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>> Jimmy: WHAT'S GOIN' ON?
>> AH.
>> Jimmy: YOU HAVE A VERY VARIED
CAREER, YOU REALLY DO.
DID YOU IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE
THE CASE WHEN YOU WENT TO LAW
SCHOOL?
>> NO.
>> Jimmy: YOU DID NOT?
>> NO, I THOUGHT I WOULD
PROBABLY BE A LAWYER AND BE
MISERABLE.
>> Jimmy: AND THEY LOOKED AT YOU
AND SAID THIS GUY IS TOO
HANDSOME TO JUST BE A LAWYER, WE
MUST GET HIM INVOLVED IN OTHER
THINGS.
>> OH, NO.
HE BEGGED AND PLEADED, WORKED AT
A STATION WHERE I STARTED AS A
PRODUCTION ASSISTANT, EVEN
THOUGH I HAD A LAW DEGREE AND
COULD HAVE GONE TO A LAW FIRM
AND JUST WENT FROM THERE.
>> Jimmy: IS YOUR FAMILY
SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IDEA?
>> YEAH.
SORT OF CAUTIOUSLY SUPPORTIVE.
I MEAN, THEY WERE CONCERNED.
THEY THOUGHT OH, YOU KNOW, OUR
BOY'S A LAWYER!
ISN'T THAT GREAT?
AND NOW HE'S GOING INTO TV.
>> Jimmy: YEAH.
>> AND THAT'S NOT SO GREAT.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, THEY SUPPORTED
IT.
>> Jimmy: SO THIS BOOK.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BOOK.
THIS IS A TRIAL FROM 1770,
SHORTLY AFTER THE BOSTON
MASSACRE, WHICH IS SOMETHING TO
ME, THE LAKERS/CELTICS GAME.
I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE ACTUAL
BOSTON MASSACRE.
EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED.
>> THIS IS AN INCIDENT THAT
ALMOST LED TO THE AMERICAN
REVOLUTION BEFORE THE
REVOLUTION.
THERE WERE FIVE COLONISTS SHOT
AND KILLED BY BRITISH SOLDIERS
WHO WERE THERE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF TENSION GOING
ON.
THE COLONISTS DIDN'T WANT THE
BRITISH SOLDIERS THERE.
THIS WAS THAT MOMENT THAT ALMOST
LED TO THE BIG FIGHT.
WHY DIDN'T IT HAPPEN?
BECAUSE OF THIS TRIAL.
BECAUSE THE RULE OF LAW
PREVAILED.
AND YOU HAD THIS CASE WHERE WE
HAVE A TRANSCRIPT.
I MEAN, FROM 1770, WITH JOHN
ADAMS, REPRESENTING THE BRITISH
SOLDIERS.
REMEMBER, THIS IS A PATRIOT,
SOMEONE WHO DESPISED IN MANY
WAYS THE BRITISH SOLDIERS AND
BRITISH, BUT FELT THEY WERE
ENTITLED TO A LEGAL DEFENSE, AND
HE LED THE DEFENSE TEAM IN A
FASCINATING CASE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S SO
AMAZING TO ME IS BEING ABLE TO
SEE JOHN ADAMS IN HIS OWN WORDS.
IT WASN'T A SPEECH, WASN'T
PREPARED.
IT'S JUST ADAMS IN COURT,
DEFENDING THESE SOLDIERS.
>> Jimmy: WHEN YOU SAY A
TRANSCRIPT, THIS IS A GUY
DIPPING AND WRITING AS FAST AS
HE CAN?
>> AND HIS HAND GOT SO TIRED AT
ONE POINT BY THE END OF THE CASE
THAT HE HAD TO STOP AND ASK THE
PROSECUTION TO COME AND TELL HIM
WHAT THEY HAD SAID AGAIN.
>> Jimmy: REALLY?
>> SO HE COULD REWRITE IT.
BECAUSE BY THE END, BY THE
CLOSING ARGUMENTS, HIS HAND WAS
SO WORN OUT.
ALSO THEY HADN'T REALLY
PERFECTED SHORTHAND OR ANY OF
THE THINGS WE KNOW TODAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT I FOUND SO AMAZING
WAS BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT
217-PAGE TRANSCRIPT.
>> Jimmy: HAVE YOU SEEN THE
ACTUAL OR A COPY OF THE ACTUAL
TEXT?
>> A COPY OF IT BUT NOT THE
ACTUAL, I DIDN'T GET THE ACTUAL
TRANSCRIPT ITSELF.
BUT THE COPY OF IT, IT'S HAND
WRITTEN, AND IN THE BEGINNING OF
THE BOOK WE HAVE EXCERPTS FROM
THE ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT.
>> Jimmy: OBVIOUSLY, PEOPLE ARE
USED TO TRANSCRIPTS AT THE
TRIAL.
BUT AT THE HARVEY WEINSTEIN
TRIAL, THE GUY DRAWING PICTURING
OF HARVEY WEINSTEIN AND HIS
PRIVATE PARTS.
>> IN THAT CASE THERE WAS NO
CAMERA ALLOWED.
I THINK BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT IT WAS PROBABLY
FOR THE BEST IN MANY WAYS.
BUT YOU'D GET A SKETCH ARTIST
WHO COMES IN AND DRAWS PICTURES
OF WHAT'S HAPPENING INSIDE
COURT.
>> Jimmy: AS A LEGAL ANALYST, SO
HARVEY WEINSTEIN GOT CONVICTED
ON TWO OF THE FIVE CHARGES.
>> YEAH.
>> Jimmy: WERE YOU SURPRISED BY
THAT?
>> I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED BUT
NOT IN THE SAME WAY A LOT OF
PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED.
THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE
SAYING I CAN'T BELIEVE HE DIDN'T
GET CONVICTED OF ALL THE
CHARGES, WHAT HAPPENED?
I THINK PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING,
THEY'RE TREATING THIS AS IF ALL
THE VICTIMS WE'VE SEEN ON THE
COVERS OF MAGAZINES, ON THE
WEBSITES, THAT THIS WAS ABOUT
ALL OF THEM.
THIS WASN'T.
THIS WAS ABOUT TWO WOMEN, BOTH
OF WHOM HAD HAD RELATIONSHIPS
WITH HIM, EITHER FRIENDSHIP OR
INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH HEM
BEF
HIM, BEFORE OR AFTER THE
INCIDENT.
THIS MADE IT A TOUGH CASE.
THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO
GET CONVICTIONS ON BOTH OF THESE
WOMEN MAKES IT A GROUND BREAKING
CASE.
WHY, BECAUSE WE'RE FINALLY
UNDERSTANDING WHAT RAPE CAN BE.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A
SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE
IMMEDIATELY CALLS THE POLICE.
THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT
REACTIONS BY WOMEN.
AND AN EXPERT CAME IN FOR THE
PROSECUTION AND TALKED ABOUT
THIS.
AND THE FACT THAT THESE JURORS
WERE ABLE TO UNANIMOUSLY
CONVICT, DESPITE ISSUES THAT
MIGHT NOT HAVE PASSED TEN YEARS
AGO, I THINK IF THAT CASE HAD
BEEN BROUGHT TEN YEARS AGO THERE
WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AND
CONVICTION.
>> Jimmy: INTERESTING.
>> BUT PEOPLE NOW UNDERSTAND
BETTER THAT RAPE VICTIMS RESPOND
IN DIFFERENT WAYS, AND JUST
BECAUSE SOMEONE STAYED IN TOUCH
WITH HIM AFTER THE FACT DOES NOT
MEAN SHE WASN'T RAPED.
>> Jimmy: INTERESTING.
[ APPLAUSE ]
>> Jimmy: AND IN A WAY, JOHN
ADAMS TAKING THE POSITION OF
DEFENDING THOSE BRITISH SOLDIERS
IS SIMILAR IN SOME WAYS TO
HARVEY WEINSTEIN'S ATTORNEYS
DEFENDING HIM.
>> LOOK, HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS
ENTITLED TO A DEFENSE.
I DON'T BEGRUDGE HARVEY
WEINSTEIN'S ATTORNEYS FOR TAKING
THE CASE.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MADE
ARGUMENTS.
THE QUESTION BECOMES, THE
TOUGHER QUESTION IN SOME OF
THESE CASES, BECOMES WHEN THEY
GO AFTER THE VICTIMS AND HOW
HARD THEY GO AFTER THE VICTIMS,
CAN WE JUDGE THE LAWYERS IN
THOSE KINDS OF CASES?
AND IT'S A TRICKY QUESTION,
BECAUSE THE DEFENSE HAS TO BE,
YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE ACCUSER,
RIGHT?
THE DEFENSE IS, IT WAS EITHER
CONSENSUAL OR DIDN'T HAPPEN, ET
CETERA.
AND SO A DEFENSE ATTORNEY HAS TO
PRESENT A DEFENSE, BUT, THERE'S
ALSO, YOU KNOW, A PARTICULARLY
UGLY WAY TO DO IT.
THAT SOME ATTORNEYS DO IT.
>> Jimmy: MM-HM.
>> AND I THINK SOME OF THEM DO
CROSS THE LINE.
AND I THINK THEY DO DESERVE,
SOME OF THEM, CONDEMNATION.
>> Jimmy: I WANT TO CHANGE THE
SUBJECT VERY QUICKLY TO ""LIVE
PD.""
WAS THIS YOUR IDEA?
>> NO.
I WISH IT WAS.
>> Jimmy: I DON'T EVEN
UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAME TO BE.
HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN "LIVE PD"?
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
IT IS BASICALLY, IT'S VERY
SIMILAR TO "COPS", EXCEPT IT'S
LIVE, AND IT'S HAPPENING IN HOW
MANY CITIES AT ONCE?
>> WE'RE IN AT LEAST EIGHT
DEPARTMENTS AT ONCE, AND WE'RE
BOUNCING FROM DEPARTMENT TO
DEPARTMENT, BASED ON WHAT'S
HAPPENING, WHERE THERE'S
ACTIVITY, AND IT RANGES FROM
EVERYTHING FROM REALLY SERIOUS
CASES, SHOTS FIRED, DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE CASES TO MUCH LIGHTER.
I MEAN, THIS WEEKEND WE HAD A
GUY WHO WAS SPOTTED BUCK-NAKED
OUTSIDE OF SOMEONE'S HOME.
IT TURNS OUT HE'D BEEN FOOLING
AROUND WITH A WOMAN AND THE
BOYFRIEND CAME BACK.
AND HE RAN OUT, AND HE'S
BUCK-NAKED OUT THERE, AND MY
FAVORITE LINE WAS, WHEN THE
POLICE COME, AND HE SAID, WELL,
THEY DIDN'T TELL ME THAT HE WAS
GOING TO COME BACK.
AS IF THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU
THE HEADS UP, OH, YEAH, BY THE
WAY, THE BOYFRIEND'S COMING
BACK.
>> Jimmy: DO A BROTHER --
>> YEAH, EVERYONE'S OKAY IN THAT
SITUATION.
>> Jimmy: AND YOU GUYS, WHEN
THIS IS HAPPENING LIVE, ARE YOU
CELEBRATING, LIKE, OH, MY GOD,
BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE IF
SOMEONE CAME AND PITCHED THIS TO
ME, I'D SAY, WHAT IF NOTHING
HAPPENS ALL NIGHT?
>> THERE'S NEVER NOTHING
HAPPENING.
SOMETIMES IT'S JUST CARS BEING
PULLED OVER ON TRAFFIC STOPS.
>> Jimmy: THERE'S DRAMA THERE,
TOO.
>> YOU DOEDON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOI
HAPPEN NEXT.
UNLIKE "COPS", WHICH IS LIKE A
HIGHLIGHT REEL.
>> Jimmy: LET'S NOT DENIGRATE
COPS.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN
THEY COME FOR YOU.
>> THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE TIMES
WHEN "LIVE PD'S" BEEN OUT AND
YOU HEAR SOMEONE IN THE
BACKGROUND SINGING "THE COPS"
SHOW.
>> Jimmy: THAT IS SOMETHING
ELSE.
>> IT'S REALLY BEEN AN AMAZING
EXPERIENCE TO WATCH.
YOU REALLY DO GET TO SEE IF FROM
THE POLICE OFFICER'S
PERSPECTIVE.
YOU SEE MUCH MORE EVERY DAY WHAT
POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH.
IN THE NEWS BUSINESS WE COVER
OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, IT
USUALLY HAS AN OFFICER FIRES OR
AN OFFICER HAS BEEN HIT.
AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF POLICE
OFFICERS HAVE NEVER FIRED THEIR
WEAPONS, EVER.
AND THIS IS MORE THE DAY TO DAY
ASPECTS OF WHAT POLICE OFFICERS
DO EVERY DAY, AND THAT'S WHAT
THE SHOW REFLECTS.
SOMEHOW IT'S BECOME A BIG HIT.
>> Jimmy: A REASON FOR PEOPLE
NOT TO GO OUT ON THE WEEKENDS 318 00:08:44,157 --> 00:00:00,000 ANYMORE.