BA >>> GET OUT IN 2018 BECAUSE
YOU’RE VOTING FOR ME IN 2018.
YOU’RE VOTING FOR ME.
A VOTE FOR MARSHA IS REALLY A
VOTE FOR ME AND EVERYTHING THAT
WE STAND FOR.
IT’S A VOTE FOR MAKE AMERICA
GREAT AGAIN.
GREAT AGAIN. >> THE MIDTERMS ARE JUST ONE
WEEK AWAY.
WEEK AWAY. WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT ON
THE BALLOT, HE’S CERTAINLY
CAMPAIGNING LIKE HE IS.
OUR NEXT GUEST SAYS THAT WILL
PLAY A BIG ROLE AT THE POLLS.
JOINING US THE EDITOR OF THE NEW
YORKER MAGAZINE DAVID REMNICK
WHO ARGUED IN A NEW PIECE IN
THIS WEEK’S ISSUE THAT THE
MIDTERM ELECTIONS ARE A
REFERENDUM ON DONALD TRUMP.
RICK TYLER AND MATT MILLER ARE
BOTH BACK WITH US AS WELL.
>> DAVID, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
BEING WITH US.
TALK ABOUT YOUR PIECE AND TALK
ABOUT WHAT MAY HELP IN SOME
BRIGHT RED DISTRICTS MAY
ACTUALLY HURT REPUBLICANS’
CHANCES IN PURPLE TO BLUE
DISTRICTS.
DISTRICTS. >> I THINK THAT MIKA IS RIGHT IN
THE SENSE THAT SHE KEEPS BANGING
AWAY AT THE FACT THAT A LOT OF
DEMOCRATS DON’T HAVE A HELL OF A
LOT OF IDEAS TO OFFER THEIR
ELECTORATE.
ELECTORATE. THEY’RE CONCENTRATING OVER AND
OVER AGAIN ON DONALD TRUMP.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT’S
UNAVOIDABLE.
UNAVOIDABLE. IT’S UNAVOIDABLE TO A GREAT
MEASURE BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS
UNDERMINING SO MANY ROOT
BELIEFS, SO MANY MORAL
UNDERSTANDINGS THAT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE WOULD SEEM TO SHARE AND
HAS EXACERBATED THINGS AND HAS
SPOILED THE CLIMATE THAT YOU
COULD ALMOST SAY THAT HE’S
RESPONSIBLE FOR CLIMATE CHANGE
OF A CERTAIN KIND, MORAL CLIMATE
CHANGE.
CHANGE. NOT ONLY HAS HE ROLLED BACK THE
PARIS AGREEMENTS, WHICH IS
REALLY ONE OF OUR ONLY CHANCES
AT PRESERVING THIS PLANET, HE’S
ALSO FOULED THE MORAL AIR FOR
AMERICA.
AMERICA. HE HAS UNDERMINED UNDERSTANDINGS
OF BASIC FOREIGN POLICY, OUR
ALLIANCES ABROAD.
ALLIANCES ABROAD. HE’S ENCOURAGED AUTO CATCRATS FR
EUROPE TO BRAZIL TO ASIA.
IT’S UNDERSTANDABLE THAT A LOT
OF DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES ARE
FOCUSED ON THE DEFENSIVE REAR
GUARD ACTION OF PRESERVING
CERTAIN BASIC MORAL AND
POLITICAL UNDERSTANDINGS OF
AMERICAN POLITICS AND AMERICAN
LIFE.
LIFE. >> SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, IS
THE MESSAGE WE’RE PRESERVING OUR
DEMOCRACY?
DEMOCRACY? OR ARE WE GOING TO BE FIGHTING
FOR IDEAS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY IS WORRIED ABOUT YOU AND
YOUR ECONOMY AND YOUR LIFE?
>> THAT’S AN IDEA.
>> I KNOW IT’S AN IDEA.
BUT IT’S AN EPIC CONUNDRUM THAT
WE’RE IN BECAUSE WE HAVE A
PRESIDENT WHO IN SOME WAYS
NOBODY SAW COMING.
AS A RESULT, HE HAS ALL OF THIS
TIME TO DEVALUE THE TRUTH, TO
RIP UP THE UNDERBELLY OF RACISM
IN THIS COUNTRY, TO DEVALUE
PEOPLE IN REALTIME, TO PUSH
NORMS TO AN EXTENT WHERE WE ARE
WATCHING THINGS HAPPEN THAT
WOULD NEVER BE ACCEPTED IN
AMERICA, AND YET THEY’RE
HAPPENING FROM THE PODIUM OF THE
PRESIDENCY.
PRESIDENCY. IT’S ALMOST LIKE DEMOCRATS HAVE
LOST TIME BECAUSE THEY JUST
COULD NOT BELIEVE -- INCLUDING
HILLARY CLINTON -- COULD NOT
BELIEVE THAT HE COULD WIN.
>> THOSE VERY VALUES HAVE TO BE
FOUGHT FOR ON A DAILY BASIS,
WHETHER IT’S IN THE PRESS,
WHETHER IT’S IN CIVIC LIFE,
WHETHER IT’S ON THE CAMPAIGN
TRAIL.
TRAIL. IT’S IN EVERYBODY’S LIVES.
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.
THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY REPRESENTS
AN EMERGENCY.
AN EMERGENCY. I CAN’T EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH.
>> I AGREE.
>> IT’S BEEN THAT SINCE DAY ONE.
FROM THE DAY THAT SEAN SPICER
WENT OUT AND TOLD THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE DON’T BELIEVE YOUR LYIN’
EYES, THIS IS THE BIGGEST CROWD
IN THE HISTORY OF INAUGURATIONS.
FROM THE DAY THE TRUMP
PRESIDENCY SET OUT TO ASSAULT
OUR UNDERSTANDING OF IMMIGRATION
AND KINDNESS AND DEECENCY AND
TRUTH, THAT REPRESENTS AN
EMERGENCY IN AMERICAN LIFE.
FROM THE DAY THAT THE AMERICAN
PRESIDENT MADE COMMON CAUSE WITH
VLADIMIR PUTIN OR THE SAUDI
ROYAL FAMILY OR ALL THE
AUTOCRATS AROUND THE WORLD AND
DIMINISHED THE STATURE OF
EUROPEAN ALLIES, THAT REPRESENTS
AN EMERGENCY AND THAT NEED TO BE
TREATED LIKE AN EMERGENCY.
>> YES, YES, AND YES.
>> THERE ARE POLICY DECISIONS
HAVING TO DO WITH THE FUTURE OF
OUR FINANCIAL WELL-BEING THAT
HAVE TO BE PAID ATTENTION TO.
THERE’S SO MUCH TO DEAL WITH
BECAUSE OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY
THAT I DON’T THINK ANY CANDIDATE
ON A DAILY BASIS CAN SATISFY
WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.
THERE ARE CANDIDATES WHETHER
IT’S STACEY ABRAMS IN GEORGIA
WHO REPRESENT REAL PROMISE FOR
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU IN THE
SENSE THAT OVERALL THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY NEEDS GREATER
COHERENCE AND IT CERTAINLY NEED
PEOPLE AT THE TOP WHEN IT COMES
TO THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE TO
EMERGE MUCH MORE COHERENTLY THAN
THEY HAVE BECAUSE THAT HASN’T
HAPPENED YET.
HAPPENED YET. >> DAVID, YOU’RE SO RIGHT ABOUT
HOW ABHORRENT THIS PRESIDENCY
HAS BEEN FROM DAY ONE.
>> IT’S PAINFUL TO ADMIT IT.
>> YOU COULD EVEN START WITH THE
INAUGURAL SPEECH, THE VERY FIRST
DAY SEAN SPICER GOING OUTLYING
ABOUT THE CROWD SIZE, THE VERY
FIRST WEEKEND THEY STARTED THEIR
PLANS FOR THE SO-CALLED MUSLIM
BAN.
BAN. THAT HAS CONTINUED FORWARD.
I’VE NOTICED THE PAST COUPLE OF
DAYS REPUBLICANS AND FORMER
REPUBLICANS BECOMING EVEN MORE
STRIDENT IN THEIR CONCERNS ON
THIS SHOW.
THIS SHOW. CHARLIE SYKES, RICK WILSON, RICK
TYLER SAYING THAT WHEN THE
PRESIDENT DECLARED HIMSELF A
NATIONALIST, HIS POLL NUMBERS
SHOULDN’T DROP BY FOUR, THEY
SHOULD DROP BY 24 POINTS.
