>> I DON’T THINK WE ARE DOING
ENOUGH.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
ABLE TO PUT PRESSURE ON GOOGLE
AND APPLE TO REMOVE THIS
APPLICATION FROM ITS STORE.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE
ABLE TO BUILD BETTER REGULATION
WITHIN THE UNITED STATES AND
ACTUALLY SET UP INFRASTRUCTURE
THAT WOULD BLOCK ACCESS TO THIS
DATA OR THIS DATA LEAVING OUR
ENVIRONMENT.
IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE U.S.
HAS SET UP TODAY.
MARIA: THAT WAS FORMER DEFENSE
CYBERSECURITY LEADER BRIAN ON
THIS PROGRAM WITH ME YESTERDAY
AND REGULATING TIKTOK IN THE
UNITED STATES, FBI CHIEF
CHRISTOPHER WRAY TOLD LAWMAKERS
THAT HE’S, QUOTE, EXTREMELY
CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHINESE
SOCIAL MEDIA APP, MANY CITING AS
NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT.
CARR FIRST TO SOUND THE ALARM ON
TIKTOK.
HE JOINS US RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER, GREAT TO HAVE YOU
THIS MORNING.
WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, THANKS
SO MUCH.
MARIA: I’M GOING TO SHOW THE
TIKTOK RESPONSE.
LAY OUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY
THREAT FOR US ABOUT TIKTOK.
>> WELL, JUST THIS WEEK FBI
DIRECTOR CHRIS WRAY TESTIFIED IN
CONGRESS FROM THE FBI’S
PERSPECTIVE THEY ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY
THREAT AND THIS IS SIGNIFICANT
FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I’M
AWARE OF THAT ANYONE IN THE
ADMINISTRATION HAS GONE ON THE
RECORD TO EXPRESS NATIONAL
SECURITY CONCERNS ABOUT TIKTOK
AND THE TIME ASKING SIGNIFICANT
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE TREASURY
DEPARTMENT IS UNDERGOING WHAT IS
CALL A REVIEW OF TIKTOK AND A
LOT OF PEOPLE EXPECT THAT REVIEW
TO BE WINDING UP THE NEXT COUPLE
OF WEEKS.
IN FACT, THE NEW YORK TIMES
RECENTLY LEAKED THAT THERE’S A
PRELIMINARY DEAL IN PLACE WITH
TIKTOK THAT ACCORDING TO NEW
YORK TIMES THE NUMBER TWO WITH
THE DOJ, THOSE FAMILIAR WITH
THOSE HER THINKING DON’T
BELIEVER HE’S STUFF ENOUGH WITH
TIKTOK, WITH CHRIS WRAY GOING
PUBLIC WITH THE FBI’S CONCERN, I
HAVE A HARD TIME HOW THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION CAN CREDIBLY WIND
DOWN THAT REVIEW IN A WAY THAT
ALLOWS TIKTOK TO KEEP OPERATING.
MARIA: WHAT ARE THEY DOING?
THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE ACCESS TO
PEOPLE’S USER DATA, TIKTOK IS
OWNED BY A CHINESE COMPANY.
ARE THEY SENDING THAT DATA TO
THE CCP AND WHAT -- WHY, WHAT’S
THE MOTIVE, WHAT IS THE CCP
DOING WITH IT?
>> IT’S TWO THINGS.
THE DATA FLOW BACK INTO CHINA
AND THE RECOMMENDATION ALGORITHM
BACK HERE.
CHRIS WRAY HIMSELF LAID OUT 3
POINTS THIS WEEK, ONE, ALL THIS
DATA FLOWING BACK TO CHINA.
TIKTOK OFFICIALS HAVE SAID DON’T
WORRY, THE DATA IS STORED ON
SERVERS IN THE U.S.
NOT SO, LEAKED INTERNAL
COMMUNICATIONS THAT EVERYTHING
IS VIEWED BACK IN CHINA AND WHAT
IS THAT, SEARCH AND BROWSE
HISTORY, THEY RESERVE THE RIGHT
TO COLLECT BIOMETRICS, FACE
PRINTS AND VOICEPRINTS AND NEW
REPORT THAT IS HAD OFFICIALS
WITH BITE DANCE THE PARENT
COMPANY LOOKING TO SURVEIL THE
LOCATION OF SPECIFIC AMERICANS
AND THE OTHER THING CHRIS WRAY
SAID THE RECOMMENDATIONS
ALGORITHMS.
YOU DON’T CHOOSE WHO TO FOLLOW
ON TIKTOK, THEY MAKE THE
DECISION ON WHAT TO FEED YOU AND
THAT COULD BE FOR A FOREIGN
INFLUENCE CAMPAIGN AND CHRIS
WRAY ALSO SAID THEY COULD
COMPROMISE YOUR DEVICE.
SERIOUS REMARKS COMING FROM THE
FBI DIRECTOR.
MARIA: HERE IS THE RESPONSE FROM
TIKTOK TO THE COMMENTS THAT YOU
MADE.
COMMISSIONER CARR HAS NO ROLE IN
THE CONFIDENTIAL DISCUSSIONS
WITH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT RELATED
TO TIKTOK AND APPEARS TO BE
EXPRESSING VIEWS INDEPENDENT OF
HIS ROLE AS AN FCC COMMISSIONER.
SAYS TIKTOK.
>> WELL, LOOK, WHAT I’M TALKING
ABOUT IS FBI DIRECTOR CHRIS WRAY
WHO IS INVOLVED DIRECTLY.
THE DISCUSSIONS COMING OUT OF
LISA MONACO AND TIKTOK SCARES
THE DICKENS OUT OF THEM.
I DON’T KNOW WHY THEY ARE
FOCUSED ON ME AND THOSE INSIDE
THE ADMINISTRATION THAT ARE
EXPRESSING THESE TYPES OF
CONCERNS.
MARIA: CONNECT DOTS TO FTX
BECAUSE THE COMPANY WAS FIRST
FOUNDED IN HONG KONG, FTX AND
THEN THEY MOVED THE COMPANY TO
THE BAHAMAS.
FTX FOUNDER SAM BANKMAN FREED
WILL TESTIFY IN HEARING NEXT
MONTH.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM
HIM?
SECRETARY JANET YELLEN DEMANDING
ACTION, UNFORTUNATE IMPACT THAT
HAS RESULTED FOR HOLDERS AND
INVESTORS OF CRYPTO ASSETS
DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR MORE
EFFECTIVE OVERSIGHT OF CRYPTO
CURRENCY MARKETS.
WE SHOULD POINT OUT THAT ONE OF
THE LEADING FUNDERS OF FTX ALSO
A LEADING FUNDER OF ONE OF THE
-- LEADING VENTURE CAPITALIST
FIRMS IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.
SO IS THERE A CCP CONNECTION?
>> WELL, LOOK, I THINK WHAT THIS
ALL UNDERSCORES IS THE BROADER
NEED FOR OVERSIGHT AND
ACCOUNTABILITY.
YOU LOOK BACK AT THE LAST TWO
YEARS.
LY SPEAK AT THE FCC, FOR
INSTANCE, ORDINARILY TWO YEARS
INTO A CONGRESS WHERE WE ARE
RIGHT NOW WE WOULD HAVE HAD
ROUGHLY 12 OVERSIGHT HEARINGS OF
THE FCC AND TELECOM INDUSTRY.
WE HAVE HAD ONE, ONE OVERSIGHT
HEARING TO HAVE FCC, WE USUALLY
HAVE 12.
HOPE TO SEE HEIGHTENED OVERSIGHT
AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
THERE’S GOOD SIGNS ON THE
HORIZON.
DEMOCRAT CHAIR WATERS AND
MCHENRY SENT A LETTER.
I HOPE THAT WE START TO SEE LONG
OVERDUE ACCOUNTABILITY.
>> COMMISSIONER, HI, NEWSWEEK.
YOU KNOW, I SO APPRECIATE YOUR
COMMENTS ON TIKTOK.
MY QUESTION IS, ELON MUSK,
RIGHT, OWNER AND CEO OF TWITTER
CURRENTLY, THIS IS A MAN WHO IS
DEEPLY CONNECTED TO CHINA,
DEEPLY CONNECTED TO THE CHINESE
COMMUNIST PARTY.
YOU KNOW, HIS ENTIRE SUPPLY
CHAIN IS IN CHINA.
ALL THE BATTERIES FOR TESLA ARE
CREATED THERE.
HE BUILT A SHOW ROOM SO THIS IS
A MAN WHO IS VERY, VERY INTO
BENDING THE KNEE TO CHINA.
I MEAN, ISN’T THERE A WORRY --
DON’T THE SAME WORRIES THAT
APPLY TO TIKTOK TO SOME DEGREE
APPLY NOW TO TWITTER AS WELL?
>> WELL, ELON MUSK HAS TAKEN OUT
A PRETTY LINE THAT HE’S PROFREE
SPEECH AND PRODIVERSITY OF
OPINIONS.
THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE
CRITICAL OF HIM, THE POINTS THAT
YOU RAISED THERE AND THAT’S WHY MY POSITION HAS BEEN WE SHOULD
MY POSITION HAS BEEN WE SHOULD
NOT SIMPLY RELY ON THE HOPEFULLY
BENEVOLENCE OF A BILLIONAIRE AND
WE SHOULD PROTECT DIVERSITY OF
OPINIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND
THAT WOULD MITIGATE AND ADDRESS
ENTIRELY CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING
RAISED.
MARIA: THAT’S A GREAT POINT.
BRANDON, WHY DO YOU THINK THERE
WERE NO HEARINGS ON TIKTOK? IS THAT BECAUSE DEMOCRATS AND
IS THAT BECAUSE DEMOCRATS AND
OVERSIGHT RUN BY MAXINE WAT TERS
WAS CONFLICTED BECAUSE OF THE
MONEY SHE WAS GETTING FROM
BANKMAN FREED?
>> I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
GOING FORWARD WE SHOULD NOT LET
THE PARTISAN OF POLITICAL
DONATIONS OVERSIGHT.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
EQUATION BASED ON THE POLITICAL
DONATIONS BUT IT’S BEEN CLEAR
THAT WE ARE MISSING OVERSIGHT IN
THE COUNTRY FOR THE LAST TWO
YEARS.
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE BEEN
SPENT ON INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGES
WHERE THERE’S NO OVERSIGHT RIGHT
NOW FROM CONGRESS AND IT’S TIME