Our man Vinny Goodwill
Kyrie Irving. The gift that keeps on giving Kyrie Irving,
is daring the Nets. Let him Test free agency. The gamble
could cost him
Kevin Durant, maybe his last friend left, I think at this
point,
That may not be a pretty strong
Vinnie. What is, you know, I read Vinnie's calms, so great
and and all I could think of was the scene in Barbershop
were Terry's, man. Is like,
I could do better.
You not even that fine? Like, I'm like,
alright, then he found out, right? Like, at
some point Kyrie's gonna find out, right?
There's this phrase that we like to use in the community
called f around and find out. Kyrie is kind of in that middle
spot between cause and effect right now. You know what
I mean? Like this is
guys, this is so odd.
If, when we think about it, Kyrie Irving part-time player
wants full-time pay. We all want that, right? But we can't
actually get it. Yeah, actually have to show up and commit and
everything else, you know, that's
like adult conversations that you have with like-minded
adults, and Kyrie is running out. Out of places to go, I'll
give you guys what I think is a Perfect Analogy.
Terrell Owens. I don't think was done
when the NFL was done with him but so much damage had been
done. He had wrecked you know so many locker rooms were
the by principle about choice or whatever it was that he
literally had no other place to go. I think it was his last
year in Buffalo and he was still
relatively productive receiver. I think he had the injury and
then came back and nobody wanted them. I thought that's
going to be Kyrie Irving in a little while. Like the small
picture is Kyrie Irving trying to opt out maybe
go to l.a. play for the
clay pay for the
Pay a mid-level six million dollars and it commits long
time after that. But Kyrie is going to be 31 years old, like
there's not many more places to go. There's not many more
situations that he can go and blame all these other.
You know, special circumstances
and it's going to come to a point where someone's going to
say you're not worth the trouble, the Brooklyn Nets,
the team with no identity on the NBA map. It's saying you're not
worth the trouble. They're the second team in the city with
the New York Knicks. Do you know how bad
you have to be with an identity?
With the New York Knicks is the be behind them
and they're saying, Kyrie Irving isn't worth the trouble.
How many more teams are going to say Kyrie Irving is I'm not
sure if there's any
you know of any I'm curious why am I wrong?
What why do you think Kyrie?
He has to understand all of this, right?
I'm here. Are you suggesting self-awareness? Is that what
you're suggesting? Jim products self-awareness,
is
there? None there.
No, I think sometimes Kyrie depending on the day, can be
a coherent human being, and he can understand the world going
on around him.
He can mean, well, he can understand the circumstances
but, you know, we live in a world especially with
Athletics, exceptions are always made for exceptional
people, and he thinks that he is the exception
to the rule. He thought he was the exception to the rule with
the New York vaccine mandate and he wound up winning in that
in a way. You know, because they relented and
Actually mandate was lifted and before that, the Nephilim, come
back and play Road games on the completely unnatural, you know,
situation. So whenever Kyrie has
has barked, he's gotten what he's wanted. The thing is,
nobody looked at it and said, man, that Cleveland really get
bad when he left. No, they went to the finals. The next year,
the
Boston, really get bad. When he left. No. A couple years later,
they went back to the NBA finals after he left after he
left. So nobody's actually done the math and done the calculus.
List that even if you lose Kyrie it doesn't mean that
you're in such a situation that's not advantageous for
you. Moving forward and Kyrie hasn't had the self-evaluation
to say, hey, I can't keep doing this. I can't keep crying wolf
and at some point, someone's not going to be able to have
the
appetite to take me. I don't Jim. I don't think he has
a self-awareness, not me aggregate. Maybe for an hour at
a time. But as far as seven days out of the week, 24/7.
Nah, you don't have it.
See, I gotta Wonder like, one of my boys, a huge Lakers fan
right and your clippers, you here, Nick's. You know, I've
heard a read you, you know, obviously, these are
teams in the mix. Everybody keeps talking about the Lakers
and my guys, like,
oh, get him and LeBron back together.
You know, it's like Ben and Jennifer Getting Back Together.
They've gone through their stuff and now they're in a good
place. I'm like guys like Bobby and Whitney like I don't think
this is like they're neither is really in a great.
Place at this stage. Like
I mean,
what like why would, why would LeBron? Why understand to me?
It's almost like you have nothing left. Like this is it
like this is the last kind of play the last sort of grass my
wrong to think that it's a suggestion that LeBron really
has no outs
and it's two people really have no outs at this point other
than to try to find that magic to 2016. Again,
I mean, there's a song that Michael Smith loves on this
show and I hate the song. Ang and I'm going to bring it up
because I feel like there's no better way to signify this
marriage between Kyrie and LeBron
We Ain't Gettin no younger
might as well do it.
That's what I feel. Like
both of those guys
are at LeBron is stuck with Russell Westbrook, who
can't play anymore
and he stuck with Anthony Davis
who can't get on the floor.