AND GEORGE CONWAY, KELLYANNE
CONWAY’S HUSBAND.
CONWAY’S HUSBAND. YOU CAN GO DOWN THE LIST --
>> A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE
OUTSIDE THE PARTY OR HEADED
TOWARD RETIREMENT OR HAVE GIVEN
UP THE
UP THE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS HAVE COME
TO THE CONCLUSION THAT, IN FACT,
WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY DID NOT DRIVE
ANTI-SEMITISM AND HATRED OUT OF
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
A LOT OF THESE LURKING PROBLEMS
EVER SINCE THE MID ’60s AND THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY’S MOVEMENT, A
LOT OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN
AMPLIFIED BY THE INTERNET, HAVE
BEEN GIVEN A HOME.
AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA NOW ENCOURAGES
DIVISION, HATRED AND EXPLOITING
THIS FOR PURELY ELECTORAL MEANS.
>> WHICH I WAS GOING TO GET TO
THE SECOND PART OF THAT.
BUT 90% OF REPUBLICANS STILL
SUPPORT A PRESIDENT WHO IS
CLAIMING, JUST LIKE FOX NEWS,
THAT THIS PHANTOM INVASION OF
MIGRANTS IS GOING TO BRING
SMALLPOX AND LEPROSY.
IT IS A PURE OUT AND OUT APPEAL
TO RACISM.
TO RACISM. AND 90% OF THE TRUMP REPUBLICAN
PARTY IS SUPPORTING IT.
>> I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONTRAST
BARACK OBAMA’S REACTION TO THE
KILLINGS IN SOUTH CAROLINA TO
DONALD TRUMP’S REACTION TO PIPE
BOMBS IN THE MAIL AND THE
KILLINGS THAT WE’VE JUST SEEN IN
PITTSBURGH.
PITTSBURGH. CHARACTER MATTERS, MORAL
FOUNDATION IN A HUMAN BEING AND
A POLITICIAN MATTERS.
IT NEVER MATTERS AS MUCH AS WHEN
THAT PERSON IS A LEADER, A
LEADER OF AN ENTIRE NATION.
WHAT WE SEE NOW IS A NATION LED
BY SOMEBODY WHO IS AT BEST A
MORAL VACUUM AND AT WORST A
REALLY PERNICIOUS MORAL
INFLUENCE ON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN BE TOO
EASILY LED AND WE’VE SEEN THIS
THROUGHOUT HISTORY.
THROUGHOUT HISTORY. AND TO JUST DISMISS HIM AS A
REALITY TV PRESIDENT IS FAR TOO
EASY AND NOT TAKING THE
SITUATION SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
HE IS A TERRIBLE INFLUENCE ON
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. AND IF PEOPLE ARE CRAZY ENOUGH
OR UNSTABLE ENOUGH, AWFUL THINGS
CAN HAPPEN.
CAN HAPPEN. >> YOU KNOW, WILLIE, YES,
ACTIONS DO MATTER.
YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE WE HAVE FOUND
UNFORTUNATELY OVER THE PAST
COUPLE OF WEEKS THAT WE KNOWMATT
WHEN DONALD TRUMP ATTACKS CNN
CONSTANTLY, WHEN HE CALLS THE
PRESS ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE
CONSTANTLY, WHEN HE ATTACKS
GEORGE SOROS, WHEN REPUBLICAN
BACK BENCHERS SAY THAT GEORGE
SOROS IS FUNDING THIS CARAVAN --
YOU KNOW WHERE I’M GOING.
I COULD GO DOWN THE LAUNDRY
LIST.
LIST. THESE WORDS, THESE ATTACKS,
THESE HATEFUL REMARKS, THEY GET
PEOPLE WHO ARE UNBALANCED, THEY
GET THEM OUT AND WE’VE SEEN OVER
THE PAST WEEK THE RESULTS OF
THAT.
THAT. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. I WAS THINKING OVER THE COURSE
OF THIS WEEK ABOUT HOW WORDS
ALWAYS HAVE BEEN SO CHEAP TO
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. I’M GOING BACK TO WHEN HE WAS A
REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER AND A TV
SHOW HOST.
