>>> NOW, I WEAR IT FOR THE
REASON THAT I BELIEVE IT IS
EFFECTIVE.
IT IS NOT 100% EFFECTIVE.
I MEAN IT IS SORT OF RESPECT FOR
ANOTHER PERSON AND HAVE THAT
OTHER PERSON RESPECT YOU.
YOU WEAR A MASK, THEY WEAR A
MASK, YOU PROTECT EACH OTHER.
I MEAN I DO IT WHEN I’M IN THE
PUBLIC FOR THE REASONS THAT, A,
I WANT TO PROTECT MYSELF AND
PROTECT OTHERS, AND ALSO BECAUSE
I WANT TO MAKE IT BE SIMPLE FOR
PEOPLE TO SEE THAT THAT’S THE
KIND OF THING YOU SHOULD BE
DOING.
>> DR. FAUCI SAYING WEAR YOUR
MASK OUTSIDE.
JOINING US NOW PRESIDENT AND CEO
OF THE ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON
FOUNDATION, DR. RICHARD BOESER,
FORMER DIRECTOR OF CDC AND
APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR PHIL
MURPHY TO A BOARD COORDINATING
THE REOPENING.
ALSO WITH US, ASSISTANT
PROFESSOR AT HARVARD SCHOOL OF
PUBLIC HEALTH, JOSEPH ALLEN, WHO
IS LOOKING AT AIRBORNE
TRANSMISSION OF THE VIRUS.
GENTLEMEN, GOOD MORNING TO YOU
BOTH.
PROFESSOR, I WILL START WITH
YOU.
YOUR PIECE ABOUT AIRBORNE
TRANSMISSION, WE KNOW ABOUT THE
DROPLETS.
IT IS WHY WE WEAR THE MASK, IT
IS WHY WE MAINTAIN THAT SIX FEET
OF SOCIAL DISTANCING.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY AIRBORNE
TRANSMISSION BECAUSE THIS HAS
NEW IMPLICATIONS FOR HOW IT
COULD BE SPREAD AND PERHAPS HOW
FAR WE ACTUALLY NEED TO BE AWAY
FROM EACH OTHER.
>> YES.
I’LL LAY IT OUT LIKE THIS, CDC
AND W.H.O. HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT
TO ACKNOWLEDGE AIRBORNE
TRANSMISSION IS HAPPENING
DESPITE EVIDENCE GOING TO
FEBRUARY THIS IS THE CASE.
WE KNOW A LARGE DROPLET IS
IMPORTANT AND THAT’S WHY WE HAVE
PHYSICAL DISTANCE.
THIS IS WHY YOU CLEAN AND
DISINFECT SURFACE BUT THEY’VE
IGNORED AIRBORNE TRANSMISSION.
LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE TO
HIGHLIGHT HOW IT IS HAPPENING.
I HAVE DONE FORENSIC
INVESTIGATIONS OF SICK BUILDINGS
FOR TEN YEARS.
CHOIR PRACTICE, 60 PEOPLE, THEY
GOT SICK AND TWO DIED.
IT BECOMES AIRBORNE HAPPENED
THERE.
WAS IT CONTAMINATED SURFACES?
UNLIKELY.
WAS IT LARGE DROPLET?
MAYBE IT CONTRIBUTED BUT IF I
WAS A SINGER I WOULD INFECT THE
PEOPLE AROUND ME.
YOU CAN’T GET PEOPLE 50 PEOPLE
INFECTED UNLESS AIRBORNE IS
PLAYING A ROLE THERE.
HERE IS WHAT TIPPED ME OFF AND
CAUGHT MY EYE FROM DOING FOR
ENSECOND INVESTIGATIONS.
THE CHOIR PRACTICE HAPPENED AT
6:30 TO 9:00 P.M. AT NIGHT.
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN
BUILDINGS AT THAT HOUR?
THEY TURN OFF THE VENTILATION
SYSTEM.
THERE’S CLEAR TELLTALE SIGNS
THERE THAT AIRBORNE IS
HAPPENING.
I DON’T UNDERSTAND THE RELUCTANT
TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT.
WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT IF WE
ARE GOING TO PUT IN THE
APPROPRIATE CONTROLS GET THE
PANDEMIC UNDER CONTROL BEFORE A
VACCINE.
>> PROFESSOR, ON BEHALF OF ALL
OF MY VIEWERS I WILL ASK YOU THE
QUESTION.
WHAT DO I DO WITH THAT
INFORMATION?
I THOUGHT I HAD TO STAY SIX FEET
APART, I THOUGHT I HAD TO WEAR
THE MASK AND IT WAS SAFER TO GO
OUTSIDE AND HAVE A BIT OF A
SUMMER.
WHAT DO I DO WITH THIS
INFORMATION THAT IT COULD BE
LINGERING IN THE AIR AROUND US?
