>>> WELCOME BACK TO "MORNING
JOE," A LIVE LOOK AT THE
CAPITOL, PRETTY NICE DAY IN D.C.
DOZENS OF PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE
COUNTRY GATHERED OUTSIDE A
WASHINGTON D.C. JAIL ON SATURDAY
TO PROTEST FOR THE RELEASE OF
PEOPLE CHARGED IN THE JANUARY
6th CAPITOL RIOT.
"THE WASHINGTON POST" REPORTS,
THE GROUP WAS PROTESTING ABOUT
50 PEOPLE BEING HELD IN THE JAIL
WHOM THEY CALLED NON-VIOLENT
AMERICAN PATRIOTS.
BUT ONE OF THOSE ALLEGED
PATRIOTS WILL FACE SENTENCING
LATER TODAY, THE FIRST UNDER
FELONY CHARGES.
JOINING US SCOTT McFARLANE WHOS
COVERING THE SENTENCING AND PLEA
BARGAINING HEARINGS TODAY FOR
THEIR CHARGES IN THE CAPITOL
INSURRECTION.
SCOTT YOU SAY TODAY IS A BIG
DAY.
FRAME IT OUT FOR US.
>> ITS THE PERFECT TEST CASE
TODAY, PAUL HOGEKINS OF FLORIDA
FACES SENTENCING WE COULD GET A
GOOD READ ON WHAT OTHERS COULD
FACE AFTER HEARING HIS SENTENCE.
HERES WHY.
THE FEDS SAY HE DIDNT ASSAULT
ANYONE OR BREAK ANYTHING INSIDE
THE CAPITOL.
BUT HE WAS IN THE CHAMBER WITH A
FLAG, AND THE POSSIBILITY OF
VIOLENCE WITH ROPE, GOGGLES AND
GLOVES.
PROSECUTORS ARE GOING TO ASK THE
JUDGE TO SENTENCE HIM TO 18
MONTHS IN PRISON TODAY.
LETS SEE WHAT THE JUDGE
DECIDES.
DOES HE SPARE HIM PRISON, OR
DOES HE GO HIGHER AND GIVE HIM
MORE PRISON TIME.
I CAN GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF THE
ARGUMENTS.
HOGEKINS IS GOING TO ASK FOR
LENIENCY SAYING HE SHOWED
COURAGE AND STRENGTH BY BEING
AMONG THE FIRST TO PLEAD GUILTY
AND DRAW AN ANALOGY TO THE CIVIL
WAR, THE LENIENCY GRANT SHOWED
LEE, AN INTERESTING CHOICE.
THE FEDS WILL ARGUE ABOUT THE
COLLECTIVE DAMAGE, THE
$1.4 MILLION IN DAMAGE TO THE
PROPERTY AT THE CAPITOL, THE
EMOTIONAL AND PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO
100 PLUS OFFERSICERS AND THEYRE
GOING TO SAY WHEN HE WALKED TO
THE CAPITOL, HE HAD 1.7 MILES TO
CHANGE HIS MIND AND HE DID NOT.
>> ELISE.
>> ELISE JORDAN HERE, SCOTT.
THIS INDIVIDUAL IS ONE OF SO
MANY WHO STORMED THE CAPITOL,
WHO DESTROYED PROPERTY, WHO
WIELDED, YOU KNOW, VIOLENT
WEAPONS.
MAYBE NOT IN HIS CASE, BUT THERE
JUST ISNT THOUGH -- DOESNT
SEEM LIKE THERES GOING TO BE
MUCH REPERCUSSIONS FOR WHAT
HAPPENED THAT DAY AND VERY FEW
INDIVIDUALS ARE ACTUALLY GOING
TO SERVE ANY TIME FOR THEIR ROLE
IN IT.
DO YOU THINK THAT ITS, AT THE
END OF THE DAY, A VERY HARD
THING TO PROSECUTE?
>> THERES ANOTHER TIER OF
DEFENDANTS WHO ARE, IN MY WORDS
HERE, HIGHER THAN PAUL HOGEKINS.
THERE ARE DEFENDANTS WHO ARE
ACCUSED OF ASSAULTING POLICE
WITH CHEMICAL SPRAY, BASEBALL
BATS, HOCKEY STICKS AND
SHARPENED FLAG POLLS.
