welcome to the David Pakman show yesterday I talked about the george
Zimmerman verdict
and how we really need to see it as only an evaluation
above the facts or lack a fax lack of evidence in that particular case and not
any more broadly not make inferences necessarily about what it means
regarding gun rights when it means regarding conservative values
or the the jurors in particular however
we now have actual evidence one love the jurors juror b37
has done an interview with I
Anderson Cooper and it was a very disturbing interview I talked about when
I was on a self-defense case
on a jury four of the six jurors did not understand the evidence did not
understand the definition of the laws as we were suppose to evaluate guilt or
innocence
and I thought listen they've gone through countless interviews in the
Trayvon Martin
I G george Zimmerman jury selection I'm sure they pick people that are going to
understand that law
understand the evidence and I was absolutely
wrong a juror b37 said
a whole bunch of just outrageous things that show
not only bias but also a lack of understanding of the evidence and
and a number of love assumptions not based on fact
that the juror this particular juror chose to believe
and if this is representative of the jury more broadly I would be very very
concerned
about this verdict even if from an outside point of view based on the
evidence presented I can understand why a not guilty verdict
happened this is a juror who during her four dire pre-trial
I interview said that she has a license to carry a concealed gun something she
goes to the shooting range
she also referred to Trayvon Martin as a boy of color let's get right into the
clips here's clip one
asked who was on top in the struggle between george Zimmerman and Trayvon
Martin
that was more or less accepted as fact in the
case let's take a look at Club number one the prosecution started off by
saying
that george Zimmerman was on top in the struggle
and then later on they seem to
concede well perhaps trim on Mon was on top
made was pulling away mom doing fell the prosecution
really had a firm idea of what actually happened
I think they wanted to happen when they want it to happen
to to go to their side to for the prosecution the state
um there's a lot in the witnesses that the defense had on plus some other
prosecution witnesses
and there's no doubt that they had seen what had happened
some other was taped sake couldn't repute any a that
so kinda been unintelligible answer there this was the number one red flag
as I watched this interview that this juror may not really be understanding
what even happened
during this testimony let's look at clip number two now
asking about who do you think it was ask
calling for help on that 911 tape a key point
up the case you had the the parents if true in morn testifying you had the
family George your man friend George urine test fire whose voice that was in
the 911 call from
whose voice do you think it was an on-call I think it was george
Zimmerman's
to everybody in the jury agree with that all but
probably one
and what made you think it was george Zimmerman's voice because the evidence
that he was the one that had gotten beaten
she think because he was the one who'd
hood had cuts had abrasions he was the one
getting head he was the one calling for help well because the witnesses have
John good for him thought rave on on topic georgian
not necessarily hitting him cuz it was so dark you couldn't see
but he saw blows down towards george
and he could tell that was george Zimmerman on the bottom he didn't know
who it was but he knew
what they were wearing so there it is a the idea that
it was george Zimmerman's voice and that she really thought John goods testimony
was really good
John good testimony was completely called into question by the prosecution
and she really chose to believe that george Zimmerman was on top
she didn't it she even said well john good saw
I rather than george Zimmerman was not on top was on the bottom she said
well John good saw that it was traveling on top well he actually didn't see it
but he saw the movement and he knew what they were wearing
very concerning Louis because well they're not supposed to make assumptions
a lot of assumptions not based on facts presented are being made here
well that's human nature and unfortunately
I a good for money on it that every single juror already
had ideas about what happened in their head dedicate the trial started and you
don't have to be smart to get the jury selection
this proof of that and I stand by what I said earlier
that jurors should be selected at random but at random from a pool
experts who who know the laws who understand the man who popped possibly
do this for a living
while some countries do have professional juries and there are a
whole number of other issues with that and we've got a lot of email about that
means the last time you suggested that for now the let's continue with the
clips here's clip 3
let's take a look at this one what did you think a Georgian
I think george Zimmerman
is a man whose heart was in the right place but just got displaced
by did the vandalism in the neighborhoods
and wantin to catch these people so badly
that he went above and beyond what he really should have done
this to me was where I realize that there is so much conjecture here george
Zimmerman's heart
in the right place that's a statement that shows that this juror buys into
not only the the facts
as per the the evidence the facts as presented by the defense
but really bite into a his body into the george Zimmerman
narrative altogether outside
what was presented in the court this idea that he was just this really good
natured neighborhood watch guy
and she actually went on to say in the interview she would trust she was she
would be fine having george Zimmerman be
on the neighborhood watch in her neighborhood very disturbing Louis this
is not an unbiased juror
not at all she totally sympathizes with him
and who knows what she saying at home about Ray Vaughn Martin
I can only imagine let's look at clinton amber for
do you think Trayvon Martin threw the first punch
I think you did what makes you think that on because the evidence
on on the T on sidewalk where
um George says he was punch
there was evidence his flashlight and keys there
and a little bit farther down there was a flashlight that he was carrying
and I think that's where trained on him
see you think based on the testimony you heard you believe that tree on Martin
was the aggressor I think the rules changed
I think I think George got in a little bit too deep
what she should have been there but
tray vine decided that he wasn't getting let him
scare him and get though
one over up on him or something RI so they're saying she believes straight on
through the first
punch completely not presented in evidence
in anyway absolutely a story that the juror built for herself
or with other jurors in their heads very very concerning and then click 5
there was an animation which was not allowed
during that the main trial right the defense
had an animation creative their interpretation of what happened the
judge said no this is not really evidence
in closing however the defense was allowed to present that animation
it was a completely biased and and unprovable
and not based on fact presentation of what happened
the juror was asked what did you think that presentation let's take a look at
clip 5
when the defense in their clothes are being played at animation I've
would they believe happened did you find that credible
I found a credible I did so there it is she believed that that animation
depicted what happened again
not based on any evidence that is provable pure conjecture
this is a disaster and absolute disaster
I this this to me really represent I'm not angry with this juror
it religious represents the problems for all the good things about our justice
system
we've got serious problems when this is the person
doesn't understand the evidence is making stuff up
in her mind and then make basing AE creating a decision about the person's
guilt or innocence based on that
highly concerning Louis I i'm I'm distraught by the content to this
interview
it's really unfortunate you have to wonder you have to assume
that this is happening all the time all across the country and in certain states
in certain situations people are being put to death
because it is that decisions made by more on jurors like this
to a certain extent I do feel sorry for the woman because she doesn't seem to be
very bright but this is lives we're dealing with and it is very very
concerning