>>> ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED POST
JANUARY 6th IS ON THE HANDS OF
THOSE INDIVIDUALS NOT ONLY NAMED
BY THE FOLKS YOU JUST LISTED,
PROUD BOYS, WHOEVER, BUT MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS WHO PERPETUATED
THIS.
THIS IS AN UNDERGROUND THING
BECOMING COMMONPLACE.
>> OUR FRIEND JON MEACHAM IS
STILL WITH US.
JON, LETS COUNT IT UP.
OVER THE WEEKEND HAD A FORMER
FLAG OFFICER OF THE U.S.
MILITARY ADVOCATING A MILITARY
COUP, AND THEN TELLING US HE
DIDNT SAY WHAT WE HEARD HIM
SAY.
YOU HAD SIDNEY POWELL,
PRESIDENTS FORMER CAMPAIGN
LAWYER SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT
COULD BE REINSTATED.
I HOPE WHEN YOU AND BESCHLOSS
WRITE YOUR BOOKS ABOUT THIS
PERIOD, YOU GIVE THE RUSSIANS
THEIR DUE.
BECAUSE IN OUR TIME OF SOCIAL
MEDIA, THEY CERTAINLY ARE RIGHT
THERE WITH AN ASSIST ALL THE WAY
THROUGH FOR AT LEAST THE LAST
FIVE YEARS.
BUT AS MUCH IN THE FIRMAMENT OF
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS THE
CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE NOW, AND
YOU DREW THE COMPARISON TO THE
McCARTHY ERA, HOW DO WE THEN
GET -- GIVE YOU TITLE FOR NEXT
PODCAST SERIES -- FROM HERE TO
HOPE?
>> IT BEGINS WITH THESE KINDS OF
CONVERSATIONS.
NOT TO BE SOL IPIPSISTIC ABOUT I
BUT REQUIRES THE PEOPLE WHO
VOTED FOR THE PRESIDENT, THE
PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN A
DEMOCRACY YOU GO TO THE PEOPLE,
MAKE A CASE, SOMETIMES YOU WIN,
SOMETIMES YOU LOSE.
ITS FINE TO BE A 51/49 NATION
AS LONG AS THE 49 ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT THE 51 ACTUALLY CARRIED THE
DAY.
AND THEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU TRY
TO FIGHT IT OUT AGAIN.
THAT PRESUMES, HOWEVER, THAT
POLITICS IS A MEDIATION OF
DIFFERENCES AND NOT A PERPETUAL
ARMAGEDDON WHERE YOU HAVE ONE
SIDE, IT IS NOT A BOTH SIDES
THING, THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
AND THIS IS THE PARTY THAT WAS
ULTIMATELY OF LINCOLN AND REAGAN
AND EISENHOWER AND THE BUSHES.
AND THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WITH
MANY OBJECTIONS TO THOSE
FIGURES, BUT IT WAS A RATIONAL
ACTOR WITHIN THE CONSTITUTIONAL
SYSTEM.
RIGHT NOW ITS NOT.
AND IN FOREIGN POLICY SPEAK YOU
ALWAYS TRY TO FIGURE OUT IS
THERE A RATIONAL ACTOR IN A
NEGOTIATION.
RIGHT NOW THERES NOT A RATIONAL
ACTOR, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS
NOT ACTING IN RATIONAL WAY, SO
WHAT DO YOU DO?
YOU MAKE THE CASE, RIGHT?
AND CASE I WOULD MAKE IS THAT
CONSERVATIVES SAY THEY LOVE
HISTORY, SO LETS TALK ABOUT
HISTORY.
THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED
STATES, THE REASON THIS -- I
BELIEVE -- CONTINUES TO BE AN
EXPERIMENT WORTH DEFENDING IS
BECAUSE ITS BEEN DEVOTED TO AN
IDEA THAT IN FACT WE ARE ALL
CREATED EQUAL AND ENDOWED BY OUR
CREATOR WITH CERTAIN INALIENABLE
RIGHTS.
AND WE ADJUDICATE OUR
DIFFERENCES, STRUGGLE AND WORDS
OF PARKER ADOPTED BY KING, TRY
TO BEND THE ARC OF THE MORAL
UNIVERSE TOWARD JUSTICE AND
SOMETIMES IT DOES, SOMETIMES IT
DOESNT.
ONLY BENDS TOWARD JUSTICE WITH
MORE PEOPLE LIKE SMITH AND LESS
LIKE McCARTHY, MORE PEOPLE LIKE
JOHN LEWIS AND FEWER LIKE BULL
CONNOR.
"A," PEOPLE ARGUE FOR THE TRUTH,
AND "B," EVERYBODY ACCEPTS THE
RULES.
WE CAN CONTROL THE FIRST, TELL
THE TRUTH.
GETTING FOLKS TO OBEY THE RULES
HAS TO BE THE FOCUS I THINK OF
THE NEXT TWO YEARS HEADING INTO
WHAT COULD BE A VERY CHAOTIC
2024 ELECTION.
AND IF YOURE A CONSERVATIVE AND
YOU THINK THAT BY SUPPORTING
THIS TRUMP-FED WORLD VIEW WHERE
IT DOESNT MATTER REALLY WHO
WINS, I SHOULD WIN, THEREFORE
IM GOING TO RIP APART THE
SYSTEM, YOU ARE ACTING
AHISTORICALLY, YOU ARE NOT
ACTING WITHIN THE BEST
TRADITIONS OF THE UNITED STATES,
YOU ARE IN FACT SUPPORTING THE
KIND OF SYSTEM WE HAVE PROJECTED