>>> EVERYONE KNOWS MAIL-IN
BALLOTS ARE A DISASTER.
THEY THINK THEY’RE GOING TO SEND
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF BALLOTS
ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, AND
IT’S GOING TO COME OUT.
YOU WON’T KNOW THE ELECTION
RESULT FOR WEEKS, MONTHS, MAYBE
YEARS AFTER.
MAYBE YOU’LL NEVER KNOW THE
ELECTION RESULT, AND THAT’S WHAT
I’M CONCERNED WITH.
IT WILL BE FIXED.
IT WILL BE RIGGED.
PEOPLE OUGHT TO GET SMART.
>> THAT IS OUR PRESIDENT TODAY
CONTINUING TO PEDDLE THE FALSE
NARRATIVE THAT MAIL-IN VOTING IS
RIFE WITH FRAUD.
A REMINDER THAT YESTERDAY HE
SUGGESTED WE SHOULD DELAY THE
ELECTION.
HERE’S HOW HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY
PELOSI RESPONDED TODAY.
>> TO UNDERSTAND THIS, HE WANTS
TO CANCEL THE ELECTION OR
POSTPONE THE ELECTION.
REALLY?
DID HE LEARN THAT FROM PUTIN OR
SOMETHING?
>> TO TRUMP’S SUGGESTION, OUR
NEXT GUEST WRITES, QUOTE, WITH
THIS TWEET, THE PRESIDENT BOTH
REVIVES FASCIST PROPAGANDA AND
EXPLOITS A NEW AGE OF INTERNET
POST-TRUTH.
HE FOLLOWS A TRAIL BLAZED BY
FASCISTS BUT ADDS A TWIST THAT
IS HIS OWN.
WITH US TO TALK ABOUT IT INDEED,
PROFESSOR TIMOTHY SNYDER OF YALE
UNIVERSITY.
HE WAS A MARSHALL SCHOLAR
EDUCATED IN THE IVY LEAGUE,
SPECIALIZING ON EUROPE AND THE
HOLOCAUST.
HE HAPPENS TO BE THE AUTHOR OF
TWO BOOKS OF NOTE TO OUR
DISCUSSION ALWAYS, ON TYRANNY,
20 LESSONS FROM THE 20th
CENTURY, AND THE ROAD TO
UNFREEDOM: RUSSIA, EUROPE,
AMERICA.
PROFESSOR, WHILE NOT ENUMERATED
ON YOUR LIST OF TYRANNICAL
MARKERS PUBLYICLY RULEN ATING
ABOUT PUSHING OFF AN ELECTION,
WHERE DOES THIS LAND ON OUR LIST
OF TYRANNICAL MARKERS TO BE
AWARE OF?
>> WELL, I THINK WHAT’S
ESSENTIAL IS THAT WE HAVE A
SITUATION WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS
CREATING PROBLEMS HIMSELF AND
THEN DECIDING THAT THOSE
PROBLEMS ARE AN EMERGENCY WHICH
REQUIRE DRASTIC ACTION.
IF THE PRESIDENT’S POSTMASTER
GENERAL WOULD SUPPORT THE POST
OFFICE, WE WOULDN’T HAVE ANY
PROBLEM WITH MAIL.
IF THE PRESIDENT HAD TAKEN
QUICKER ACTION OR ACTED NOW ON
COVID, WE WOULDN’T NEED SO MANY
MAIL-IN BALLOTS.
AND IN GENERAL IF THE PRESIDENT
AND HIS PARTY SUPPORTED
LEGISLATION ABOUT DOMESTIC AND
FOREIGN REFORM TO PROTECT THE
VOTE, WE WOULD BE IN A MUCH MORE
SECURE POSITION THAN WE ARE.
SO WE HAVE PROBLEMS THAT COULD
BE ADDRESSED WITH POLICY.
THE DANGER IS THAT WE HAVE A
LEADER WHO INSTEAD OF POLICY
PREFERS TO MANUFACTURE AN
EMERGENCY.
AND MANUFACTURING EMERGENCIES,
CREATING SITUATIONS WHERE YOU
SAY, WE HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT
ARE EXTRAORDINARY, LIKE SUSPEND
ELECTIONS, FINDING THESE MOMENTS
OF EXCEPTION, THAT’S WHAT
FASCIST LEADERS DO.
AND MR. TRUMP IS VERY GOOD WITH
THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE, SO WE
HAVE TO BE WARY.
>> THE PHRASE "THE CENTER HOLDS"
COMES TO MIND.
ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT THE
CENTER WILL HOLD?
I SAW THAT THIS IS PERFECTLY
KEEPING ON BRAND FOR 2020.
