- I'm Vince Kelvin.
- I'm Chris Nappi,
I'm a dating coach and pickup artist.
- I'm known to make men less creepy.
(dramatic music)
- I understand where the opinion's coming from
but I don't really like the language
'cause it's like objectifying women as like a sexual object.
- I'm like disgusted.
I'm like.
(Kyion gags)
- You're not entitled to women's attention.
- I think he is just trying to sell a product
at the end of the day, you know.
- Holy (beep) this is crazy.
(upbeat music)
(heart beating)
- Attract and seduce more beautiful women,
learn how to approach beautiful girls with ease
and drive them crazy with attraction.
The art of seduction is critical to your success as a man.
Right now already what I'm seeing
is a lot of toxic masculinity.
The idea that in order to have worth as a man,
you have to have some sort of level of sexual conquest
and that drives from a very fragile ego.
(upbeat music)
- [Interviewer] You've been described as
"the king of make outs," is that true?
- I love making out, you know.
(upbeat music)
(Brooklyn gasps)
- Holy (beep) this is crazy.
- Okay, wow.
It's a lot of kissing.
- Vince Kelvin, the king of make outs, hands down.
Over 230 make outs last year.
- Who's keeping track of make outs and why?
- Like I wonder if he has trouble feeling his emotions
and like he wants that high of making out with girls
to feel something in his heart.
- All of those make outs seem consensual.
So there isn't much that I can say if y'all both like it,
y'all both do your thing.
- Okay, hold it.
Your looks are distracting.
You gotta at least say hello
if you're gonna pass by with such cool looks.
- Okay, that kind I would've got me honestly,
I probably would've stopped, but like, no.
(Kyion laughs)
- I really mean it, genuinely.
- Thank you.
- I kinda forgot where I was going.
And what are your names?
Wait, like a civilized Hello.
Fast one though, 'cause I gotta run.
- Okay, notice these women's body language,
they do not wanna talk to him.
It does not matter that he is complimenting them.
They're not interested.
- So how about you just go to a place
where people are open to talk to you in the first place?
Most people that are walking on the sidewalk
are heading somewhere to do something
and don't have the time to talk to some creep.
There's multiple ways to meet people,
but on the sidewalk as somebody's heading to their job
or meeting up with a friend,
you're not going to get great results.
(dramatic music)
- We cannot meet people on the street anymore.
What is that?
Where are we going
if we put restrictions to where you can meet people?
Think about it.
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- [Interviewer] You go ahead
and continue onto the next clip.
- Are you like a bouncer for a club or something?
- Nah.
- It's club Melanie.
I've been wanting to come into club Melanie forever.
You guys never let me in.
- I'm sorry.
- Today I'm coming in.
- No.
- Even if I have to use force, Melanie,
today I'm entering your club.
- Okay, first of all, if I was her,
I probably would have not entertained all of that.
To me it was kind of obvious
that she wasn't really trying to talk.
So I feel like, you know,
you don't have to push it at that point.
Yeah, I don't like unconsensual touching.
I hate when guys touch me.
- You're not entitled to women's attention.
- [Interviewer] Why do you think she said,
"No, thank you," so politely?
- Because a lot of women are afraid to be aggressive
or assertive when stating no because again,
men have a habit of kind of assaulting us
for not being polite enough.
(upbeat music)
- Oh, by the way, something smells real good here.
What is it?
Is it your hair?
(laughing)
- Too much.
- No, it's not your hair.
It's right here.
Something that's right here.
Let me see.
- [Kyion] Too much.
(audience laughing)
- Normally, when I do that routine then I go like,
"But rest assured,
"I won't bite you 'cause I'm a vegetarian, not vampire."
The most I will do is this, but I'm not gonna do it.
- I'm like disgusted, I'm like crawling.
- Don't do that.
Do not invade their personal space without their consent.
Don't touch people without their consent.
- Like, he's making it seem like,
"Oh, this is the way you can get girls
"if you like act like me."
But she clearly looks like, obviously like irritated.
She looks uncomfortable.
I feel bad for her, honestly, at this moment it's.
- I like myself, I like myself,
I like myself, I like myself.
'Cause I'm sexy, 'cause I'm sexy,
'cause I'm sexy, 'cause I'm sexy.