So yeah, he's kind of stuck with two guys. Making 40 plus
million dollars, the Lakers don't have the options noted as
the front office have the creativity.
Be in the connections to actually
augment what LeBron is bringing on the floor. So,
yeah. LeBron why not try that old thing back. And if you're
Kyrie, your greatest individual success came. When you were in
Lebron Shadow
and a couple years later after you acted a fool and get out of
there, you head regrets and say, you know what, maybe
I will be in LA with LeBron right now because that was the best
situation for me. And you know what LeBron is probably not
going to say no. You think he'd rather play with
Russell Westbrook
or Kyrie Irving, provide a car Reserving actually shows up to
work, you know, me, but there's a little thing called
attendance that we kind of overlooked
but that's a big thing. Like you just said, you got one guy
who can't stay on the floor health. And you got another guy
then who you don't know, if he wants to be on the floor will
show. I'm so, so Brian May find himself out there all alone.
Again, that's why this thing doesn't work for me.
But see Jim you're using
your using like human calculus. You are using logic. Right now,
like this is completely illogical. This is like a narc.
This is almost like Dark Knight where the Joker literally set
money on fire
and then he went and set the hospital on fire in the button
wasn't working and then all of a sudden the hospital went on
fire jumping out
of this is what all of this feels like. This is the NBA
now, it is fantasy basketball. It is franchise mode and it is,
let's just see if this will work because golden state is
a monster and Milwaukee is a monster and you're not going to
get
results unless you try something different because
team-building only works for those two. Everything else
seems to be a y'all? Listen, we can get on the group chat to
make this work because trust in GM's,
that's
that's uncivilized
close it, I got it, I got it. Wait, I gotta take you here for
one second because Charles and I were on the phone earlier
this morning.
Okay, we got, you're going to bring it up, all right? We got
to talking about Golden State, and I grew up in the Bay Area,
born a saint Cisco. Used to sit
in the five dollar seats about at the Oakland Coliseum Arena.
At that time. Tell my man, Charles that the warrior is,
might be even better next year than they were this year.
Yeah, because of a guy named James Weisman,
thank you very, very rarely charge. Do you have a champion
with a top-level pick? That's just sitting and waiting.
Oh yeah, I remember
the Los Angeles. Lakers had a guy named James Worthy
in 82, and all of a sudden that became will be seen.
As modern-day Showtime, you swap out some of the old
pieces, you get some young pieces in there and that train
keeps on rolling. Why? Because magic and stuff,
and all those stuff is older than what magic was at that time.
You're going to have a Klay Thompson, who's healthier
than he was this year. He's going to know his body a little
bit better. And all those young guys that they had that you can
only depend on for so much, they have the experience now
and they're going to be able to get a little bit better
while Golden State shockingly want to title this year.
This was not supposed to
Title, your Golden State they want it and now they're going
to be better next year was supposed to be the year and
actually next year is going to be the repeat year.
See? And I'll ask you, what I asked Jim okay. Is it possible
that Wiggins
we see what happens in the finals and it's not like we can,
I mean he's a good player, right? Good player coming in
the finals, people know what he is, you know, what is games
about? But I kind of felt like watching that series unfold.
I'm like, man, going to next season. You have the big three
and then I feel like you got a fourth guy that maybe now they
know they can trust at times where maybe, if everything's
not going perfect
with one of the big three or two of The Big Three
you actually have
Fourth guy now can be for who showed in the finals. Hey,
I can pick up, I can step in and do certain things, certain
parts of games that need to be taken over at times,
I can be there for you. Am I wrong in thinking that maybe,
that finals? Experience becomes a pivot point for Andrew
Wiggins a little bit?
No you're not wrong at all. I think it's I think it's similar
to something like this. If you need Andrew Wiggins to be your
second best player, your best player, 80 to 95 a year, you're
going to be disappointed,
right? But if you need Him to be
your second best player on a given night
because the defense is shifted towards clay. The defense has
shifted towards Jordan pool. The defense is shifted towards
James Weisman assuming that he was out there and healthy and
productive.
Oh, I can eat off these scrap. I can
eat this way because I'm that talented. And gifted that I can
step into this role on a nightly basis, even, even if
it's not just every night, but, uh, night
absolutely. It's going to be
an inflection point for him and for whatever reason
get into the Finals and getting that experience can becoming
a champion not just going through it but just becoming a champion
gives you a level of competitive. Arrogant
that no situation is too big.
You're not going to panic
and sometimes guys you take a win away from a team before
they even step through the door. They are intimidated by
the fact that you one last June and now you're standing across
from Andrew Wiggins
Championship guy
who defended Jason Tatum
and now basically he's mentally psyched out before even playing
Andrew Wiggins and Wiggins can go to a 25.9. So, yeah, I do
think it can be an inflection point based off of what that
title does
to other people.
