>> AND WE MADE IT THROUGH 2021.
WELCOME BACK.
CONVICTED SEX TRAFFICKER
GHISLAINE MAXWELL FACES THE REST
OF HER LIFE IN THE BIG HOUSE,
SPECULATION OUTGROWING THAT SHE
WILL FLIP ON EPSTEIN’S HOUSE AND
START "SINGING LIKE A CANARY" IN
EXCHANGE FOR A SHORTER SENTENCE.
MAXWELL’S ATTORNEYS SAY THEY
WILL APPEAL, THEY ALWAYS DO, AND
LEGAL EXPERTS THINK OTHER PEOPLE
COULD BE GOING DOWN TOO.
>> WELL, SHE IS GOING TO
PRACTICE HER SINGING VOICE.
I BELIEVE THAT ALL ALONG SHE HAS
BEEN PLAYING HER CARDS VERY,
VERY WISELY.
SHE DIDN’T NEED TO IMPLICATE
OTHER PEOPLE.
AND EVERYBODY’S SAYING HEY, IS
TRUMP INVOLVED, IS CLINTON
INVOLVED, IS LEON BLACK INVOLVED
INVOLVED?
FAMOUS POLITICAL FIGURES,
WEALTHY PEOPLE, BUT EVEN IF SHE
NAMES NAMES, THE STATE STILL HAS
TO CREATE A CASE.
BUT THIS COULD BE THE TIME FOR
HER TO START NAMING NAMES.
AFTER THE LIFE SHE HAS LIVED
INCOMPLETE AND LAVISH LUXURY,
THAT DOESN’T LOOK TOO GOOD FOR
HER.
>> MEANWHILE, HE JUST TURNING UP
ON OTHER FRIENDS OF EPSTEIN LIKE
ROYAL PRINCE ANDREW AND HIS
LAWYERS HOLDING "EMERGENCY
TALKS" AFTER MAXWELL’S GUILTY
VERDICT.
SO DOES THIS CANARY START
SINGING?
KAYLEIGH, I GO TO YOU FIRST.
BASICALLY MAXWELL HAS THREE
OPTIONS HERE.
SHE CAN EITHER NOT TALK, SHE
COULD TALK TO REDUCE HER
SENTENCE, OBVIOUSLY APPEAL.
APPEAL IS PROBABLY THE NOT
LIKELY OPTION IN TERMS OF
GETTING HER OUT OF THIS ANY TIME
SOON THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU
FEEL THE SAME WAY I DO ABOUT
SINGING?
THE ADVICE TO HENRY HILL EARLY
ON WAS NEVER RIGHT ON YOUR
FRIENDS.
SO SHE RATS HERE, EVEN IF SHE
GETS A SHORTER SENTENCE, WHAT
DOES THAT DO FOR HER?
SHE IS 60 YEARS OLD AND GETS OUT
AT AGE 85 AS OPPOSED TO 170?
I WONDER IF SHE TALKS.
WHAT IS YOUR BED IF YOU WERE TO
BET ON THIS RIGHT NOW?
>> IF I TIBET, THESE ARE A LOT OF SLIMY FOLKS
, I BELIEVE SHE IS SINGING.
WHEN INCENTIVE DOES SHE HAVE NOT
THE SIN?
WHEN YOUR LIFE TO LIVE, TWO
YEARS LEFT TO LIVE, GETS OUT AT
90, 95.
THE ROLE THAT SHE HAD IN THIS,
THINK ABOUT THIS, HE SAID IF YOU
ARE SINGLE, MIDDLE-AGE MAN WHO
INVITES PEOPLE TO GO TO YOUR
PRIVATE HOME OR YOUR RANCH OR
YOUR PLANE TO NEW YORK CITY, YOU
ARE CONSIDERED CREEPY.
BUT IF YOU’RE A MIDDLE-AGE MAN
WHO HAS THIS YOUNG, NICE LOOKING
WOMAN WHO GOES OUT AND TRIES TO
NORMALIZE THIS AND TALK TO THE
YOUNG GIRLS, IT IS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT.
MAYBE IN THE YOUNG GIRL’S MIND,
AND THE WORDS OF PROSECUTORS,
"LURED INTO A TRAP."
SO GHISLAINE MAXWELL, WHAT A
HORRIBLE THING SHE HAS DONE
LEARNING PEOPLE INTO THESE
TRAPS, THESE YOUNG WOMEN, BUT
WAITING IN THE TRAP WITH THESE
MEN WHO DESERVE TO BE SOUGHT
AFTER, DESERVE TO HAVE
PROSECUTORS IN THE SAME FASHION
THEY WENT AFTER MAXWELL.
THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND IF
THESE PEOPLE DIDN’T HAVE
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS, JUSTICE WOULD HAVE BEEN
SERVED HERE A WHOLE LOT QUICKER.
>> LESLIE MARSHALL IS A VERY
SIMPLE, PITHY QUESTION GIVEN
WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE, WITH THE
CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE PAST AND
THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, DO YOU
THINK SHE IS SAFE AT THIS POINT
REGARDLESS OF BEING BEHIND BARS?
>> THAT’S VERY INTERESTING
BECAUSE THERE ARE QUESTIONS AS
TO WHETHER EPSTEIN DID ACTUALLY
KILL HIMSELF.
VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I DON’T KNOW.
