Speaker 1: Let's go to discord at David Pacman dot com slash discord and hear from the most
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start with Evan from New Hampshire today. Evan, welcome to the program. What's on your mind today?
Speaker 4: And so I am going to be engaged in research in psychology on immigration.
And so I'm interested to hear from you. What do you think the general
purpose of immigration should be in the US? Speaker 1: I don't know that there needs to
be one purpose. In other words, you can make an immigration case economically. I think it's
a very solid case. You can make an immigration case in terms of attracting the best minds and
a sort of whatever would be opposite of a brain drain, like a brain growth thing. You can make a
sort of ethical and moral case for immigration in terms of protecting people from an asylum
standpoint to conditions that are antithetical to what we believe are the most important values.
And so sort of a, you know, humanitarian case for immigration. You can make a national security and
foreign policy strategic case for immigration in some cases. I don't know that we need to
say there is one purpose of immigration. Speaker 4: Of course, I think that that's
a new nuance of a viewpoint, as you can have, is there's so many different ways you can go
with a request for you to you what is an ideal system look like? Just generally not. You don't
need to tell me the specific parts in the policy. Speaker 1: Well, I think the ideal system
conceptually is not that different from the system we have with some critical differences,
including that we finalize a specific permanent policy for those who were brought here when they
were minors by their parents undocumented. We've got to figure that out. We need to include in
we need to add it to the policy we have if we're going to continue sort of prosecuting
undocumented individuals in the way that we do, we have to shift some of the focus to visa overstays
and get it not necessarily off of the border, but equalize with the border to some degree. I
think it's hypocritical not to. We need to add as a component, actually trying to address the
conditions in the source countries of undocumented immigration that make people want to come here in
the first place. That would be one of the best ways to address undocumented immigration. So
I think the conceptually much of the system we have works execution wise elements are broken,
but we've got to deal with the reasons people want to come here in the first place.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you very much for your time, sir. My pleasure. Have a lovely day.
Speaker 1: You too, Evan, from New Hampshire. Great to hear from you. Why don't we go next
to Janelle from San Antonio? Janelle, it's been a little while. Great to have you back
on the program. What's on your mind today? Speaker 5: Hi, David. It's nice to be back.
Pleasure. I just. I had a question or a thought, I guess. Do you think that the Democrats should?
Take advantage of the fact that Hunter Biden did do something illegal with
his, you know, purchasing a gun.
And I try to change some gun laws. Speaker 1: Well, there's two perspectives on
that. One perspective is this is an opportunity, I guess, for Democrats to try to do something
about gun safety regulations. The other aspect to this is that many of the Republicans that are
now attacking Hunter Biden for the gun purchase actually don't believe that what he did should
even be illegal to begin with. So it sort of makes them hypocrites. I mean, what I can certainly tell
you is I don't know that because of any one case of this magnitude, like what Hunter Biden did,
that it proves what gun safety laws should or shouldn't be. So I actually I don't really
want this one case being used to do anything in particular. We should be evaluating what is right
and what makes sense. Big picture. Speaker 5:
Okay. I understand. I just. It was a thought. Speaker 1: All right. Janelle in San Antonio,
great to hear from you again. Speaker 5: You too, David. Bye.
Speaker 1: All right. There goes Janelle. Sounded busy today, Janelle. Very,
very busy. Let's try Tiffany from Orange County. Tiffany, welcome to the David Pakman Show. So
great to have you, I think. Did you call before and ask? I hope I'm not misremembering. Tiffany,
did you call last time and ask whether Vivek Ramaswamy will make Botox more accessible?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's me. Speaker 1: That was. Well,
welcome back. That was an incredible viral moment.
Speaker 5: Can you can you bring me back up after three turns? I'm just in the
middle of something right now. Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Oh,
you're so busy. Okay, let me move you back. I'm so sorry to have interrupted. Oh, boy.