>>> WHAT WOULD ANY REPUBLICAN BE THINKING SAYING THIS IS A GUY
I’M GOING TO RUN AGAINST.
HAVE AT IT AND WASTE YOUR TIME
AND MONEY AND GO AHEAD AND LOSE.
>> WELCOME BACK.
DESPITE WHAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM
THE CHAIR, ONE REPUBLICAN IS
PREPARING TO CHALLENGE THE
PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. RECENT HISTORY SHOWS IT COULD BE
A BAD SIGN FOR MR. TRUMP.
SINCE 1968, NO SITTING PRESIDENT
WHO FACED A PRIMARY OPPONENT
SERVED A SECOND TERM.
WHILE THE PRESIDENTS BATTLED
INSURGENT WINGS OF THEIR OWN
PARTY, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THE
SUPPORT OF THE INSURGENT WING
AND FOR NOW, THE ESTABLISHMENT
WING OF THE GOP.
OUR LATEST "WALL STREET JOURNAL"
POLL HAD HIS JOB APPROVAL RATING
WITH REPUBLICANS AT NEARLY 90%.
JOINING ME NOW IS FORMER
MASSACHUSETTS REPUBLICAN
MASSACHUSETTS REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR AND THE 2016
LIBERTARIAN NOMINEE.
LIBERTARIAN NOMINEE. HE LAUNCHED THE EXPLORATORY
COMMITTEE AND THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT SAID THERE IS NO
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EXPLORING A
RUN AND RUNNING.
>> I’M ACTIVELY EXPLORING AND
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE.
IS THAT NOT DAUNTING.
>> I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS.
IF SIX MONTHS IT AN ETERNITY,
WHAT IS TWO YEARS?
A LOT COULD DEPEND ON THE SHAPE
AND SIZE OF THE ELECTORATE IN
VARIOUS ELECTIONS.
VARIOUS ELECTIONS. 20 STATES WHERE INDEPENDENTS CAN
CROSS OVER AND TAKE A REPUBLICAN
BALLOT.
BALLOT. I BENEFITTED FROM THAT IN
MASSACHUSETTS.
MASSACHUSETTS. WE WILL CERTAINLY NOT LET THE
STATES GO UNEXAMPLED.
>> YOU RUN CENTER LEFT.
CENTER RIGHT.
CENTER RIGHT. TO THE LEFT OF WHERE THE OTHER
CANDIDATE IS, THERE IS A
CEILING.
CEILING. YOU HIT A CEILING.
YOU CAN WIN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND DO
WELL IN MASSACHUSETTS.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE SOUTH, HOW
ARE YOU GOING TO WIN A VOTE?
>> WASN’T RUNNING TO THE LEFT OF
ANYBODY.
ANYBODY. WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR OF
MASSACHUSETTS IN THE 90s, BY THE
"WALL STREET JOURNAL" AND THE
KATO INSTITUTE.
KATO INSTITUTE. THAT’S THE GOOD HOUSEKEEPING
SEAL OF APPROVAL.
THIS PRESIDENT HASN’T VETOED A
DIME.
DIME. DOES THE PARTY CARE ANYMORE?
>> THEY SHOULD.
>> I HEAR YOU, BUT DO THEY?
>> IT’S A MILL STONE AROUND THE
NECK.
NECK. IT REALLY IS.
A TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND
NOBODY IN WASHINGTON SEEMS TO BE
MINDING THE STORE.
NO HOUSEHOLD IN AMERICA COULD
SPEND THAT MUCH MORE THAN IT
TAKES IN AND I THINK EVENTUALLY
PEOPLE WAKE UP TO THAT FACT.
>> HOW DID YOU LEAVE THE
LIBERTARIAN PARTY.
LIBERTARIAN PARTY. YOU WERE TRYING TO CONVINCE THEM
AND SAID YOU WOULD BE A
LIBERTARIAN FOR LIFE.
>> I HAVE GOOD RELATIONS WITH
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THAT PARTY.
MOST OF THEM HAVE WRITTEN TO ME
AND SAID RIGHT ON, WE ARE WITH
YOU WHETHER YOU ARE AN R OR AN
L.
L. IT’S NOT A BAD RELATIONSHIP, BUT
IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING
TO TRY TO CHANGE WHAT’S GOING ON
IN WASHINGTON IN THIS COUNTRY,
YOU NEED A ONE ON ONE AND THAT
HAD TO BE RIGHT.
>> I DON’T THINK YOU COULD HAVE
MADE MORE OF A DIFFERENCE BY
GIVING A LARGER VOICE?
>> I DON’T.
WE HAD TWO TERM REPUBLICAN
GOVERNORS AND GOT 3% OF THE
VOTE.
VOTE. >> SO BASIC THEAL CONVINCED YOU,
THIS IS A TWO-PARTY COUNTRY
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
>> I DON’T LIKE IT.
I DON’T LIKE WHAT’S GOING ON IN
WASHINGTON AND PEOPLE ARE NOT
ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE AND
NOT ADDRESSING THE JOBS THAT ARE
GOING TO BE LOST IN THE NEXT 10
YEARS.
