KENNEDY: WE'VE GOT A NEWS ALERT
NOW.
THE BORDER DEAL REACHED ON
CAPITOL HILL JUST MOMENTS AGO
CALLS FOR 1.3 BILLION FOR A
PHYSICAL BARRIER ON THE SOUTHERN
BORDER.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CALLED FOR
5.7 BILLION.
SO IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN IF HE'S
GOING TO SIGN IT.
THE AGREEMENT ALSO CALLS FOR
40,000 BEDS AT I.C.E. DETENTION
CENTERS.
I'M SURE THEY WILL BE VERY
COMFORTABLE.
THE GREEN NEW DEAL MAY HAVE
GOTTEN ITS NAME BECAUSE YOU'VE
BEEN SMOKING THE GREEN TO
SUPPORT IT.
THE BILL HAS BEEN TAKING A
BEATING SINCE IT WAS UNVEILED BY
CONGRESSWOMAN TURNED CLASS
PRESIDENT AL ALEXANDRIA OCASIO
CORTEZ BUT TOP 2020 CANDIDATES
ARE LINING UP TO ENDORSE IT.
CORY BOOKER, ELIZABETH WARREN
HAVE ENDORSED THE RESOLUTION AND
BERNIE SANDERS IS ALSO BACKING
THE PLAN.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SOUNDS
CRAZIER THAN ME.
TOP REPUBLICANS CALLING THE
PROPOSAL A CAMPAIGN GIFT FOR
2020, BUT WILL THE GREEN NEW
DEAL HELP THE G.O.P. OR IS THAT
UNREALISTIC LIKE THE PROMISES IN
THE BILL?
JOINING ME NOW ASSOCIATE
PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS AT THE
KINGS COLLEGE HERE IN MANHATTAN
IS BACK, BRIANOMICS.
IT IS SO EXPENSIVE, IT IS
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
WE ADDED IT UP LAST WEEK, 80
TRILLION DOLLARS.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADD IT.
SO MANY VAGUE PIECES.
>> 13 TRILLION TO MOVE THE GRID
TO ALL -- AND 32 TRILLION
MEDICARE FOR ALL --
>> SO ALL OF THAT IS TRUE.
ALL OF THE CRITIQUES ARE TRUE.
YOU HAVE GOT REPUBLICANS.
YOU HAVE GOT CONSERVATIVES.
YOU HAVE LIBERTARIANS COMING AT
IT FOR COST.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT
THE THING IS I DON'T ACTUALLY
THINK THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING
TO SUPPORT THIS, AND I THINK IT
WILL BE A SIZABLE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE, THEY ARE NOT PERSUADED
BY ACCOUNTING.
THEY ARE NOT PERSUADED BY COST.
THEY ARE NOT PERSUADED BY BUDGET
CONSIDERATIONS.
THIS THING IS NOT PRACTICAL
POLICY FOR THEM.
IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.
THIS IS AN IDENTITY ISSUE FOR
PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK
THE PROBLEM IS COMING IN HERE
FOR REPUBLICANS.
THEY ARE HAMMERING THIS THING,
BUT THEY'RE MISSING THE POINT.
PEOPLE WHO ARE LINING UP BEHIND
IT AREN'T LINING UP BECAUSE THEY
THINK IT IS PRACTICAL.
THEY LIKE IT BECAUSE IT SAYS
SOMETHING ABOUT WHO THEY ARE.
KENNEDY: THAT'S FINE.
YOU CAN HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS,
AND YOU CAN HAVE A DESIRE TO
BECOME LESS ENERGY DEPENDENT AND
TO TAKE CARE OF THE EARTH AND
MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.
YOU DON'T NEED BIG GOVERNMENT
AND MULTITRILLION DOLLARS
DEFICITS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT
HAPPEN.
>> BUT I JUST THINK PEOPLE ARE
SAYING YEAH, YOU DO ACTUALLY.
LOOK AT THE NEW DEAL.
HOW DID WE GET THINGS DONE IN
THE RUN UP TO WORLD WAR II?
THAT'S THE POINT.
PRACTICAL HISTORY DOESN'T
MATTER.
KENNEDY: THAT'S WHAT DRIVES ME
CRAZY.
THE NEW DEAL IS NOT A UTOPIA.
THERE'S A LOT ABOUT THAT THAT'S
INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC, BIG
GOVERNMENT, STUFF WE'RE SADDLED
WITH THAT WE CAN'T PAY FOR.
>> UNBELIEVABLY DESTRUCTIVE BUT
THE NARRATIVE AROUND THE NEW
DEAL IS IT'S THE THING THAT
SAVED US FROM THE GREAT
DEPRESSION AND PEOPLE LOOK AT
THAT, OH I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT
SAVED US FROM THE GREAT
DEPRESSION.
I LIKE GREEN.
I WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
I WANT TO BE FORWARD LEANING.
PUT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER,
THAT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING I CAN
GET BEHIND.
THIS IS NOT POLITICS.
IT IS MORE LIKE RELIGION THAN
POLITICS.
I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO
IDENTIFY WITH.
KENNEDY: THAT'S VERY
INTERESTING.
>> BUT AGAIN, REPUBLICANS ARE
PUNCHING ON OH IT'S NOT
PRACTICAL.
IT IS TOO COSTLY.
GREAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT
GREEN -- THEY SAY THAT'S WHAT I
WANT.
I WANT SOMETHING BIG AND BOLD.
I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
ACCOUNTING.
KENNEDY: WHAT'S WRONG WITH
CAPITALISM?
>> IF YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE
GREEN NEW DEAL, WHY DO YOU CARE
ABOUT CAPITALISM?
KENNEDY: BECAUSE CAPITALISM MAKE
PEOPLE RICH, THERE ARE FEWER
POOR PEOPLE.
>> YOU ARE THINKING PRACTICALLY
ABOUT THIS.
THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DON'T
THINK PRACTICALLY ABOUT IT.
KENNEDY: THEY ARE DUMB.
I CAN'T HELP THEM IF THEY ARE
DUMB.
THEY CAN'T ALL BE ME.
SORRY.
>> BERNIE SANDERS SHOULD HAVE
BEEN THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR
PRESIDENT IN 2016 IF THE PROCESS
WAS FAIR.
PEOPLE GOT BEHIND HIM.
NOT BECAUSE ANYTHING HE SAID
MADE SENSE BUT BECAUSE HE GAVE
THEM A VISION.
THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS BERNIE
SANDERS.
THE GREEN NEW DEAL CAN BE
ANYBODY.
IT IS PREPACKAGED FOR ANYBODY
WHON'T WHATS TO TAKE IT.
-- WHO WANTS TO TAKE IT.
KENNEDY: IT IS PHONY BALONEY
NONSENSE THAT WILL BANKRUPT US
ALL.
I DON'T WANT TO BE VENEZUELA.
>> IF ALL WE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT
IT THAT IT'S TOO COSTLY AND WE
DON'T OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE
VISION FOR WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT