- Rebecca, you're a former hockey player.
- I am. - And figure skater.
- Yeah.
- You're well versed on the ice.
- Sure am.
- Hockey fights are a big deal.
Did you ever get into one yourself?
- In women's hockey,
fighting is more just being really cutting with your words.
We're not really allowed to fight, so no.
- What age were you at this time?
- This was from age 11 to 18.
- Oh, so the worst ages.
- Oh yeah, we were mean.
- So you were particularly mean.
- Vicious.
- Yeah (laughing) I can only imagine.
11 to 18 year old girls,
the things they can say,
that scares me now.
- It should. - As an adult man.
They know they can analyze you,
like a computer,
and find your worst insecurity,
and just
boom, right to the center like a laser beam.
- I'm really sad that I lost that super power
the moment I turned 19.
Could've been really useful.
- In men's hockey, removing someone else's jersey,
or removing your own jersey is a strategy,
and they banned it from the sport.
- Removing your own jersey? - Yeah.
- Why is that a (laughing) who would wanna do that?
- That's a great question.
But there's a rule for it.
It's rule 46.13,
a player who engages in a fight
and whose jersey is not properly tied down
and who loses his jersey in that altercation,
shall receive a game misconduct penalty,
which means they'll just kick you out of the game.
- The whole game?
- The whole entire rest of the game.
- Just for taking off your shirt?
- Yeah.
Because what happens is,
if you take off your own shirt,
you're harder to fight.
Because A, you're a sweaty, slimy boy to begin with
and you're just hard to get a grip on.
And also they got rid of it
because they were worried about guys getting caught up
in their jerseys as it's being pulled over.
'Cause then you're just a sitting target
for getting punched in the face over and over.
- (laughing) Just repeatedly. - Yeah.
They named it the Rob Ray rule
because this guy Rob Ray who played for the Buffalo Sabers
was like, well fuck it if I just
take mine off first
then I'm harder to grapple.
And I'm also a little freer.
- So, what he would do multiple times,
was take off his jersey?
And like,
slither around to like--
- Well I don't know how much actual slithering he was doing.
That's what I was doing
'cause that's what I would do in a hockey fight
is like (wailing)
(laughing)
I'd just take off my shirt and do this a whole lot
and hope that no one fucked with me too much.
- That's hockey, yeah.
- That's hockey, that's hockey really.
When it comes down to it.
So they were like, yeah, no you can't do that anymore.
And they made the Rob Ray rule.
He was what they called an enforcer,
which you know what that is, I'm sure.
- Oh, totally.
- Yeah. - Yeah, enforcers.
- Do they have those in women's hockey?
- It's the number one position in hockey.
It's the most important one.
- The number one position.
Even more important than the goalie.
- They always wear the number one jersey,
that's how that position works.
- (laughing) That's right, yeah.
- Do you have footage of Rob Ray slithering around
naked on the ice?
- Yeah, I've got tons.
You wanna see him fight some people?
- (laughing) Yeah, I do. - Yeah, let's do it.
So, Rob Ray is on the right, in the blue.
(laughing)
And there he goes, he just like,
in a matter of seconds he's got all of this shit off of him.
(laughing) And look at him go.
- [Rebecca] So stupid.
- And then finally the linesmen come over
and they're like yeah,
you can't do that.
(laughing)
- So, how sad was Rob Ray when they passed this law?
- Oh, just absolutely despondent.
He was actually,
he told someone in an interview like,
I never planned on this, it just sort of evolved that way.
So over years of fighting he was like,
oh this is a hell of a lot easier if I just
completely disrobe
and fight like an old timey 20's boxer.
With a (laughing) long mustache.
- My other question is,
how did he get them off so swiftly?
Because those things have Velcro, they're tight.
- So he would not tie it down, which is what the rule is.
But then also allegedly,
he would either keep his pads kinda loose,
or sometimes, again allegedly,
he would sew the pads directly in to the jersey
so that in one like (whooping) he's just nakey boy
fighting with his nips out and all the whole nine.
- I like how we're like, allegedly.
Can't get sued here.
He's litigious.
- Yeah he will (bleep) crush us.
He will destroy us.
There's actually a great clip
of him, which I will happily show you,
of him fighting a fan
that made it onto the ice.
- Oh my god. - During the game.
- I would like to see that clip.
- [Ryan] And he's just beating this man. (laughing)
- [Rebecca] He's antagonizing his own fans.
This guy is a (laughing)
- [Ryan] This guy was just coming over for a hug.
He's like, oh I love you guys.
- (laughing) Clearly!
I'm thinking he's a bad guy.
- He's not a bad guy. - No?
- That's just how hockey was for a long time.
As you well know. - It's true.
- Being a hardened hockey person yourself.
What about figure skating?
- Fights? - Yeah.
Besides the one that we all know about.
- The one.
Here's a story.
- Oh yeah!
(laughing)
- I was in theater on ice,
which is the cooler kind of skating.
Where all the better, cooler, skaters go.
And we had a rivalry with another theater on ice team.
- Oh my god, that's the most theater kid thing.
- I know. - Of all time.
- I know.
But it was on ice too.
- That's even worse.
- Yeah, so we got in a lot of trouble
because we were writing nasty comments on Facebook.
And this was like 2007 Facebook.
- [Ryan] Extent of your fighting is just
saying mean things on Facebook?
- [Rebecca] Yeah, it was social media bullying.
- Oh, so no actual like,
it didn't manifest into any sort of physical altercation?
- Okay, can you imagine
groups of figure skaters physically fighting each other?
- I don't know, maybe there's some hair pulling or,
I've seen girls and women fight and it is brutal.
It can get pretty brutal. - Yeah.
What have you seen? (laughing)
- Private video collections and things like that.
No big deal.
(laughing)
I'm online.
I'm online, I'm very online.
I've seen stuff.
Don't worry about it.