>> YES, SO I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND
THAT.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, HOW
TO PUT IN THESE CONTROLS.
FIRST STEP IS TO RECOGNIZE IT IS
HAPPENING, THEN WHAT WE HAVE TO
DO IS STAY SMART.
HERE IS AN ACRONYM FOR YOU,
SMART.
STAY HOME IF YOU CAN, ESPECIALLY
IF SICK.
"M", MASK WHEN OUT.
"A", AVOID LARGE GROUPS AND
GATHERINGS.
"R", REFRESH THE INDOOR AIR.
"T", TEN FEET IS BETTER THAN
SIX.
FOR DROPLETS IT IS SIX FEET, BUT
THE FURTHER YOU ARE AWAY BETTER.
IT IS SIMPLE.
STAY SMART.
WE CAN PUT IN THESE CONTROLS.
FIRST STEP IS TO RECOGNIZE THIS,
AND THEN I THINK WE KNOW WHAT WE
CAN DO AND PUT IT ON OURSELVES
AND BUILDING OWNERS AND SCHOOLS
AND EVERYONE ELSE TO PUT IN THE
APPROPRIATE CONTROLS.
>> DR. BOESER, MIKE BARNACLE IS
HERE.
HE HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
MIKE.
>> YES.
DOCTOR, WILLIE JUST RAISED A
QUESTION MANY PEOPLE ASK AND ONE
OF MANY QUESTIONS THAT SEEMINGLY
ARE UNANSWERABLE ABOUT THE
VIRUS.
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WE ARE ON
THE VERGE OF A POLITICAL,
CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC QUESTION
THAT HAS TO BE ANSWERED SOON.
IT IS ABOUT SENDING OUR CHILDREN
BACK TO SCHOOL, ESPECIALLY
YOUNGER CHILDREN, K-6 OR
WHATEVER.
HOW DO WE DO THIS?
HOW DO WE SIT HERE KNOWING THAT
OUR CHILDREN ARE GOING OFF TO
SCHOOL IN LATE AUGUST OR
SEPTEMBER AND THAT THERE WILL
BE -- THEY WILL BE SAFE?
HOW DO WE DO THIS?
>> YOU KNOW, MIKE, THIS IS A
REALLY CHALLENGING ISSUE.
WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT
CHILDREN DO NEED TO GET BACK TO
SCHOOL, THAT THERE ARE MAJOR
COSTS IN TERMS OF THEIR
DEVELOPMENT, THEIR EDUCATION IN
NOT BEING IN SCHOOL FOR MANY
CHILDREN.
THERE’S NUTRITION, JUST NOT
GETTING ENOUGH TO EAT BY NOT
BEING IN SCHOOL.
IT HAS TO BE BASED ON THE BEST
PUBLIC HEALTH SCIENCE.
THERE IS INFORMATION FROM OTHER
COUNTRIES AS CHILDREN HAVE BEEN
GOING BACK TO SCHOOL TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN BE DONE, BUT
IT TAKES A NATIONAL COMMITMENT.
NOW WITH 100,000 PEOPLE WHO HAVE
DIED, SUCH A STRIKING,
OVERWHELMING NUMBER, WE HAVE TO
RECOMMIT TO DOING THE PUBLIC
HEALTH WORK, THE STEPS OF
WEARING MASKS, SOCIAL
DISTANCING, WASHING HANDS,
KEEPING PEOPLE HOME WHEN THEY’RE
SICK.
YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH SCHOOLS,
JUST LIKE WITH BUSINESSES, DOING
SOME KIND OF SCREENING.
SO A HEALTH QUESTIONNAIRE AND A
TEMPERATURE CHECK WHEN KIDS COME
TO SCHOOL.
THE BIGGEST RISK FOR SCHOOL
ISN’T TO THE KIDS BECAUSE,
THANKFULLY, MOST CHILDREN WHO
GET THIS WILL DO WELL.
I AM A PEDIATRICIAN AND IT HELPS
ME SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THAT.
BUT TEACHERS, STAFF, ALL OF THE
PEOPLE WHO WORK AT SCHOOLS, MANY
LOWER INCOME WORKERS WHO ARE AT
SCHOOLS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY’RE PROTECTED, THAT
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT PROTECTIVE
EQUIPMENT.
THAT IF THEY’RE NOT ABLE TO WORK
AT SCHOOL THEY ARE STILL GETTING
PAID.
SO MANY PEOPLE IN AMERICA RIGHT
NOW ARE HAVING TO MAKE THE
CHOICE BETWEEN GOING TO WORK IN
ORDER TO EARN INCOME TO PUT FOOD
ON THE TABLE OR STAYING HOME AND
DOING THINGS TO PROTECT
THEMSELVES AND THEIR COMMUNITY.
