AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR WE HAD A
BRIEFING FROM LOCAL OFFICIALS IN
ALLEN, TEXAS REGARDING THE
SHOOTING AT AN OUTDOOR SHOPPING
MALL EARLIER TODAY AROUND 3:30
P.M. CENTRAL TIME.
BOTH THE FBI AND ATF ARE
ASSISTING LOCAL POLICE AT THE
SCENE.
WE NOW KNOW THERE ARE NINE
FATALITIES AS A RESULT OF THIS
SHOOTING AND SEVERAL OTHER
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CRITICAL
CONDITION AND MIGHT NOT SURVIVE.
JOINING US NOW BERNARD, THE
FORMER SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE
OF THE BUREAU OF ALCOHOL,
TOBACCO AND FIREARMS.
WE LEARNED FROM THE CONGRESSMAN
THAT THE SHOOTER IN THIS CASE
WHO’S NOW DECEASED, THE SHOOTER
IS NOT FROM ALVIN, CAME IN FROM
OUT OF THE COMMUNITY.
NOT UNLIKE THE SITUATION THAT
HAPPENED AT THE BUFFALO
SUPERMARKET LAST WINTER WHEN A
YOUNG KID, I THINK THE
19-YEAR-OLD DROVE IN FROM
SEVERAL COUNTIES AWAY AND OPENED
FIRE.
ANYTHING THAT TELLS YOU IN
PARTICULAR IN THIS CASE?
>> WE CAN LOOK AT THESE EVENTS
STATISTICALLY OVER AT LEAST A
TEN YEAR PERIOD AND THIS IS NOT
ANOMALOUS SO THE SHOOTERS COME
FROM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND
COMMUNITIES AND PARTICULARLY
SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT ALLEN
BEING A SAFE COMMUNITY, IT IS
FOR NORMAL CRIME.
ACTIVE SHOOTER IS ABNORMAL.
SOMEBODY OPERATING NOT LIKE A
HUMAN BEING BUT MORE LIKE A
MACHINE, THEY LACK EMPATHY, THEY
LACK ANY TYPE OF CONSCIOUS, THEY
ARE THERE FOR A SINGLE PURPOSE,
THEY DON’T RESPOND LIKE A NORMAL
HUMAN BEING.
THAT’S WHY THE ONLY VALID
RESPONSE LAW ENFORCEMENT TODAY,
WAS TO THE SHOOTER WITH
VIOLENCE.
THESE NOT NECESSARILY
CORRELATION BETWEEN AREA SAFETY
OR CRIME HISTORY IN THE AREA
TURNED TO BEING VULNERABLE, ALL
PLACES WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE
GATHER IN NUMBERS ARE VULNERABLE
TO THIS TYPE OF ATTACK
UNFORTUNATELY.
JON: THE POLICE OFFICER DID THE
BEST THING HE COULD HAVE DONE.
HEARING THOSE GUNSHOTS AND
RESPONDING NOT WAITING FOR
BACKUP, NOT WAITING FOR THE SWAT
TEAM BUT TAKING ON GUNMAN ALL BY
HIMSELF.
>> IT’S A PROCESS FOR RESPONDING
TO AN ACTIVE SHOOTER, THE FIRST
OFFICER TEAM ON THE SCENE RESPONSE TO THE SHOOTER AND THE
RESPONSE TO THE SHOOTER AND THE
SECOND ONE FALLS AND THIRD, THEY
HAVE NO OTHER OBJECTIVE.
THEY GO PAST THE WOUNDED, THE
GET TO THE THREAT AND HAVE TO
STOP IT.
THIS PROTOCOL WAS LARGELY
DEVELOPED AFTER THE 1998
COLUMBINE SHOOTING WHERE AT THAT
TIME, YOU SAW THE PREVIOUS
IDEOLOGY WAS TO WAIT FOR A
TACKLE TEAM TO RESOLVE IT, THIS
WAS RESOLVED BY THE OFFICERS
THAT RESPOND SO BOTH LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ACROSS THE
KAT COUNTRY, THIS IS THE
RESPECTED RESPONSE TO ONE OF
THESE EVENTS AND THE ONLY
EFFECTIVE ONE.
