the elevator of her Hollywood
apartment, with the man police
believe would become her killer.
Fellow actor, spots, about to
depart on a road trip.
>> "Rolling stone" writer Neil
strass and private investigators
investigate this in the podcast
"To live or die."
>> The podcast continues to
dominate the charts.
Thank you for joining us.
The case, we were talking about
it on the commercial break.
>> Whirling about it.
>> How did you two partner up as
a writer and investigator?
>> We were working on another
case a couple years ago, missing
persons case, and became
friends.
When this case came up, I
reached out to him to get
insights into a couple things.
Thought originally he'd be able
to help to get the word out with
regard to some of the elements
of this case.
Just the case continued to get
more and more interesting.
You know, we just started
working closely on it.
>> We saw images of shibani
there.
Who do you believe killed her,
and why?
>> In the background, she was a
25-year-old from Macedonia.
Moved here, like many people,
with the dream of making it big.
She went to an acting academy
and, there, she met another
student, Chris spots.
They started dating.
The problem is, he had a fiance.
So he committed a lot of things
to her, promises he couldn't
keep, getting married, moving in
together.
At some point, rather than keep
the promises, drove her up north
and apparently -- I can't even
finish the sentence.
>> Killed her.
Then twists and turns in this.
What happened to Chris?
>> Yeah.
What happened with Chris is --
and, by the way, part of the
podcast is we don't believe
everything alone on this.
>> Chris' father?
>> We think that -- well, we
know that after the fact, at the
very least, Chris' father had
information that was withheld
from the family, everyone
searching for her.
Tips coming through the podcast
point to more.
>> You guys actually used Google
at one point to help you solve
and get some of these clues, is
that right?
>> Yeah.
This is unbelievable.
Most people's Google is tracking
their every move to the minute.
We went to his account.
>> Google on your phone.
>> Right.
>> You can -- if you go -- I
hate to give it away bu.
Myactivity.google.com, even if
you clear your browser, all the
movements down to the minute.
We could see Chris spots
afterward going to a gas
station, then going behind the
gas station to the dumpsters,
possibly throwing away things of
hers, then back to his truck.
That detail, to where we
actually solved a lot of this.
>> Having that information on
Google, is that legal, to have
that storage information?
>> That access.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, Google is in the
business of collecting and
really selling and using user
data.
So this type of granular gps is,
that's their business model.
So when you, you know, subscribe
to Google services, when you get
that android phone, you add
Google maps app, you're allowing
them to access that data.
>> Scary.
>> You can turn it off.
My activity.google.com/location
history, you can turn it off.
I kept my on.
I wanted to know where I was a
week ago and what I was doing.
>> As far as the case goes,
Chris' father has never been
charged.
Has he reached out to y'all?
Has anybody heard from him?
>> Was it even scary to find
that kind of information that
would point to him?
>> The nice thing about doing
the podcast is if there is
information pointing to anyone
who is a suspect, it is pretty
obvious, right?
The nice thing, the information
is out there, and there is no
reason to harm me because all
the information is out there.
Right before the last episode
came out, Chris spots' father
did call.
We talked for long time.
He said, why are you doing this
to me?
It is hurting me and the people
I love.
I just thought, well, what about
shibani and the people she
loved, and whatever it was when
the family was saying, please,
we want to find our daughter,
and they're going through the
pain of not letting them know
where she was.
>> How did the police work with
y'all?
>> In this case, I mean, we
pretty much ran a parallel
investigation.
I'm working with a third family,
and I'm learning that if
somebody goes missing, and you
want to have the police do
everything, if you have the LAPD
website, 3,900 people go missing
a year.
Most come back voluntarily.
If you don't find them, we'll
take a report.
If you still don't find them,
they literally hire a private
investigator.
If you can't afford it, go to
the Salvation Army.
What they're telling you is, we
don't have the resources.
>> And because we can't prove
that it is the homicide, we
can't put all the resources
there, even if we do have them.
It is important to make sure
that, for example, a simple
thing can help one person.
Before giving the police the
phone, make a clone of it.
>> I can't wait to see what your