SO HOGEKINS GIVES US A READ ON
WHETHER JUDGES ARE GOING TO TAKE
A FIRM OR SOFT LINE BASED ON
WHAT THE PROSECUTORS ARGUE.
BUT THERE ARE SO MANY MORE
FACING THE POSSIBILITY OF
SEVERAL YEARS OF PRISON.
THIS MAY BE A GOOD TEST CASE BUT
ITS NOT THE CEILING.
>> NBC 4 WASHINGTON
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER SCOTT
McFARLANE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>> AND REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS
INSIDE THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY
6th, THEY UNDERSTOOD THE REAL
DANGER DESPITE WHAT SOME OF THEM
SAY NOW.
"THE WASHINGTON POST" MAKES THIS
ARGUMENT IN A NEW PIECE BASED ON
THE REPORTING IN AN UPCOMING
BOOK BY WASHINGTON POST
JOURNALISTS.
DAN SULLIVAN OF ALASKA
REPORTEDLY CALLED THE JOINT
CHIEFS CHAIRMAN, MARK MILLEY, TO
WARN HIM THAT THE SITUATION IN
THE CAPITOL WAS REALLY FED UP
DOWN HERE.
MEANWHILE, SENATOR LINDSEY
GRAHAM REPORTEDLY CALLED IVANKA
TRUMP TO GET HER FATHER TO,
QUOTE, TELL THESE PEOPLE TO
LEAVE.
STAUNCH TRUMP SUPPORTER MADISON
CAWTHORN TOLD A PAPER THE DAY
AFTER THE ATTACK, I DONT WANT
TO EXAGGERATE HERE BUT IT WAS
THE CLOSEST IVE EVER BEEN
THINKING TO 9/11, THINKING A
MAJOR MONUMENT TO SUCCESS AND
PROSPERITY IS BEING ATTACKED BY
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SUBVERT IT.
THE NORTH CAROLINA REPUBLICAN
ADDED A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE
PROBABLY WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR
ME, BUT I CANT SUPPORT THAT.
WITH MORE ON THE ANALYSIS ON HOW
REPUBLICANS FELT AS THE CAPITOL
WAS OVERTAKEN BY ANGRY TRUMP
SUPPORTERS LETS BRING IN
PHILLIP BUMP.
THIS BACKS UP MY CULT ARGUMENT,
IM SORRY.
BUT THESE REPUBLICANS WHO WERE
THERE, WHO WERE BARRICADING
DOORS, FLEEING FOR THEIR LIVES.
PROBABLY MORE SCARED THAN
THEYVE EVER BEEN IN THEIR
LIVES.
WHO WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE
PEOPLE DIED, CAPITOL POLICE
OFFICERS DIED, RIOTERS DIED.
WHERE THERE WAS CHAOS, VIOLENCE,
AND THE AMERICAN FLAG WAS USED
TO PUMMEL AND TORTURE CAPITOL
COPS.
WHERE OUR DEMOCRACY WAS
INTERRUPTED AS IT WAS IN
PROCESS.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOW STANDING BY
TRUMP IN THEIR ARGUMENT THAT,
OH, NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT
YOU FOUND IN TERMS OF
REPUBLICANS WHO HAD VERY
DIFFERENT REACTIONS DAYS LATER
THAN THEY DID IN REAL TIME.
>> ITS REALLY QUITE FASCINATING
TO SEE, EVEN FOR THOSE WHO ARE
NOT ACTIVELY SAYING THIS IS NOT
AS BIG A DEAL AS MADE OUT TO BE.
THERES A LOT OF SILENCE AS
WELL.
A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT SAYING
HERES WHAT HAPPENED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD, THE
PIECE TO WHICH YOU REFER IS A
COMBINATION OF NEW REPORTING AND
OLD NEWS ARTICLES.
BUT YOU HAVE ALL SORTS OF
LEGISLATURES WHO IN THAT MOMENT
ARE REACTING STRONGLY AS ONE
WOULD EXPECT WITH AN ANGRY MOB
BEATING DOWN THE DOORS OF THE
CHAMBER.
LIZ CHENEY TELLING OFF JIM
JORDAN, A STRONG TRUMP ALLY.