JON: I DON’T KNOW IF YOU’VE SEEN
SOME OF THE VIDEO OUT THERE BUT
SOME OF THIS SHOOTING WAS
CAPTURED ON VIDEO.
THE WEAPON APPEARS TO BE A SEMI
AUTOMATIC RIFLE, WOULD YOU
AGREE? >> YES.
>> YES.
AND OF COURSE THE EFFECT IN THIS
THIS, PEOPLE OFTEN TIMES IN LAS
VEGAS SHOOTING FOR EXAMPLE,
BECAUSE THERE WERE BUMP STOCKS
USE, IT STORMED LIKE SEMIOTIC
WEAPONS, A SERIES OF EVENT,
THOSE THINGS WILL FIRE AS
RAPIDLY AS ONE CAN SQUEEZE THE
TRIGGER AND RAPIDFIRE IS
MASSIVELY OVERWHELMING BECAUSE
YOU ARE STILL HEARING THE RECOIL
OF THE FIRING THAT PRECEDED IT
SO IS PRETTY OVERWHELMING, IT
SOUNDS LIKE AUTOMATIC BUT IT’S A
SEMI AUTOMATIC WEAPON AND OF
COURSE THE CAPABILITY OF THESE
THINGS TO RELOAD AND THEIR ABILITY TO CARRY LARGE-SCALE
ABILITY TO CARRY LARGE-SCALE
MAGAZINES GIVES SINGLE PERSON
THE CAPABILITY DOING A LOT OF
DAMAGE SO THEREFORE, OBVIOUSLY
THE ONLY MEDICATION IS ANOTHER
ARMED PERSON LIKE LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
JON: THERE AGAIN, I HAD TO GET
ALL KINDS OF CREDIT TO THE
OFFICER WHO, JUST GUESSING, WAS
CARRYING ONLY SIDE ARM, A PISTOL
AND TOOK ON A GUY WITH A SEMI
AUTOMATIC RIFLE.
>> TRAIN PREVAILS AND A WINNING
ATTITUDE AND TRAINING COMBINED
IS WHAT ALLOWS SOMEBODY TO
SURVIVE AT AN EVENT LIKE THIS
AND BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THEIR
OBJECTIVE WHICH IS TO STOP THE
SHOOTER AND THANKFULLY, HE
PREVAILED TODAY, THANK GOD.
JON: ABSOLUTELY.
THERE ARE, YOU CAN SEE THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE MYSTIFIED AND PERHAPS TERRIFIED
MYSTIFIED AND PERHAPS TERRIFIED
BY WHAT WAS HAPPENING, THIS IS A
LARGE OUTDOOR MALL, SOME OF
THESE FOLKS WHO WERE USHERED OUT
OF THERE PROBABLY DIDN’T EVEN
KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED, PROBABLY
DIDN’T EVEN HEAR THE GUNSHOTS
BUT THOSE WHO DID COULD BE TRAUMATIZED FOR A LONG, LONG
TRAUMATIZED FOR A LONG, LONG
TIME.
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>> WE ARE TEACHING, WHAT WE HAVE
TO DO IS WE ARE OVERCOMING
BODY’S PHYSIOLOGICAL RESPONSE TO
HOSTILE GUNFIRE WHICH IS TO
FREEZE INITIALLY AND CONFUSION
THAT FOLLOWS.
SECOND, WE SHOULD BE
ANTICIPATING THAT WE HAVE A
LARGE GATHERING OF PEOPLE,
CULTURE, SHOPPING CENTERS, MOVIE
THEATERS WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME
EXPECTATION THIS IS POSSIBLE SO
THE ABILITY TO HAVE SAY SOMEBODY
WHO’S TRAIN, A LAW ENFORCEMENT
OFFICER OR MILITARY VETERAN, FOR
THIS COUNTER ASSAULT PURPOSE IS VERY BENEFICIAL.
VERY BENEFICIAL.
JON: AGAIN, THAT OFFICER DID A