I'm gonna say this to you Benny those as a lifelong Warriors
fan, that which I admit to being
Memphis it, Memphis angle, be no pushover next year,
and I would have been fascinated to see how that
Series played out if John Moran had not gotten hurt. So all
this talk going back and forth right now between the,
you know, Draymond and
Jackson. And, and the boys over there,
it's going to be a fascinating year. And next year to see
those two going at it, would you agree that Memphis is
the biggest threat?
Absolutely. I think it's like the old school NBA that I grew
up watching or that, that was mythologize to me. It was
Detroit, chasing Boston for years and years, and finally
catching them out for years of heartbreak.
And then while that was happening, Michael Jordan was
chasing the Detroit Pistons. And after years and years of
heartbreak catching up. That's what the Memphis Grizzlies look
like.
They don't care that the Golden State Warriors were three-time
champions for time. Champions the names on the front of
the jerseys or the back, they literally
Care less about the pedigree, all they wanted was a shot in
between those four lines. And yeah, they played immature
during that series, and with John Moran, being hurt. That
can, you can kind of see how that series was going to play
it and I was
at that series and watch this sort of developing take shape,
one's Diamond rank got hurt. But now, when you have that
experience as a young team and the game is no longer too big
for you and you look across the way and it's like that scene
in Rocky. Ford where Drago cut? He's like she, he's a man, he
bleep. Leeds. He plead be like, yeah. They they do believe.
We can beat them.
And I think even if they don't beat them next year, they're
going to inch closer and closer
as the Golden State experience becomes age
and the Memphis is youth becomes experience
and you're going to meet and cross. And I think man if we
get a seven-game series that next year, you know just just
don't leave me on the streets of Memphis by myself at night.
Other than that, I'll be happy to see
it from a basketball standpoint.
Speaking of bleeding, I'm glad you brought a bleeding because
I'm a Detroit Pistons fan my entire life. I'm ready for
the bleeding to stop. It's exciting to come out of a draft. See how
excited people are.
I was happy that to see IV fall 25
picking up during and the trade, that's great.
But now I'm wondering like
what's going to happen with DeAndre eating, right? Like it's not
I have to presume Detroit is
probably going to sit there and oh well, we can add pieces
here and there rather than doing a Max Level deal
with 8 and am I wrong.
And what Happens with eight now.
I believe that aten could be used as a piece in a much
bigger tray involving a bigger name than himself.
I'll just like this.
I decided to leave that out there and let you guys sort of
connect the come on,
but I like him a lot. I think he's,
you know, in the league that sort of going away from sighs,
he Pin that all three levels he can post up, he can play pick
and roll. Yeah, that finished with Phoenix was
ugly, but I don't think you'll have a shortage of team
who don't have bigs
ready and able. I do think Charles with the trade getting
during in the draft that lessens their appetite to go
and pay someone at that position premium dollars but
I don't think they'll be
a lack of interest. I'm saying put it like this as someone who
covered the Pistons
when they were bad.
I would I would have quit them. I will say. Say,
considering I'm talking to football, guys.
July 27 1953,
Detroit Lions, never to return again and I still have my hair,
and that's why
that is exactly why my dad, okay? I'll tell you, he didn't
quit.
Listen.
All right, so with Aiden's going in a deal, if that could
potentially happen. You're saying he's not the best player
involved in the trade. That's what you're telling us.
I'm saying from if you can read the tea leaves, if you need
someone to be used in a bigger trade and they sign and trade,
maybe he can be used as bait.
Okay. I got an idea.
Okay,
Jim come on, like release roll it out and let's judge
the reaction. Not I'm waiting on her but I got
How real is a possibility
percentages on it
that both Kyrie
and KD
are not in Brooklyn next year?
Oh, I like this. That is so contingent only on Kyrie
calling the bluff of the Brooklyn Nets and giving up 30
million dollars, right?
I feel like at this stage that
that relationship has been fragmented beyond
return, but it's Kylie's only thing in that.
Right? If Brooklyn doesn't get anything back of reasonable
substitute for Kyrie Irving, entire just walked and it's no
sign and trade you have to out of his contract and you need
Kevin Durant with Ben Simmons. Don't know if he's going to
play
and all the rest of those old guys,
I don't know if Kevin Durant would be long for that
situation so I would say as of today,
5545, they're gone.
I think it Kyrie's gone. Kevin's gone,
I'm with you
with Kyrie. Anything can happen. They can turn around
tomorrow and he'll say, you know what, I'll sign the short
deal, I'll figure it out,
you know, he'll be like that long-lost cousin that comes
around. And he's like, you know what, man, I have turned my
life around and there 20 minutes after that life. Hey
man, you got $20.
Bronte mid. Well
yeah, for Katie to say I'm staying out of it.
After not staying out any other situation. Be small Islands.
And the biomechanical always silence is deafening.
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