SAYING HE WAS TO BLAME FOR IT.
MITT ROMNEY ON THE SENATE SIDE
DOING THE SAME TO SOME OF HIS
COLLEAGUES, INCLUDING JOSH
HAWLEY.
KELLYANNE CONWAY REPORTED
CALLING TRUMP HEY YOU HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
THERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE IN
THE MOMENT SAYING THIS IS A
CRISIS THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
WHO THEN, DAYS OR WEEKS LATER,
ARE SITTING MUTE OR ACTIVELY
SUPPORTING THE IDEA -- THERES A
FAMOUS FOE
FAMOUS PHOTO OF REPRESENTATIVE
CLIVE HELPING TO BARRICADE THE
DOOR, SHOUTING, AND WHO LATER
SAID IT WAS A NORMAL TOURIST
VISIT.
>> PERHAPS THE MOST FAMOUS
EXAMPLE WAS GOP McCARTHY WHO WAS
ON A PHONE CALL WITH TRUMP
SAYING THESE ARE YOUR SUPPORTERS
TELL THEM TO STOP.
THE TWO MEN GOT IN A HEATED BACK
AND FORTH EXCHANGE AND THEN
LATER McCARTHY SIDED WITH TRUMP.
SPEAKING OF KEVIN McCARTHY, WE
BELIEVE HES GOING TO BE
ANNOUNCING GOP REPRESENTATIVES
FOR SPEAKER PELOSIS SELECT
COMMITTEE ON THE EVENTS OF THAT
DAY.
WHAT ARE YOU ANTICIPATING?
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING, REPORTING
AS TO WHO MIGHT BE ON THERE?
IF NOT PARTICULAR NAMES, WHAT
ARE THE BROAD THEMES?
IS THIS GOING TO CONTINUE THE
TREND, REPUBLICANS WHITEWASHING
AND DOWN PLAYING WHAT HAPPENED?
>> THATS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE.
THE FACT THAT LEADER McCARTHY
HIMSELF, WHO IS REPORTED BY A
MEMBER OF HIS OWN CAUCUS TO HAVE
BEEN TOLD BY THE PRESIDENT THAT
HE DIDNT LOVE HIS COUNTRY
ENOUGH, WHICH IS A MIND BOGGLING
THING WEVE HEARD IT FOR MONTHS
BUT WERE USED IT TO IT BY NOW
BUT THERES NO POLITICAL
IMPETUS, THIS GOES TO MIKAS
POINT, THERES NO IMPETUS FOR
KEVIN McCARTHY TO TAKE A STRONG
STAND AGAINST DONALD TRUMP RIGHT
NOW, BEYOND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
RISING UP SAYING THIS IS
SOMETHING WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
THERE REMAINS CONFIDENCE IN
DONALD TRUMP AND REMAINS A LOT
OF INTEREST IN MOVE PAST THIS AS
WELL, RECOGNIZING THE OBVIOUSLY
MORE PROBLEMATIC ASPECTS OF IT.
BUT KEVIN McCARTHY IS NOT GOING
TO PUT FORWARD PEOPLE WHO HE
THINKS ARE GOING TO TAKE A
CRITICAL EYE TOWARDS PRESIDENT
TRUMPS BEHAVIOR OR THE
REPUBLICANS BEHAVIOR.
I DONT THINK HES GOING TO
NOMINATE MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE
WHO SAID SHES GOING TO
SUBMARINE IT IF SHE CAN.
BUT MAYBE JIM JORDAN, WHO HOLDS
LEADERSHIP POSITIONS BUT IS NOT
GOING TO BE THERE TRYING TO MAKE
THE COMMISSION SUCCESSFUL.
>> "THE WASHINGTON POSTS"
PHILLIP BUMP THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
TOMORROW WERE JOINED BY CAROL
LENOG AND PHILLIP RUTKER.
THE TWO STORIES WE FRAMED AT THE
TOP, TWO STRAINS, THATS
COVID-19 AND THE JANUARY 6th
INSURRECTION, THATS WHAT IT
WAS, AND IN BOTH CASES, WHAT
YOURE SEEING IS MASSIVE GROUPS
OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING OUR LEADERS
AND HOSTS ON FOX AND OTHER TRUMP