SHOW HOST. HE’D SAY I’VE GOT THE NUMBER ONE
SHOW ON TELEVISION.
NO, YOU DON’T, YOU’RE NUMBER 23.
IT DIDN’T REALLY MATTER THEN.
NOW THE STAKES ARE SO MUCH
HIGHER.
HIGHER. I THOUGHT IT WAS A WEEK AGO HE
HAD THE MOST TELLING QUOTE
PERHAPS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION SO
FAR WHEN HE WAS ASKED AS HE WENT
OUT TO CAMPAIGN WITH TED CRUZ,
DO YOU REGRET SAYING TED CRUZ’S
FATHER HELPED IN THE
ASSASSINATION.
ASSASSINATION. HE SAID, I DON’T REGRET IT.
IT TURNED OUT VERY NICELY FOR
ME.
ME. IN OTHER WORDS, THE ENDS ALWAYS
JUSTIFY THE MEANS.
WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO SAY AND
WHATEVER THE CONSEQUENCES ARE,
IT DOESN’T MATTER BECAUSE YOU’RE
GETTING WHAT YOU WANT IN THE
END.
END. >> AS AMERICANS WE’RE TOO
CONFIDENT IN OUR OWN STABILITY.
WE DON’T TAKE SERIOUSLY ENOUGH
THE FRAGILITY OF INSTITUTIONS.
WHEN I LIVED IN MOSCOW, YOU
BEGAN TO SEE THIS NATIONALIST
MOVEMENT PERCOLATE IN THE EARLY
FRAGILE DAYS OF SEMI DEMOCRACY.
YOU KNOW WHO THE GREAT ENEMY OF
THE NATIONALIST RIGHT WING WAS?
GEORGE SOROS.
GEORGE SOROS. AND I WOULD GO SEE THESE PEOPLE
ALL THE TIME.
THE EDITOR OF A NEWSPAPER CALLED
"THE DAY" AND SOMETHING CALLED
"TOMORROW" AND THERE WOULD BE
ANTI-SEMITIC CHARACTER KATUREARI
FRONT PAGE OF HIS NEWSPAPER ALL
THE TIME.
THE TIME. WE ARE TOO CONFIDENT FOR ALL
KINDS OF REASONS IN AMERICAN
LUCKINESS, IN AMERICAN
EXCEPTIONALISM
EXCEPTIONALISM EXCEPTIONALISM, IN AMERICAN
STABILITY.
STABILITY. THAT’S WHY THIS REPRESENTS AN
EMERGENCY IN MY MIND, BECAUSE
THIS SHATTERS OUR ILLUSIONS, OR
IT SHOULD.
IT SHOULD. AND WE SHOULD TAKE THESE WARNING
SIGNS, THESE PERCOLATIONS OF
HATRED, THESE INSTANCES OF
TERRIBLE VIOLENCE AS WARNINGS
ABOUT WHERE WE ARE GOING AS A
COUNTRY AND WHO WE’RE HEAD BY.
>> WOW.
>> WOW. >> MATT MILLER, WHAT DAVID JUST
SO ELOQUENTLY LAID OUT HAS BEEN
AT THE HEART OF THE DEBATE
BETWEEN MIKA AND MYSELF OVER THE
PAST TWO YEARS.
SHE HAS SEEN ME AS BEING FAR TOO
CONFIDENT IN THE STRENGTH OF
MADISONIAN DEMOCRACY, THE
STRENGTH OF THE INSTITUTIONS,
THE STRENGTH OF PEOPLE TO HOLD
UP AGAINST A TYRANT OR A WOULD
BE TYRANT.
BE TYRANT. MIKA CERTAINLY AGREES WITH
DAVID, AS SHE ALWAYS DOES.
THESE TWO, THEY’RE INSEPARABLE,
INTELLECTUALLY AND IDENTITY
LOGICALLYDGE
LOGICALLYDGE WHEN I SAW DONALD TRUMP IN THE
MIDDLE OF PURE RACIALLY
MOTIVATED ATTACKS, I MUST SAY
THAT FRAGILITY THAT DAVID SPOKE
OF, THAT MIKA’S BEEN SPEAKING
OF, I FELT IT MUCH MORE ACUTELY.
I WILL NOT LIE.
