AMONG THEM AMY KLOBUCHAR AND WITH ME KARA FISHER WHO IS
SITTING DOWN WITH THE SENATOR
TOMORROW AT THE BIG EVENT.
YOUR INTERVIEW COMES AS A TIME
WHEN KLOBUCHAR IS FACING
SCATHING CRITICISM SURROUNDING
HOW SHE TREATS HER STAFF.
AND THE ATLANTA PUT OUT THE
ANGER OF AMY COLOR CHAR AND SAID
THE SENATOR HAS NOT DISPUTED THE
SPECIFICS SEEKING TO FRAME THE
BEHAVIOR AS PART OF THE HIGH
EXPECTATIONS SHE HAS OF HERSELF
AND HER STAFF.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
EXPLANATION.
EXPLANATION. UNTIL NOW I’VE SAID WOULD WE BE
ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS IF IT
WAS A STRONG, SMART, TOUGH MAN?
>> I THINK WOMEN VO WHO ARE
TOUGH BOSSES OR IN THIS CASE
SOME OF THE STORIES ARE PRETTY
BAD, DO GET A HARDER TIME THAN
MEN DO.
MEN DO. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT
IS STILL NOT A GOOD BOSS.
IT IS STILL AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
SO I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT,
AND WHAT IT MEANS AND WE COULD
TALK ABOUT THE SEXISM AND I
THINK THERE IS CRITICISM AND NO
MATTER THE GENDER PEOPLE SHOULD
FACE THOSE QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY
IF SHE IS RUNNING FOR FREZPRESID
HE DON’T WANT TO DWELL ON IT AND
THE COMB AND SALAD EATING THING
AND BUT I THINK THAT MEANS I’M
INTERESTING IN POLICY AND TECH
AND SHE OPENED WHEN SHE
ANNOUNCED ABOUT ISSUES AROUND
TECH AND SHE’S BEEN VERY
OUTFRONT COMPARED TO OTHER
POLITICIANS ON THE IDEA OF
REGULATING BIG TECH AND I WANT
TO ASK HER ABOUT THE DROPOUTS IN
THE CAMPAIGN LIKE SHERROD BROWN
AND I’LL ASK HER ABOUT TRUMP AND
HOW SHE’LL FACE HIM AND THE WAY
TO DO THAT.
SHE’S RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT SO
SHE SHOULD FACE TOUGH QUESTIONS.
>> STAY ON THE BIG TECH THING
WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.
SHE SAID IN THAT ANNOUNCEMENT
SPEECH, WHEN IT COMES TO DIGITAL
PRIVACY, WE’VE GOT YOUR BACK.
WHAT DOES SHE MEAN BY THAT?
AND IS IT A BIG PRIORITY FOR
VOTER?
VOTER? WE KNOW IT SHOULD BE BUT IF YOU
LOOK AT FACEBOOK, WE LOOKED AT
ALL OF THE WRONGDOING ON
FACEBOOK OVER THE LAST YEAR AND
STILL THEY HAVEN’T TAKEN A BIG
HIT IN USER GROWTH.
>> WELL NOT YET.
LOOK AT WHAT MARK ZUCKERBERG
ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY.
ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY. HE HAS A MONEY-MAKING MONEY AND
HE WOULDN’T PIVOT INTO BECOMING
SNAPCHAT IF HE THOUGHT THINGS
WERE GOING WELL.
I HAVE A COLUMN IN "THE NEW YORK
TIMES" TALKING ABOUT WHY I THINK
HE DID THAT.
BUT, NO, I THINK REGULATORY
ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT NO MATTER
WHEN VOTERS WANT TO DEAL WITH
THEM OR NOT.
IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT THE SEXIEST
CAMPAIGN ISSUE BUT AT THE SAME
TIME IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT
TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO
REGULATE BIG TECH AND KEEP UP
INNOVATION AND START-UP GROWTH
AND THE JOBS THAT CREATE IN THIS
COUNTRY AND I’M HERE AT SOUTH BY
SOUTHWEST AND BESIDES EATING
BARBECUE, THERE ARE START-UPS
THAT WE TALK ABOUT AND THE
INNOVATION GROWTH IS VERY SLOW
IN THIS COUNTRY.
START-UP GROWTH IS VERY SLOW IN
THIS COUNTRY OVER THE PAST FEW
YEARS SO HOW DO WE KEEP THAT
GOING AND AT THE SAME TIME DEAL
WITH THESE MASSIVE COMPANIES
THAT HAVE UNTOLD POWER AND
UNTOLD MONEY AND ARE REALLY
DAMPENING INNOVATION.
DAMPENING INNOVATION. >> BECAUSE THEY CONTROL IT ALL.
THE NEW YORK TIMES IS REPORTING
THAT ANOTHER 2020 HOPEFUL
ELIZABETH WARREN WILL PROPOSE A
NEW PLAN TO TAKE ON TECH.
AND THEY SAID THE PROPOSAL CALLS
FOR THE POIXT OF REGULATORS WHO
WILL UNWIND TECH MERGERS THAT
STIFLE COMPETITION AND FORCE THE
ROLLBACK OF SOME ACQUISITIONS BY
TECH GIANTS LIKE FACEBOOK AND
WHAT’S APP AND INSTAGRAM AND
AMAZON’S ACQUISITION OF WHOLE
FOODS.
FOODS. WE KNOW ELIZABETH WARREN HASN’T
MET A REGULATION SHE DOESN’T
LIKE BUT WILL THIS ONE MAKE
SENSE.
