ANSWERING THEIR QUESTIONS
ABOUT ALLEGED RUSSIAN
CONNECTIONS.
MARTHA.
>> Martha: ED, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
HERE WITH MORE IS JONATHAN
TURLEY, CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
ATTORNEY AND LAW
PROFESSORAT GEORGE WASHINGTON
UNIVERSITY.
ONE IS THE FOUR PAGE
DOCUMENT THAT CONGRESSMAN
PETER KING ENCOURAGED THE
RELEASE OF BECAUSE HE THINKS
THERE IS FISA ABUSE GOING ON
AT THE DOJ AND THE FBI
LEADING UP TO AND AFTER THE
ELECTION.
THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS THIS
GLENN SIMPSON’ DOCUMENT
WHICH EVERYBODY IS GOING
THROUGH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
FOUND INTERESTING HERE, IN
ADDITION TO WHAT ED JUST
SPOKE ABOUT, IS SIMPSON ON
TALKING TO BRUCE OHR, HE
SAID AND THIS IS AFTER THE
ELECTION, HE SAID WE WERE
FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, VERY
SCARED FOR THE COUNTRY AND
FOR OURSELVES AND FELT THAT
IF WE COULD GIVE IT TO
SOMEONE ELSE, WE SHOULD,
HIGHER UP.
AND SO CHRIS SUGGESTED,
CHRIS STEELE THAT I GIVE
SOME INFORMATION TO BRUCE,
WHO WAS AT DOJ, GIVE HIM THE
BACKGROUND ON ALL OF THIS
AND WE EVENTUALLY MET AT A
COFFEE SHOP AND I TOLD HIM
THE STORY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ALL OF
THAT JONATHAN?
>> WELL, THERE IS A LOT TO
BE CONCERNED ABOUT HERE IN
TERMS OF THE PROCESS.
FIRST OF ALL, THE QUESTION
IS WHY WOOL OHR STAND OUT AS
THE PERSON THAT THEY WANTED
TO GIVE THIS INFORMATION TO.
THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS ALSO
TESTIFIED THAT THEY
INTENTIONALLY LEAKED
MATERIAL FOR ELECTION
PURPOSES.
THIS DOSSIER ITSELF WAS
FUNDED BY THE DNC IN PART
AND THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN IN
PART.
IF THAT DOCUMENT WAS USED TO
GET IT OUT TO THE MEDIA, TO
TRY TO BALANCE THE BOOKS AS
HE SUGGESTS IN THE ELECTION,
AND THEN BECAME THE BASIS
FOR A FISA WARRANT, THAT
WOULD BE DEEPLY, DEEPLY
TROUBLING.
AND WHEN YOU ADD TO THAT
THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE IN
THE FBI THAT WERE VIEWED AS
BEING MORE RECEPTIVE TO
BRINGING THIS INFORMATION
INSIDE, THOSE RAISE
LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS.
AND SO.
>> Martha: WE KNOW THAT
BRUCE OHR’S JOB WAS
DOWNGRADED AND ELIMINATED
EVENTUALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
LEARNED ABOUT THE WAY
BEHAVED DURING THIS TIME,
CORRECT?
>> RIGHT.
I HAVE BEEN A CRITIC OF FISA
FOR MANY YEARS.
I WAS BACK IN FISA IN A
PREHISTORIC AGE IN THE
REAGAN ADMINISTRATION AS A
YOUNG INTERN.
I HAVE OPPOSED THAT COURT
BECAUSE THE STANDARDS ARE SO
LOW IN TERMS OF ENGAGING IN
SURVEILLANCE OF U.S.
CITIZENS.
SO IT ALWAYS RAISES ALARM
WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THE FISA
COURT AS OPPOSED TO A
REGULAR FEDERAL COURT TO
ENGAGE IN SURVEILLANCE.
IF YOU ADD TO THAT THAT THEY
USED DOSSIER, IF IT IS TRUE,
THAT WAS FUNDED BY A
POLITICAL CANDIDATE, AND A
POLITICAL PARTY AT THE DNC,
THE BASIS FOR THE FISA, YOU
ARE TALKING VERY SERIOUS
ALLEGATIONS.
NOW, WE DON’T KNOW FOR SURE,
THERE ARE OTHER SERIOUS
ALLEGATIONS HERE THAT SHOULD
CONCERN OTHERS.
THE SUGGESTION OF MONEY
LAUNDERING.
>> Martha: THAT’S WHAT I
JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU
ABOUT.
THE ISSUE OF MONEY
LAUNDERING THAT’S SOMETHING
THAT STEVE BANNON ALSO
RAISED IN THE BOOK.
HE SAID I THINK THIS IS
WHERE THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION IS GOING.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT?
>> I THINK HE MAY BE RIGHT
ABOUT THAT.
THAT MUELLER BROUGHT ON HIS
TEAM NOTABLY, A NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHOSE SPECIALTY IS TO
FOLLOW COMPUTER AND
FINANCIAL LINES.
WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN
SUBPOENAS GIVEN TO FOREIGN
BANKS.
THE MONEY LAUNDERING
ALLEGATIONS ARE VERY, VERY
SERIOUS, IF THEY’RE PROVEN
TO BE TRUE.
THE PROBLEM FOR THE TRUMP
WHITE HOUSE IS THAT THESE
ARE THE TYPES OF ALLEGATIONS
THAT REQUIRE YOU TO OPEN ALL
YOUR BOOKS.
THEY ARE THE WIDEST SCOPE
YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE FOR
FEDERAL INVESTIGATION.
SO, IF MUELLER BELIEVES THAT
THESE ARE CREDIBLE
ALLEGATIONS, WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT AN INVESTIGATION THAT
WILL EXPAND EXPONENTIALLY
FROM ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE.
>> Martha: YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS ALWAYS
THE CONCERN ABOUT A WIDENING
SCOPE OF THE INVESTIGATION
WHEN YOU BRING ON A SPECIAL
COUNSEL AND THE TRUMP FOLKS
HAVE LONG SAID THAT THEY
DON’T THINK LOOKING INTO
THESE FINANCIAL SIDE STORIES
FOUNDATIONAL QUESTION OF
WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ANY
COLLUSION BETWEEN ARE YOU RUSSID
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
THEY THINK IT MAY SUPPORT
THEIR ARGUMENT.
>> IT MAY BE TOO FLIGHT GET
THAT CAT TO WALK BACKWARDS.
THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE OUT
THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A
LOT OF BUSINESS DEALS THAT
THE RUSSIANS HAD -- THAT THE
TRUMP FAMILY AND BUSINESSES
HAD WITH THE RUSSIANS.
THEY HAVE ADMITTED THAT.
TRUMP’S OWN SON SAID THEY
HAD ACCESS TO LIKE
$100 MILLION IN RUSSIAN
FUNDS.
THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS
THAT WILL EASILY SUSTAIN THE
SPECIAL COUNSEL
INVESTIGATION.
NOW, THESE ARE JUST
ALLEGATIONS, YOU KNOW, JUST
SAYING THAT THERE IS A LOT
OF TURNOVER DEALS DOESN’T
MEAN IT’S MONEY LAUNDERING.
BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT
MUELLER CAN FOLLOW THAT
TRAIL AND IT COULD GO A LONG
WAY.
>> Martha: AND IT COULD TAKE
A VERY LONG TIME.