JOHN DEAN TWEETED TONIGHT HIS
SUGGESTION THAT UPS AND FEDEX BE
ENGAGED IN THIS TO BE CARRIERS
OF BALLOTS AS A WORKAROUND TO
OUR WEAKENED UNITED STATES
POSTAL SERVICE.
ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT NORMS AND
GOOD PEOPLE WILL CARRY THE DAY?
>> I THINK IT’S A VERY GOOD
QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK IN THE
END, INSTITUTIONS ARE ONLY AS
GOOD AS THE PEOPLE, AS THE
CITIZENS WHO CARRY THEM FORWARD.
AND I THINK THAT MR. DEAN AND
THE OTHER SMART, INTELLIGENT
PATRIOTS AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE
DOING THE RIGHT THING IF THEY’RE
THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO
IN ANTICIPATION OF NOVEMBER.
WHAT WE KNOW IS WE HAVE A
COUNTRY THAT’S USED TO
DEMOCRACY, THAT’S BEING GOVERNED
BY A PRESIDENT WHO DOESN’T LIKE
THE RULE OF LAW.
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A GUARANTEE
GIVEN HIS POLL STANDINGS THAT
THERE WILL BE SOME KIND OF
INSECURITY AND UNCERTAINTY IN
NOVEMBER.
WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW
AS CITIZENS AND AS A SOCIETY AND
A NATION IS THAT WE’RE MATURE
ENOUGH TO HANDLE A LITTLE BIT OF
UNCERTAINTY, THAT A PROBLEM
ISN’T THE SAME THING AS A
CRISIS, AND THAT AN OUTCOME
WHICH IS DEMOCRATIC AND WHICH
FOLLOWS THE LAW IS MORE
IMPORTANT THAN ANY INDIVIDUAL
PERSON’S DESIRE TO WIN.
>> YOUR BOOK ENUMERATES SO MUCH
OF WHAT WE’VE SEEN, AND I SHOULD
HASTEN TO ADD BEFORE WE SAW IT,
BUILDINGS WITH THE LEADERS’ NAME
ON THEM, MILITARY PARADES AND ON
AND ON, IT ALSO ENUMERATES THE
SIGHT WE HAVE NOW SEEN IN
PORTLAND, OREGON, MILITARIZED,
ALL BUT ANONYMOUS, CAMOUFLAGED
FEDERAL AGENTS, IN QUOTES, WHEN
THEY FIRST WENT TO WORK GRABBING
PEOPLE INTO UNMARKED VEHICLES, I
KNOW THAT GOT YOUR ATTENTION.
>> YEAH.
I MEAN THE QUESTION IS DOES THE
LAND OF THE FREE NEED A KGB?
I WOULD SAY THE ANSWER IS NO.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
DOES NOT NEED A SECRET POLICE.
WE DO NOT NEED A POLICE FORCE
WHICH APPEARS WITHOUT INSIGNIA,
WHICH DOESN’T IDENTIFY ITSELF,
AND WHICH PULLS RANDOM PEOPLE
OFF THE STREET.
THAT’S THE NIGHTMARE OF AN
AUTHORITARIAN OR TOTALITARIAN
STATE.
THAT’S A LINE THAT WE SHOULD NOT
BE CROSSING.
WE SHOULD ALSO BE CONCERNED
ABOUT WHERE THIS COMES FROM.
HISTORY TELLS US THAT THE
PEOPLE, THE MEN WHO STAFF THESE
KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS, ARE VERY
OFTEN PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE IN
LAWLESS ZONES.
THAT MEANS CONCENTRATION CAMPS
OR PLACES LIKE OUR DETENTION
CENTERS.
IT TELLS US THAT THEY ARE VERY
OFTEN PEOPLE OF EXPERIENCE
DEFENDING A BORDER OR WORKING AT
A BORDER, WHICH AGAIN IS THE
CASE HERE.
AND ANOTHER THING WHICH IS
CONCERNING IS THAT ALL OF THIS
IS TAKE IS PLACE NOT ON THE BASE
OF LAW BUT ON THE BASIS OF A
CONSPIRACY THEORY.
THE PRESIDENT MOUTHS DANGEROUS
WORDS LIKE ANARCHISTS AND SO ON
AND TERRORISTS.
THAT’S ALL A CONSPIRACISY
THEORY.
NOTHING LIKE THAT IS HAPPENING
IN THE UNITED STATES.
THESE ARE HISTORICAL REASONS TO
BE VERY CONCERNED.
THIS IS WHY IN THE BOOK I SAID
BE WARY OF PARAMILITARIES AND
ALSO BE REFLECTIVE IF YOU MUST
BE ARMED.
THESE ARE THINGS WE SHOULD BE
KEEPING IN MIND.
WE OF COURSE CAN SEE THE DANGERS
OF THIS.