE YOU SURPRISED AT THE
RELATIVE SWIFTNESS OF THE
VERDICT?
VERDICT?
VERDICT? MICHELLE: I WAS NOT SURPRISED, I
WAS ON PINS AND NEEDLES HOPING
THE VERDICT WOULD COME IN SOONER
RATHER THAN LATER.
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS WILL TELL
YOU QUITE OFTEN THAT THE LONGER
THE JURY IS DELIBERATING THE
LESS PROMISING THE VERDICT WILL
BE FOR THE PROSECUTION.
IN OUR 10 I STARTED GETTING VERY
NERVOUS.
NERVOUS.
NERVOUS. WHEN WE KNEW THE VERDICT WAS IN
AT ABOUT HOUR 11 OR OVER 12 I
THOUGHT THAT WE WERE DEFINITELY
GOING TO GET A GUILTY CHARGE ON
ALL THREE CHARGES.
TONY: THERE'S A LOT OF WEIGHT ON
THIS TRIAL AND NOW ON THE
VERDICT AS WELL.
IS THIS POTENTIALLY A TURNING
POINT IN THESE TYPES OF CASES OR
WAS IT JUST THAT THE EVIDENCE
WAS SO OVERWHELMING IN THIS
CASE?
CASE?
CASE? MICHELLE: I THINK IT'S A
COMBINATION OF THE TWO THINGS
YOU MENTIONED.
YOU MENTIONED. WE HAVE NOT SEEN IN THE STATE OF
MINNESOTA A WHITE POLICE OFFICER
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IN THAT SENSE IT'S A HISTORICAL
CHANGE THAT WE HAVE SEEN.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT IS GOING
TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, ARE
PEOPLE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE THE
TYPE OF EVIDENCE THAT WE SAW IN
THIS MURDER TRIAL IN ORDER TO
CONVICT WHEN POLICE OFFICERS
WRONGLY TAKE THE LIVES OF BLACK
BOYS AND BLACK MEN?
THAT'S A BIG QUESTION ALL OF US
ARE HAVING.
ARE HAVING. YESTERDAY WAS A STARTING POINT
AND A VERY HISTORICAL AND
IMPORTANT STARTING POINT.
TONY: OBVIOUSLY THE VIDEO OF
GEORGE FLOYD BEING KILLED WAS
HUGELY SIGNIFICANT.
HUGELY SIGNIFICANT. HAVE SIGNIFICANT WAS IT THAT
OTHER POLICE OFFICERS AGAINST
DEREK CHAUVIN?
DEREK CHAUVIN? MICHELLE: THAT IS SOMETHING I
DID NOT EXPECT.
I WAS PLEASANTLY ASKED -- I WAS
PLEASANTLY SURPRISED.
PLEASANTLY SURPRISED. I EXPECTED OFFICERS TO NOT
TESTIFY AGAINST HIM.
KUDOS TO ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS
WHO TESTIFIED AGAINST DEREK
CHAUVIN IN THIS TRIAL.
WE ALWAYS HEAR THE BLUE LIVES
MATTER, BUT BLACK LIVES MATTER
AND IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE
NATION TO SEE THAT THERE ARE
POLICE OFFICERS THAT TRULY
BELIEVE THAT BLACK LIVES
ABSOLUTELY MATTER.
ABSOLUTELY MATTER. I THANK THEM AND CONGRATULATE
THEM FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT
CAN GIVE THE BLACK COMMUNITY
SOME FEELING OF SAFETY, AND
MIGHT BE AFOOT SMALL FEELING OF
SAFETY BUT IT CAN GIVE YOU A
SENSE THAT THERE ARE POLICE
OFFICERS OUT THERE THAT WILL DO
THE RIGHT THING AND THAT ALL
POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT WHAT WE
SAW IN DEREK CHAUVIN AND THE
THREE OFFICERS CHARGED -- TRIED
OVER THE SUMMER FOR THE DEATH OF
GEORGE FLOYD.
GEORGE FLOYD. >> ONE LAST QUESTION.
HOW WILL THE JUDGE DECIDE
SENTENCING?
SENTENCING? WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN MANY CASES
IN MINNESOTA THOSE THAT ARE
CONVICTED --
CONVICTED -- HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT SHOWMEN
WILL DO SIGNIFICANT TIME?
>> I THINK YOU WILL DO TIME ON
THE FIRST CHARGE.
I THINK IT'S A POSSIBILITY OF 40
YEARS IN PRISON, FIRST CHARGE
10.
10.
10. EVEN
10. EVEN IF THE JUDGE GIVES THEM A
HALF OR THIRD OF WHAT IS
POSSIBLE, THAT'S A LIFETIME IN
PRISON.
PRISON.
PRISON. I
PRISON. I THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY
THAT DEREK CHAUVIN IS GOING TO
SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY BEFORE HE
IS A VERY OLD MAN.
IF THE LAW AND MINNESOTA HAD
BEEN A LITTLE DIFFERENT THEY
COULD HAVE CHARGED HIM WITH
INTENTIONAL MURDER OF GEORGE
FLOYD I THINK HE WOULD'VE GOTTEN
EVEN MORE TIME.
THAT CHARGE WAS NOT POSSIBLE IN
THE STATE OF MINNESOTA FROM THE
PROSECUTION.
PROSECUTION. THE JUDGE IS GOING TO HAVE TO
ABIDE BY WHAT THE PROSECUTORS
TOLD THE WORLD IN THEIR CLOSING
STATEMENT.
STATEMENT. LISTEN TO WHAT YOU HEARD, LOOK
AT WHAT YOU SAW.
THE BARBARITY WITH WHICH SHOW
BEEN KILLED GEORGE FLOYD IS
SOMETHING THE JUDGES GOING TO
ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO TAKE INTO
CONSIDERATION WHEN HE SENT IN
HIS HIP.
HIS HIP.
HIS HIP. I DON'T SEE DEREK CHAUVIN
LEAVING PRISON BEFORE HE IS AT
LEAST 70 TO 80 YEARS OLD.
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