AS THE ECONOMY REVs UP WE HAVE
TO MAKE SURE THAT ISN’T A BIND
SO MANY PEOPLE ARE PUT IN.
>> DR. BOESER, WE HEARD A BIT OF
THE INTERVIEW WITH DR. FAUCI
YESTERDAY.
ALSO IN THAT INTERVIEW HE BEGAN
TO SAY HE’S CAUTIOUSLY
OPTIMISTIC PERHAPS THAT THE FALL
MAY NOT BE AS BAD AS SOME HAD
PREDICTED.
I GUESS WHAT HE SAID ACTUALLY
WAS THAT IF WE CONTINUE TO
BEHAVE RESPONSIBLY IT IS NOT
INEVITABLE WE HAVE A BAD FALL AS
SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE PREDICTED.
WHAT CAN WE DO AS A COUNTRY AS
PEOPLE BEGIN TO STEP BACK OUT OF
THEIR HOMES AFTER TWO MONTHS
EFFECTIVELY IN LOCKDOWN AND
START TO ENJOY THE SUMMER AND GO
TO BEACHES AND STEP OUT AND GO
TO RESTAURANTS, HOW SHOULD
PEOPLE BE THINKING ABOUT THEIR
OVER BEHAVIOR THIS SUMMER TO
PERHAPS STEM WHAT MANY HAVE
PREDICTED COULD BE A BAD FALL
AGAIN?
>> YES, ONE OF THE REASONS,
WILLIE, IT IS HARD TO PREDICT
WHAT THE FALL IS GOING TO LOOK
LIKE IS SO MUCH IS DEPENDENT ON
WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO.
WE CAN’T CONTROL WHETHER THE
VIRUS DECIDES IT IS COMING BACK
STRONG AS WEATHER GETS COLD, BUT
WE CAN DECIDE ARE WE GOING TO DO
THOSE THINGS FOR OURSELVES TO
ENSURE WE ARE REDUCING OUR RISK
AND OUR RISK TO OTHERS?
WITH REWEARING MASKSWE WEARING M
THOSE AROUND US?
ARE WE GOING TO TAKE THE STEPS
TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IN AMERICA
HAS THAT PROTECTION.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, BLACK
AMERICANS, LATINO AMERICANS,
NATIVE AMERICANS, DYING AT VERY
HIGH RATES.
WHY DO WE TAKE THAT AS
ACCEPTABLE?
WHY AREN’T WE ENSURING THAT
EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, THAT
PEOPLE HAVE MONEY TO STAY HOME
IF THEY’RE SICK AND TO TAKE CARE
OF THEIR FAMILY SO THEY’RE NOT
BEING FORCED INTO THESE
SITUATIONS?
IT IS A DECISION WE HAVE TO
MAKE.
WE PUT OUT THESE HEALTH EQUITY
PRINCIPLES TO PROVIDE SOME
GUIDANCE TO STATES SO THEY’RE
WORKING WITH THE MOST AFFECTED
COMMUNITIES, THEY’RE ADDRESSING
THESE NEEDS AND BARRIERS.
WE TALK ABOUT TESTING AND
TRACKING, BUT THE CRITICAL PIECE
WE DON’T SPEND ENOUGH TIME
TALKING ABOUT IS THE QUARANTINE
AND ISOLATION.
HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT EVERYONE
IN AMERICA WHO IS INFECTED OR
HAS HAD CONTACT WITH SOMEONE WHO
IS INFECTED HAS A SAFE PLACE TO
BE SO THAT THEY DON’T INFECT
OTHERS?
THAT’S BEEN THE KEY IN SO MANY
COUNTRIES, IS WHEN THEY IDENTIFY
SOMEONE WHO COULD SPREAD IT THEY
TAKE THEM OUT OF CIRCULATION IN
A WAY THAT’S SUPPORTIVE, THAT’S
CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE SOME
THEY’RE SAFE.
WE’RE NOT DOING THAT.
WE ARE SAYING, HEY, YOU ARE
INFECTED, GO HOME AND DON’T
INFECT OTHER PEOPLE.
THAT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT SO
MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO DO.
>> IT IS A DIFFICULT TO DO ON
THE SCALE OF A COUNTRY OUR SIZE
BUT IT IS A WORTHY GOAL.
DR. RICHARD BOESER, THANK YOU.
DR. JOSEPH ALLEN, THANK YOU AS
WELL.
HE IS ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT
HARVARD SCHOOL OF HEALTH AND HIS
NEW PIECE IS IN "THE WASHINGTON
POST".
GENTLEMEN, THANKS AS ALWAYS.
>>> IN A HALF HOUR WE ARE
EXPECTING A NEW RECORD HIGH IN
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SEEKING
JOBLESS BENEFITS IN THIS
COUNTRY, POSSIBLY ABOUT 40
MILLION. WE WILL BRING YOU THE NEW REPORT