YEARS. >> YOU DON’T SOUND LIKE THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
REPUBLICAN PARTY. IS THAT A PROBLEM?
>> NO.
>> NO. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LISTEN.
IT’S TRUE THAT WE ARE GOING TO
LOSE 15 TO 25% OF THE JOBS IN
THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE OF
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND
DRONES AND MACHINE LEARNING AND
ALL THAT STUFF.
AUTOMATED DRIVING VEHICLES.
NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT
IT.
IT. WE HAVE TO PLAN AHEAD AND I
SUGGESTED WE NEEDED GI BILL FOR
ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE
DISPLACED WORKERS.
DISPLACED WORKERS. NO ONE IN WASHINGTON SEEMS TO
HAVE TWEAKED TO THAT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS I
WOULD LIKE TO DO AT 1600
PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE. >> YOU HAVE QUITE A PROFESSIONAL
BACKGROUND WHEN IT COMES TO
CRIMINAL CASES.
CRIMINAL CASES. YOU WORK NLTD THE JUSTICE
DEPARTMENT IN THE REAGAN
ADMINISTRATION IF I’M NOT
MISTAKEN.
MISTAKEN. HOW WOULD YOU TACKLE WHAT BOB
MUELLER IS TACKLING OR DO YOU
THINK THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF
NEW YORK IS THE PLACE TO GO
AFTER THE PRESIDENT?
>> THERE HAS BEEN VERY
INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS
INTERESTING DEVELOPMENTS RECENTLY UP TO AND INCLUDING
CHAIRMAN NADLER’S 81 LETTERS OF
INQUIRY THAT WENT OUT.
A LOT OF THEM WERE ADDRESSED AT
NOT THE PRESIDENT HIMSELFING,
BUT THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND
WE PER -- WAS FRAUD ENGAGED IN
TO SUPPORT THE ORGANIZATION AND
IT OPENS UP THE POSSIBILITY THAT
SOMEONE COULD PROCEED AGAINST
THE ORGANIZATION.
THE ORGANIZATION. NOT THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.
I’M ONE OF THOSE WHO THINKS YOU
CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
HAUL THE PRESIDENT OFF TO
CRIMINAL COURT TO ANSWER A
GARDEN VARIETY CRIMINAL CHARGE.
THE CONSTITUTION DOES SAY THAT
EVEN IF IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT IS
LIABLE FOR INDICTMENT AND
PROSECUTION AND PUNISHMENT AFTER
HE LEAVES OFFICE, THERE HAS TO
BE ROOM SOMEPLACE FOR CRIMINAL
PROCEEDINGS, BUT NOT WHILE THE
MAN IS IN OFFICE.
THERE IS NO BAR ONGOING AFTER AN
ORGANIZATION AND SAYING YOU ARE
THE PRODUCT OF MAIL FRAUD, WIRE
FRAUD, WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, AS
RUDY JULIAN WHOA TAUGHT ME A LOT
OF PREDICATE OFFENSES FOR A
RACKETEERING INDICTMENT.
RACKETEERING INDICTMENT. >> IF YOU CAN’T INDICT THE
PRESIDENT, ENDIT THE TRUMP
ORGANIZATION?
ORGANIZATION? MY POINT IS, IF YOU DID THAT --
>> IT COULD BE.
>> THAT’S A WAY OF GETTING AT
THE PRESIDENT, BUT YOU CAN’T
LEGALLY.
LEGALLY. THAT’S THE CLOSEST YOU CAN COME.
>> I’M NOT SAYING THE EVIDENCE
IS THERE, BUT IT COULD BE DONE
LEGALLY.
LEGALLY. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS
THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.
IF NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW AND
THAT’S WHAT ARTICLE ONE SAYS.
THERE HAS TO BE ROOM FOR A
SEALED INDICTMENT.
SEALED INDICTMENT. AND A PRESIDENT WOULD BE ABLE TO
ESCAPE ANY PROSECUTION AND BE
ABOVE THE LAW BY HAVING TWO
TERMS.
TERMS. >> LET ME CLOSE THE LOOP THIS
WAY.
WAY. WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU DECIDE I’M
NOT DOING THIS.
>> WHAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED ME
IS NO SUPPORT OUT THERE.
SO FAR AS I HEAR FROM ANYBODY,
IT’S RIGHT ON.
RIGHT ON.
RIGHT ON. >> LARRY HOGAN GOT IN AND WOULD
YOU GET OUT OR WOULD YOU HAVE A
BUDDY?
BUDDY? >> WOULD WELCOME HIM IN AND
WELCOME JOHN KASICH WHO I
SUPPORTED LAST TIME.
BEFORE I BECAME --
>> IS THERE ANY WAY YOU WOULD
SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP?
>> THAT’S A PRETTY LONG PUT.
>> YOU ARE NOT RULING IT OUT?
>> THAT’S A LONG PUT, BUT I BEAT
THE EUROPEANS IN THE RYDER CUP.