I'm from downstate terrorism is flying planes
into buildings this is just murder as far as I'm concerned.
>> That is Michael Kors check the D A of Broome County talking about
the buffalo mass shooting saying the idea that, that would be terrorism.
No, terrorism is when Muslim now I look, I don't know what's in his heart,
but the idea that something happening here where a person.
Who apparently is being like inspired by their political conspiracy theory goes and
commits an act of mass violence against the civilian population
to terrify people to influence our politics.
Look, I mean, I only spent half a decade in political science academia so
what do I know?
But I kind of feel like that's the dictionary definition of
terrorism the idea that just because this guy used a gun,
you're not counting it that seems weird to me but Jessica, what do you think?
>> Yeah, because he used a gun because he was in the United States because he was
white because the people who were dying were not majorly white.
It's pretty clear where a lot of these people stand when it comes to this and
this was clearly an act of violence committed for political purposes and
it caused a lot of terror pretty straightforward it was a terrorist attack.
>> Seems to me,
let's give him a little bit more more of a chance to make his case serious.
>> This is just murder as far as I'm concerned, it is terrorism because you're
terrorizing the community and it was racially motivated.
We believe at this point in time but, from the D A's perspective,
crime is crime and whether you whatever your motive for doing it.
Your motive is you're you're an evil person and that's why you're doing it so,
I mean, I really don't get into what's terrorism and what's not terrorism,
it's crime.
>> But you did though you just did you just said that it wasn't, except, well,
I guess you're terrorizing the community well, what is terrorism then?
You seem to think it is, but not in a way that should matter or
influence the investigation it is an act of politically inspired
violence against the civilian population.
Look, if this isn't it, then let's just not have terrorism be a thing let's not
have that be a term let's not talk about it anymore.
You could make the case may be, but that clearly is what's going on e do label
other sorts of attacks as terrorism we do that for reasons, depending on who we are.
There's clearly a reason for that so
why in this case, you'd carve it out and say that it's just evil.
I can't even say that I'm confused about that because I feel like it is pretty
clear, gets back to what you were saying, Jessica the idea that you would say,
let's not think critically about this.
Let's not get into how this might be political or
how others might interpret it or use it or carry out similar attacks in the future.
Let's just use the word evil that's it I will agree I think that if the word evil
means anything, it very accurately depicts this as well, but the idea that this is
just evil and that's as far as we should think into it, that seems opportunistic.
That seems like it is shielding potentially a fruitful,
analysis of what's going on here but Jessica give me your thoughts yeah.
>> Using soft language, when it comes to describing this is dangerous,
it normalizes it and only going into what happened at a very shallow level.
Is also dangerous, and also normalizes it to say that this was racially motivated
and evil I'm sorry, it doesn't accurately describe what happened.
This person wrote a manifesto where he made very clear that he's very
worried about white replacement theory.
Very much believes in white replacement theory and
this is because he believes in white nationalism.
He had, fascist, symbols written on the gun that he used
this was a right wing extremist fascist who believes in white
nationalism that's a lot more than just this was an evil
racially motivated act it's a lot deeper than that.
>> Yeah and look again, I don't know this person this isn't like a comment from
a Ted Cruz, where I've heard a lot of what they've had to say in the positions
they've held, but like, you got to do better.
Like you're the D A like you are in a position of authority, a position of
responsibility generally a position of respect whether or earned or not like.
You're going to be asked questions like this, you should do a bit of thinking
about it if you're gonna be involved in these investigations.
Now I will give you some updates on what's going on a grand jury as of this morning
has indicted the suspect on a first degree murder charge.
The FBI is also currently looking at this potentially as a hate crime
potentially again because there's no common sense in their society anymore.
So anyway they say it might be racially motivated gee do you think as you point
out yes it had those symbols and stuff like that on the weapon.
There was also the manifesto but we can't say for
sure these are all allegations at this point.
In any event other updates, the attorney general of new York Leticia James is
gonna be investigating some social media platforms where the stream of this
attack was available including twitch for Chan and twitter a chance as well.
Apparently millions have now seen the shooting although only 22 actually
watched it live twitch removed the stream after only two minutes.
So very quickly they jumped on it and
got rid of it t took Facebook 10 hours dead 10 hours is time for
the news to break, spread over social media.
Everyone to start to learn about it multiple cable news shows to do they're
like quarterly updates on the investigation, an entire night of prime
time analysis and coverage to happen and then they take it down I guess.
Anyway Leticia James says the fact that an individual can pose detailed plans to
commit such an act of hate without consequence and
then stream it for the world to see is bone chilling and unfathomable.
I will say in terms of it, having been like the manifesto being posted earlier,
I have no idea how reasonable it is to say that someone should have found it.
If you put something like that in google docs do I want google to be analyzing
everything that you put up in real time to immediately alert the authorities.
That seems potentially problematic so, I don't know about that part of it
the idea that they would leave the stream up for so long though that seems.
I feel like if I were to use baby shark in one of my videos,
I feel like Facebook would jump on that a little bit quicker.
I feel like when they want to they can take things down I get updates,,
from stuff on the network that has copyright strikes or whatever I don't
think that takes weeks to take down so I don't know Jessica but what do you think?
>> Yeah, intellectual property getting more protections than people spreading
dangerous violent rhetoric and committing acts of violence on livestream.
I remember within those 10 hours I saw on Twitter, someone said, Hey the video
is still up and if you reported it, you would get this message that said.
We've reviewed this and we've determined that it doesn't violate our guidelines and
if it disturbs, you can block the user etcetera so who was that moderator?
Was it a human?
Was it an algorithm?
We need some accountability for whoever that moderator was ho said this is fine.
>> Yeah and I don't know there's a lot about this I don't know I'm
gonna make it not gonna make a lot of absolute statements about
what I would expect people in real time to necessarily do.
The thing that I'm focusing on here is the 10 hours because that's not
a snap judgment you need to make.
That is time for multiple levels of bureaucracy to fail and
then be replaced by another one in the area of snap judgments though.
And I just saw someone mention this on the chat the 911 dispatcher has been
placed on administrative leave termination will be sought.
The store employee who initially called in the attack says she hung up on her during
the shooting saying, quote, she was yelling at me saying,
why are you whispering?
You don't have to whisper and again, I don't know exactly what that was like
in the moment you're trained to handle these sorts of situations though.
So I do think that we are able to have some expectations and
the idea that they wouldn't want you on that position going forward.
I sort of get, I would imagine this individual will be a little bit more
careful in the future, but when people's lives are on the line,
that is not a chance that I think many people are gonna want to take.
>> Yeah, super stressful situation but again,
it's a job where you're always going to be in a super stressful situation.
And so yeah, it's reasonable that they let,
this staffer go because the last thing you want to do is to call 911 and get some
sass back when you're dealing with a super stressful, dangerous situation.
>> Exactly yeah and
why would you be whispering when talking about a mass shooting?
I don't know, I guess I'm not trained in that area but wait,
you are common sense come on.
Can you imagine how like you're already terrified in a way that the rest
of us cannot even imagine and that's the response you get and then if they
were to hang up, like your stomach would sink how terrified you would be.
I can't imagine amidst all of the other terror how horrific that
entire thing is anyway.
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