I WATCHED A LOT MORE BASEBALL
THIS YEAR FOR A REASON, BECAUSE
THIS IS SICKENING IF YOU REALLY
STOP TO THINK ABOUT 47% OF
AMERICANS LAST WEEK ACTUALLY
APPROVING OF THE JOB THE RACIST
IN CHIEF HAS BEEN ACTUALLY
PERFORM
PERFORM PERFORMING WHEN HE PLAYS TO THE
LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR.
>> I THINK THE POINT DAVID MAKES
ABOUT THE ASSAULT ON OUR
INSTITUTIONS HAS ALWAYS WORRIED
ME THE MOST.
IN TRYING TO ATTACK THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT AND THE FREE PRESS,
HE IS DOING EVERYTHING HE CAN TO
UNDERMINE ANYONE WHO WOULD BE A
NEUTRAL ARBITER OF TRUTH.
YOU TALK ABOUT THIS NATIONAL
EMERGENCY WE’RE IN.
I THINK WE HAVE BEEN IN A
NATIONAL EMERGENCY SINCE DAY
ONE.
ONE. IT’S VERY HARD FOR AMERICANS TO
FOCUS ON THAT.
THE THING THAT WORRIES ME MOST
IS LET’S SAY REPUBLICANS DON’T
DO VERY WELL AT THE POLLS NEXT
WEEK.
WEEK. LET’S SAY DEMOCRATS TAKE BACK
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. LET’S SAY THE ECONOMY FINALLY
STARTS TO TAIL OFF.
WHAT DOES PRESIDENT TRUMP LOOK
LIKE THEN?
LIKE THEN? THE DEMONIZATION INSTITUTIONS?
WHEN HE’S DONE ALL THAT WHEN
THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING WELL FOR
HIS PRESIDENCY, HIS BACK IS
REALLY AGAINST THE WALL WHAT
DOES HE LOOK LIKE THEN AND HOW
DO OUR INSTITUTIONS SURVIVE AND
REACT TO THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT, MATT MILLER, THANK
YOU.
YOU. DAVID ROENICK, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
MUCH. >> I’M LISTENING TO DAVID TALK,
IT’S LIKE I’M LISTENING TO YOU
TALK, IT’S LIKE SERIOUSLY, DO
YOU SHARE NOTES?
>> I THINK HE GIVES S BRINGS UP
POINT.
POINT. ABOUT THE PRECIOUSNESS OF WHAT
WE HAVE.
WE HAVE. IF YOU HAVE GROWN UP IN THIS
GREAT COUNTRY, I THINK IT’S VERY
EASY TO FEEL THIS IS ON VERY
STRONG FOUNDATIONS AND HELD
TOGETHER ON STRONG PILLARS BUT
IF YOU’VE GROWN UP IN ANOTHER
TYPE OF COUNTRY AND HAVE EVEN
FLED THAT COUNTRY, YOU KNOW HOW
QUICKLY IT CAN SLIP AWAY.
>> DAVID, MIKA’S PARENTS
OBVIOUSLY FLED POLAND AND FLED
CHECK SLOW VOSSVAKIASLOVAKIA.
>> AND FOR REASONS VERY SIMILAR,
OPPRESSION AND ALL THE REST.
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COUNTRY
BUILT ON A FOUNDATION OF
ACCEPTANCE OF -- IT SOUNDS
TERRIBLY OVERLY IDEALISTIC AND
CORNY.
CORNY. BUT OF DECENCY AND KINDNESS TO
IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE BEEN NOTHING
BUT MADE INTO DEMONS BY THIS
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN HORRIBLE
NEED 1,000 MILES AWAY THAT HAVE
BEEN DEMONIZED AND AT THE SAME
TIME THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES CANNOT MUSTER OFF OF THE
TELEPROMPTER A KIND OF HUMANE
REACTION TO WHAT’S HAPPENING IN
HIS OWN COUNTRY IN THE LAST
WEEK.
WEEK. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT
HIM?
HIM? AND HE IS THE ELECTED PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> STILL AHEAD, WE’RE GOING TO
TALK ABOUT BOTH THE OPENING AND
THE CLOSING ARGUMENTS FOR THE
ELECTION OF FLORIDA’S CANDIDATE
ANDREW GILLUM.
ANDREW GILLUM. >> THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DO
IS TO MONKEY THIS UP BY TRYING