SENSE. >> THEY WON’T ROLL BACK
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT IS A QUESTION OF WHAT THEY
COULD BUY IN THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK SHE IS SHOOTING --
THAT IS HER FIRST PLAY HERE.
IS TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE AND I
THINK THAT IS SMART FOR HER.
AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE -- MANY,
MANY POLITICIANS GOING FOR THE
HARDER STANCE.
HARDER STANCE. AND THEN WE’LL SEE WHAT WE
SHOULD DO.
SHOULD DO. I THINK THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH
SHOULD THESE COMPANIES BE
REGULATED AND AT THE VERY BOTTOM
THEY HAVE TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT
PRIVACY REGULATION WITH TEETH IN
IT.
IT. THAT IS THE VERY FIRST STEP.
AND THEN THE QUESTION OF DATA
THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BUY AND DATA
TO TRADE AND HOW THEY SHOULD BE
BEHAVING AS CORPORATE CITIZENS.
MICROSOFT WAS -- UNDERWENT
ANTI-TRUST SCRUTINY AND OTHER
COMPANIES WILL THE SAME GOING
FORWARD.
FORWARD. MANY ANTI-TRUST IS THE WAY A LOT
OF THIS WILL WORK OUT RATHER
THAN LEGISLATION BUT IT IS
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. >> KARA, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
KARA DOWN IN AUSTIN, TEXAS FOR
SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST.
>>> MARIA TERESA AND PEGGY WITH
ME.
ME. AND WE HAVE AMY KLOBUCHAR AND
HOWARD SHULTS IS GIVING HIS
SPEECH AND WHAT IS THE MOST
IMPORTANT UNIFYING MESSAGE AND
DO THEY HAVE A UNIFYING MESSAGE.
>> RIGHT NOW IT IS A SCRUM OF
PEOPLE AND 12 OR 13 AND HOW MANY
ARE WAITING TO TEE UP.
I THINK WHAT EACH OF THE KAENDSS
AT SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST TRYING TO
DO IS DISTINGUISH HERSELF AND
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. I’M DIFFERENT FROM THE PACK.
I STAND FOR THINGS THAT YOU
BELIEVE ARE NEEDED RIGHT NOW.
AND DISTINGUISHING YOURSELF IS
WHAT DO YOU 18 MONTHS OUT.
>> BUT IN TERMS OF
DISTINGUISHING YOURSELF, IS ONE
OF THE ISSUES THAT THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS SO DIVIDED.
WE HEAR THEM SAY OUR PRIORITY IS
TO DEFEAT PRESIDENT TRUMP BUT
YOU HAVE VERY DIFFERENT IDEOLOGY
AND THAT IS WHY HOWARD SCHULTZ
IS SAYING HE CAN’T FIT THERE.
>> AND IT IS INTERESTING.
THE DEMOCRATS, IT IS FOR THEM TO
LOSE IN MANY WAYS.
YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE VERY MUCH
ALIGNED WITH WHAT THEY’RE SEEING
COMING OUT OF THE ADMINISTRATION
AND IT IS NOT SITTING WELL WITH
THEM.
THEM. THE TRUMP --
>> THE TRUMP APPROVAL RATING IS
UP.
UP. >> IN CERTAIN SECTORS, YES.
ABSOLUTELY.
ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE INTERESTING PART IS THAT
YOU HAVE AT THE SAME TIME -- YOU
HAVE THE INDIVIDUALS BATTLING
OUT THE IDEAS FOR THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY WITHIN THE TENT.
PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH HOWARD
SCHULTZ IS THAT HE -- IN ORDER
FOR HIM TO WIN AND INCREASE HIS
APPROVAL RATINGS IS TO DIS
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THAT
MAKES DONALD TRUMP STRONGER.
SO AS -- AS AN ANALYST, THE MORE
THE DEMOCRATS BATTLE UPON IDEAS
AND THE BEST PERSON THAT COMES
ONE THAT LITANY OF IDEAS THAT
WINS THE HEARTS AND MINDS, THAT
IS WHAT WILL MAKE THEM STRONGER.
WHAT HAS NOT HAPPENED IN EITHER
PARTY IN A LONG TIME IS A BATTLE
OF IDEAS OF WHAT WE’LL DO TO
MOVE THE COUNTRY FORWARD AND
MOST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,
THEY ARE SEEKING BIG AUDACIOUS
PLANS AND THE PERSON WHO CAN
COME UP WITH BIG AUDACIOUS PLANS
WINS.
WINS. THE FACT THAT ELIZABETH WARREN
IS AT SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST, WHICH
IS MORE THAN ANYTHING A -- A
TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE AND
SAYING, LOOKING YOU NEED TO BE
REGULATED BY FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE
AND GOOGLE, THAT SAYS I’M NOT
AFRAID OF YOU AND I’M GOING TO
HAVE THE BACKS OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. IT’S CURIOUS.
IT’S CURIOUS. >> WHO IS DONALD TRUMP MOST
AFRAID OF RUNNING AGAINST?
>> I DON’T KNOW.
WHO HAS HE BEEN TWEETING ABOUT
MOST?
MOST? >> I WOULD SAY BETO O’ROARKE.
THE REASON IS BECAUSE THAT’S
THE -- THERE ARE DIFFERENT PORTS
OF ENTRY ACROSS THE BORDER.