Mike happen Tony on the line with us the attorney author
dictionary host a real fire radio bring a fire radio dot com the website
an equestrian for TV and free speech TV a path by it on time how are you
I am I am fired up I it's great to have you with us
are but wakey least join assigns does it again
I don't know if you have been bio ABC Family i havent no
I actually have it loaded to watch it but i havent
I had a nurse Saturday night we'll just call the guy who made the movie are
and it's a very very and we saw the movie actually couple weeks ago
I so that doesn't paint a picture of how important wiki leaks
is to shift to democracy it does and
you know people I think people who are who are WikiLeaks lovers as it were
are and I consider myself one summer a little offended because it shows some of
the human side
Juliana sign some of which he may dispute um by
it it really is a thought-provoking movie it leaves you with us
really serious question %uh you know what is the role of the press
and how do you have a democracy without a free press on Canada well now if
course you've got diane feinstein and Schumer and some other folks that are
trying to me to to nullify
what then press really means they're trying to say was very specific in
you know wikiLeaks is not the press therefore we can't
he has no protection just like saying they would do with me are you
well is it this is why I think it's actually important for people see this
movie The Fifth the state because you walk out a movie knowing
that what you are doing PAP what I'm doing what anybody who
publishes a blog you know just their own blog is doing his journalism
and without real journalism you can't have a real small t democracy
anyhow that said WikiLeaks just released
at one part the IP the intellectual property part correct me if I'm wrong on
this
I love the draft agreement so far the trans-pacific partnership they're gonna
be meeting in
was a solid say near Denver something I was somewhere in Denver I thought but
under okay
get all actually wouldn't surprise me you know whatever it's it's a place out
west and in the next couple weeks to
to Nellis stuff down and I'm guessing they thought they were going to me
in a low profile in secret and murder tell us what so we can buy me that's
that's the good
that is the that's the great story here Tom
this is the great story here is in the same way that that citizens media
close down Syria citizens media
close down the Larry Summers story
citizens media created so much pressure with the administration that DOMA
ya there were a lot of good things came in in is for gender rights
this is the same thing low it without the citizens media most people would not
know the secretive meetings that have been taken place
at the urgent at well US Chamber of Commerce
in Wall Street folks like exxon Dow Chemical
Eli Lilly by half a dozen mourned multinational corporations
have been pushing TPP is I know you've talked about this is
that is nothing more than nafta in calf to on a lot
of steroid Joshi we could they should rename this Shafter
Schefter would be very appropriate but I think what people I don't know if he
called the story this week we're actually involved
we're gonna be involved in some cases where you have
a multi conglomerate international corporation coming over
to the United States or Canada saying gee whiz we want to drill in your
backyard and I know there's legislation that says we can't do that
we want a frackin your backyard under these legislations it say we can do that
but the TPP the way it's written
ads so much to their billy to comin
and change laws now they're already doing it just with nafta
arguably nafta is a very weak I'll
are Avenue for testing sovereign
I'll rules and laws this TPP
is just there are no limitations I mean they will change the entire nature of
Environmental Law love workers law workers rights
its workers safety love will
of pension programs Raiders a pension programs na min get
it just there's no limits Tom and I think the ugly part is
that we've had this administration that has done this behind closed doors
this this is what baffles me pappa mean I've been saying
on this program for for years
that and in print for years um longer than that decades
that the first political party that embraces ross perot in retrospect
you know that goes back and says they are as you're cool with the big years
now graphs the circles
it was right I was right exactly and 20 percent American populace voted for him
even though his
is you know vice presidential candidate was quite sure who he was
and and and some of his policies were just totally naughty
but they knew that he had it right on trade and
they didn't wanna lose their jobs but he warned us have all this he did he did
and and the first political party
is both parties i mean you know both George Herbert Walker Bush and bill
clinton ran
on ross perot's a crazy old coot and we're gonna do free trade
so either one other parties has the
opportunity to say hoops and they've all done it before I mean on Terra policies
for example it's going back and forth back and forth back and forth
over the last 200 years arm day the first party to
really seriously embrace the RoSPA to pro protections position
will never again lose an election in america and
just last week in fact was in last year's day before yesterday
if I recall correctly I was really my New York Times app
that 20 republican congressmen sent a letter to the president saying that they
are going to do everything we can to fight
fast as some other sometimes a sum up from
tom ridge's crazies the Michele Bachmann craze is really just purely
obstructionist they simply
its Obama hatred in some other mall or what you would call procedural purist
the don't like the idea that you've had the president operating
behind closed doors are creating these mandates without anybody knowing
anything about it
but I you know the the truth is this is very very ugly and I think it's
a it's been way under-reported
yeah and I I'm so glad to hear you talking about I talk about it all the
time
people that see this who have actually seen bits and pieces of what this is
supposed to mean
are are terrified about what it does in what it does its its union-busting
its pension theft it promotes a wage theft
a worksite safety it it what it does here here let me drill-down here's the
way I see it
since NAFTA and CAFTA they have used those things
to outsource jobs in create what we call a job scarcity
in america you have twenty people competing for the same job
hasn't gotten any better in the last four years twenty people competing for
the same job maybe even higher according some numbers
so if you say to that person that is just passed on the job because
he actually wants decent wages I he wants a little bit I'm of
the employer simply says you know what there's nineteen people behind you
they want your job it's that job scarcity
that is the drive to the bottom it's the race to the bottom that we see in places
like side pan India China
I and so that's what these corporations want to create right here in America
and you have to create they have created but but here's the point:
TPP is the icing on the cake n you have these vultures like exxon Dow Chemical
BP
Eli Whitney Eli Lilly all simply waiting
for Obama to buy in to what is nothing more than an extension of the clinton
year you understand clean started all this
bro the BRB pritzker I rubin
all of those folks rubber room all those folks are the core
in the driving force behind this one reason they kept it quiet
is that was like a red flag anywhere robert rubin goes
the average worker is going to lose in corporations are gonna win
also this was not entirely any not to defend bill clinton because he never
should assign the stuff
but you know reagan startles I started this with the most favored nation status
stuff which was the
the was the teenage in adolescent years stuff yeah
no question but route but did we get we have to admit rubin drove
yes I clinton into making a sack a pox on all the houses with regard to this
time yeah yeah
and water and at what I don't get is why Obama is doing this to the democratic
are well I gotta tell you something I know you don't want to hear me say this
I i
look you and I just have different opinions about what's happening here and
I respect your opinion
%uh but I have an opinion in the opinion is the money that put
Obama in office the first time was the robber truman rubin
the Pritzker money the Wall Street money and even though he was out there saying
all the right things like we have to do something about Wall Street we're gonna
lose our democracy if we don't do something
but we saw him overnight change into we have two
look forward we can look behind us here and this is one of those
I'm not trying to catch up because I disagree with the path because I don't
disagree with you I
%eh you're right and I don't blame know Obama for that I blame the supreme court
for that
import creating a situation where in order to become president as since
you've got to make those kinda compromises and
which is not good for him it's not good for us it's definitely not good for the
democratic party
up any up might have it I thanks so much thank you
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