I THINK HER’S SONG SHOULD BE
CANARY IN A COAL MINE BECAUSE I
THINK SHE WILL BE SINGING.
THE BIGGER THE NAME, THE BIGGER
THE DEAL UNLESS THE SENTENCE
TIME THIS WOMAN IS GOING TO GET
I BELIEVE.
THE SAD THING HERE IS WE ARE
LOOKING FOR A FORMER PRESIDENT’S
NAMES, WE ARE LOOKING FOR
PRINCES, WHAT WE FORGET OUR
PILOTS, CHAUFFEURS, COOKS,
BUTLERS, OTHER PEOPLE WHO KNEW
THIS WAS GOING ON AND WHO ARE
JUST AS CULPABLE IN MY AND MANY
OTHER PEOPLE’S OPINION WHO KEPT
CASHING THEIR PAYCHECKS KNOWING
THE DAMAGE THAT WAS BEING DONE
TO THESE YOUNG GIRLS, MORE THAN
100 THAT WE KNOW OF, THAT ARE
NOW WOMEN.
I THINK SHE DEFINITELY WILL CUT
THE DEAL, EVEN IF IT CUTS HER
SENTENCE BY A FEW YEARS.
I THINK SHE IS KEEPING THAT
BLACK BOOK OF HERS CLOSE TO THE
CHEST AND SHE IS VERY SMART.
SHE HAS COME FROM A VERY
POWERFUL AND RICH FAMILY AND
THAT MEANS THEY CAN HIRE VERY
POWERFUL ATTORNEYS, WHICH SHE
HAS.
AND I THINK THAT MAY WORK WELL
FOR HER AND HOPEFULLY WILL
ACTUALLY WORK WELL FOR THE
VICTIMS IN THE LONG RUN.
BUT I DON’T WANT TO SEE IMMUNITY
BEING PUT ON THE TABLE FOR THIS
WOMAN, AND THAT COULD BE
SOMETHING SHE REQUESTS.
>> KAT, I WILL GIVE YOU AN
OPTION HERE AS WHAT WOULD YOU
RATHER HAVE.
ACCESS TO AREA 51 AND ALL THE
SECRETS BEHIND THERE OR
GHISLAINE MAXWELL’S BLACK BOOK?
>> PROBABLY THIS.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO
THIS.
I’M NOT GOING TO PREDICT WHETHER
SHE IS GOING TO TALK OR NOT
BECAUSE EVER SINCE WE SAW HER
THAT IN IN OUTAGES OUT THERE
LIKE EVERYTHING WAS COOL, I
DON’T THINK I CAN EVER GET
INSIDE HER BRAIN OF WHY SHE DOES
WHAT SHE DOES WHEN SHE IS IN
TROUBLE.
THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS,
POWERFUL PREDATORS ARE SO
POWERFUL BECAUSE NOT JUST
BECAUSE OF THEMSELVES BUT
BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE
ALSO POWERFUL ARE INVOLVED BUT
PEOPLE NOT INVOLVED BUT KNOW
ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON COULD
HAVE DONE SOMETHING BUT LOOKED
AWAY.
EVERY TIME WE SEE ONE OF THESE
FIGURES GET TAKEN DOWN, ALSO
MIKE ALWAYS PEOPLE INVOLVED WHO
NEVER GET TAKEN DOWN.
AS MUCH AS I DO WANT TO SEE
EVERYONE HOLD ACCOUNTABLE, AS
MUCH AS I WANT TO KNOW
EVERYTHING, I DON’T HAVE THAT
MUCH FAITH IN THE WORLD.
>> LET’S GO AROUND THE CIRCLE
CLEAR AS FAR AS THE SEMI BRADY
BUNCHING HERE GOING ON.
LIGHTNING ROUND HERE.
TAKE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE YOU THINK
SHOULD BE THE MOST NERVOUS RIGHT
NOW IF MAXWELL DOESN’T TALK.
>> I THINK ANYBODY WHO HAS DONE
EVERYTHING WRONG, I DON’T CARE
WHO THEY ARE, I HOPE THEY’LL
COME OUT AND I HOPE THEY ALL GO
TO JAIL.
THIS IS NOT TRIVIAL.
THIS IS ABOUT TAKING ADVANTAGE
OF KIDS.
THESE WERE YOUNG WOMEN, THESE
WERE CHILDREN, AND THAT IS A BIG
DEAL, AND SO HOPEFULLY ALL OF
THEM.
>> KAYLEIGH, I.
>> I THINK IF YOU ON THAT FLIGHT
MANIFEST, YOU MIGHT BE IN THAT
BLACK BOOK AND YOU MAY BE HANDED
OVER.
WE WILL SEE.
I DON’T KNOW WHAT THOSE NAMES
ARE.
>> LESLIE.
QUICKLY.
>> THE NAME I AM HERE AND AGAIN
AND AGAIN WITH ADDITIONAL LEGAL
COUNSEL AS PRINCE ANDREW SO I’M
GOING TO SAY THAT IS THE ONE WE
ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT RIGHT
NOW POTENTIAL.
SPEAK A VERY GOOD.
KAT.
>> I AGREE WITH JOHNNY JOEY
JONES THE NAMES BECAUSE OF HOW
FAMOUS THOSE PEOPLE ARE AND I
THINK THAT ANYONE WHO IS
INVOLVED THIS IN ANY CAPACITY IS
DISGUSTING AND I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE THEM RODS.
>> I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THAT.
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