And sexy women crave my (beep).
Sexy women crave my (beep).
- It's nice, he's like uplifting like his male community.
I mean that's basically, I can't really say anything else.
Like, it just seems so sleazy.
- If they do that every morning, they feel confident,
all power to them to be honest.
- [Interviewer] Does that one get approval from you?
- I get, yeah, approval.
Minus the, you know, that thing.
But everything else, I respect it.
- I guess, it's cool that you're trying to help people.
I think that is very nice and kind from the heart.
- [Interviewer] Would you be open
to meeting Vince today face to face?
- I'm good, thank you.
(Riki chuckles)
- Not really, I don't think we'd have a ton in common.
- I'm moved, saddened, not really surprised.
(dramatic music)
Surprise
- Surprise.
- Hello.
(Brooklyn chuckles)
Hello Vince.
- It's nice to meet you.
- Likewise, you comfortable with touch?
- Only the hands.
I think we're in the day and age where you ask first
and yeah, the videos, they were,
it's out of context, you know?
- Yeah, 100%.
- We gotta know that it's out of context,
meaning, we don't see
what happen before. - But I have seen
your other videos though.
- You have?
- I have, yes.
- As far as some of the dating techniques,
it's important to respect each other as people.
And I feel like some of the things
that you were doing maybe make people uncomfortable,
especially, as a woman,
you don't know when, you know, if I deny this man,
if that's gonna be the man that tries to hurt me, you know?
So it's not always easy to just tell a guy,
"Hey, you're making me uncomfortable."
- I lived in Vegas when I was younger
and I was actually approached by a pickup artist
and he tried to touch me as a 13 year old.
- I come from the place of making men
more aware of abundance.
A a guy is talking to you and he does something
that makes you uncomfortable right away
because he knows there's more available.
He's good with that, so--
- Interesting logic.
- I'm making them gentlemen.
- I think it's disgusting but if you, you know, if,
I think a lot of men and people out there need help.
So I guess it's a good thing that you guys are helping them
but it just gotta, you know, not cross boundaries.
- A lot of it is due to a misconception.
A lot of people go, "Oh, that girl is uncomfortable."
The girl at the end of the free presentation hired me.
She became one of my top trainer.
So there's a lot of assumptions.
Assumption.
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- I'm "confidencechris" on TikTok.
The reason I think I give good dating advice
is because I know what the toxic guy thinks
because I have been that guy.
- [Interviewer] What's your opinion on feminists?
- You know, I like to think I'm a feminist.
I (beep) with feminism.
- Confidence Chris, it's not what you want to hear,
it's what you need to hear.
Okay, you can schedule a phone call
with him for an hour for $250.
(Kyion sneers)
Okay.
- All right, I know this one's gonna bad
'cause it's a podcast
and men and podcasts don't go well together to be honest.
- As a girl, you can be
with whoever the (beep) you wanna be, right?
There should be guys in life that you're like,
"You know, I (beep) with you
"but realistically you are not that cool
"and I'm down to just (beep)."
I don't think you should hold back.
I honestly don't think you should hold back
if you wanna (beep) the guy 'cause he is hot
and he doesn't have anything else going on for him.
- I understand where the opinion's coming from
but I don't really like the language
'cause it's like objectifying women as like a sexual object.
Just like I wouldn't talk about a man like that.
- There's nothing wrong with wanting to (beep) somebody
just because you wanna (beep) them.
You don't have to always be looking
for a relationship and that goes for men and women.
- This is gonna sound stupid,
but kind of look at them as if it was like,
you're just your home.
You know what I mean?
- Yeah.
- It's just like you're talking to somebody and it's like,
okay, like we're just having a regular ass conversation.
- Yeah.
- Treating them as
if you've known them for almost a really long time.
Not being afraid to just talk
to them like they're a normal (beep) person.
You know what I mean?
That's really what it comes down to--
- A friend.
- [Chris] Yes, a friend.
- [Client] A friend.
- Look at her like she's an ugly chic.
(laughing)
- He had me until the end.
Promoting confidence in people, that's great.
But like, talk to everybody as if they're a friend.
They don't need to be an ugly person
to talk to them with kindness and understanding.
Like just get to know people.
That's all you have to do at the end of the day.
- [Interviewer] What would you think if I told you
that most of his audience is women?
- I think, I mean, I can see why.
He's pretty, he's attractive.
- All right, let's go for our biggest icks for girls.
It's hygiene.
- Okay, one ick I have is when men use the word ick, okay?
That's a girl thing.
That's for the girls, I'm sorry.
Okay, continuing.
- You know, no one loves a smelly coochie.
You're not a bad bitch.
you're just a regular White girl from a small White town.
(Vikki laughs)
- Did you really just say, "Smelly coochie?"
- Sorry, the BBL's gotta go.
That shelf is looking a little suss, you tell me, come on.
- Okay, I'm personally not really for the BBLs,
but if they're making women,
if women wanna do that
and wanna look that way
then it's not really up to like this person
or this guy to decide that it's in or out.
I mean, tribal tattoos are out
and he still has these, moving on.
- Okay, do not give away your access for cheap.
It's giving feminist.
- You hold your access.
You really want a guy to like you a lot.
You make it (beep) hard.
- [Podcaster] Yeah.
- Think about the feeling you have
when you hike a small mountain.
You're like, "All right, I don't care."
But like, think about the feeling you would (beep) have
if you climbed Mount Everest.
Now imagine the same thing
about the way a guy was trying to go after you.
If you make it Mount Everest,
they're going to appreciate you a lot more.
- I see the logic, you know,
but I think everyone is different.
It's all a case-to-case thing.
- I do not agree with that at all.
(chuckles)
I feel like this kind of video is insidious
in its impact because it's saying to women like,
"Oh, you know, make things harder."
But what that message sends to men is,
"Oh, it's not that she isn't interested in me,
"that no didn't really mean no
"that no actually meant try harder."
And that's a lot more dangerous of a narrative.
- Chris, I think you might just be a little young
I don't know how old you are,
but I, some of these things like,
"Don't give away your access for cheap."
They just feel kind of like you have blinders on
and you're only thinking from your point of view
when there's like so many point of views.
- [Interviewer] Would you be open to meeting Chris today
and talking to him?
- Sure.
- I'd give it a shot.
- Hey.
- Nice to meet you.
- What's going on?
- Hi. - [Chris] Hey.
- How's it going?
- Chris.
- I thought you'd be taller.
- Thanks, I get that a lot.
- Yeah.
(Chris snickers)
- Hello short king.
- Oh, Jesus Christ.
- Can I give you a hug?
- Yeah, you give me a hug.
- Oh my God.
- I know you only only saw a handful of the videos, but--
- I think I've actually seen your stuff on TikTok.
That's why I think I was confused
'cause I've seen stuff,
like your other stuff on TikTok
that actually gave really solid advice.
- I think that's like the issue though is that,
like a lot of people do see these like quick things.
They make one second judgment
and then they're just like, (beep) this guy.
- Yeah.
- You know what I mean?
- I think that's a problem with the internet.
- Would you say that any of my videos,
I think you said one of them was insidious.
- Not intentionally insidious,
but I do think it has the potential
to bring the wrong message to the wrong people.
- Gotcha.
- Which is what I'm saying, like,
'cause like I don't think you come from a bad place.
You don't--
- No.
- You don't strike me as one of those bad dudes who's like,
"Oh, (beep) red pill."
- No.
- Like, you're not
one of those guys - No, that's not my vibe.
- It just seems like there might be
a little bit of blinders on in certain areas.
- That's fair, I mean, I would agree with that.
I feel like I hear a lot of these comments like online
but then just like hearing it from people directly
is just a different experience.
You're like, "That's not what I intended."
I think hearing all those different perspectives,
like, honestly, in a weird way helps me like,
think about or make the content I make because I'm like,
"What I'm (beep) saying is not necessarily
"what they're picking up, to be honest."
Actually no, that's my new thing
is that I'm trying to like date a girl
who's like six foot, you know what I'm saying?
I'd be like,
"Yo, can you get that like box of Cheerios for me?"
And like handle my business too.
I'd be like, "Yeah, that guy is bothering me."
(Chris and Kyion chuckle)
- This guy's bothering me.
(Chris laughs)
Let me get out off here.
(Kyion laughs)