>>> AS THE U.S. DEATH TOLL SURPASSED 60,000 YESTERDAY, THE
PRESIDENT SEEMED TO REVERT TO
HIS OLD LINE OF THINKING, THAT
THE VIRUS WILL JUST DISAPPEAR.
THIS CLAIM HAS BEEN REFUTED TIME
AND TIME AGAIN BY THE
ADMINISTRATION’S OWN TOP
EXPERTS.
EXPERTS. WHO SAY THE VIRUS WILL COME BACK
IN THE FALL AND WILL LIKELY BE
WORSE IF IT COINCIDES WITH THE
FLU SEASON.
FLU SEASON. HERE IS DR. ANTHONY FAUCI ON
TUESDAY, AND THE PRESIDENT
CONTRADICTING HIM YESTERDAY.
>> IT’S NOT GOING TO DISAPPEAR
FROM THE PLANET, WHICH MEANS AS
WE GET INTO NEXT SEASON, IN MY
MIND, IT’S INEVITABLE THAT WE
WILL HAVE A RETURN OF THE VIRUS,
OR MAYBE IT NEVER EVEN WENT
AWAY.
AWAY. WHEN IT DOES, HOW WE HANDLE IT
WILL DETERMINE OUR FATE.
IF BY THAT TIME WE HAVE PUT INTO
PLACE ALL OF THE COUNTERMEASURES
THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THIS,
WE SHOULD DO REASONABLY WELL.
IF WE DON’T DO THAT
SUCCESSFULLY, WE COULD BE IN FOR
A BAD FALL AND A BAD WINTER.
>> WITHOUT A VACCINE, SIR, WHY
DO YOU THINK THE VIRUS WILL JUST
BE GONE?
BE GONE? >> IT IS GOING TO GO.
IT IS GOING TO LEAVE.
IT IS GOING TO BE GONE.
IT IS GOING TO BE ERADICATED.
AND IT MIGHT TAKE LONGER.
IT MIGHT BE IN SMALLER SECTIONS.
IT’LL BE -- IT WON’T BE WHAT WE
HAD.
HAD. WE ALSO LEARNED A LOT.
IF YOU HAVE A FLARE UP IN A
CERTAIN AREA, IF YOU HAVE A -- I
CALL THEM BURNING EMBERS, BOOM,
WE PUT IT OUT.
WE KNOW HOW TO PUT IT OUT NOW.
WE PUT IT OUT.
NOW, WE’RE EQUIPPED.
>> WHAT MIGHT THE NEW NORMAL
LOOK LIKE IN TWO, THREE YEARS
FROM NOW?
FROM NOW? SAY, RESTAURANT WORKERS, HOTEL
WORKERS, MIGHT THEY BE REQUIRED
TO WEAR MASKS, THAT SORT OF
THING?
THING? >> NO.
>> NO. I SEE THE NEW NORMAL BEING WHAT
IT WAS THREE MONTHS AGO.
I THINK WE WANT TO GO BACK TO
WHERE IT WAS.
I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT A
BASEBALL GAME, I WANT PEOPLE
RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
I DON’T WANT FOUR SEATS IN
BETWEEN EVERY PERSON, SO THAT
THE STADIUM BECOMES 25% OF ITS
ORIGINAL SIZE.
ORIGINAL SIZE. NO, I WANT TO SEE THE NFL WITH A
PACKED HOUSE.
PACKED HOUSE. I DON’T WANT TO SEE NFL WITH
THREE SEATS IN BETWEEN PEOPLE.
NO, I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHERE
IT WAS.
IT WAS. THAT’S WHERE WE’RE GOING TO BE.
HOPEFULLY IN THE NOT-TOO-DISTANT
FUTURE, WE’LL HAVE MASSIVE
RALLIES, AND PEOPLE WILL BE
SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
I CAN’T IMAGINE A RALLY WHERE
YOU HAVE EVERY FOURTH SEAT FULL.
EVERY SIX SEATS ARE EMPTY FOR
EVERYONE.
EVERYONE. THAT WOULDN’T LOOK TOO GOOD.
>> JOINING US NOW FROM THE WHITE
HOUSE, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT
CAROL LEE.
CAROL LEE. CAROL, GOOD MORNING.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
SO THE PRESIDENT INDICATED
YESTERDAY THAT THOSE RALLIES
THAT HE JUST TALKED ABOUT THERE
MAY BE HAPPENING VERY SOON, AS
IN NEXT WEEK.
HE TALKED ABOUT A TRIP TO
ARIZONA.
ARIZONA. THIS AS THOSE WHITE HOUSE
GUIDELINES FOR SOCIAL DISTANCING
EXPIRE TODAY, I SHOULD POINT
OUT.
OUT. THE PRESIDENT SAID YESTERDAY HE
DOESN’T SEE A REASON TO EXTEND
THOSE.
THOSE. WHAT MORE CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT
HIS PLANS BEGINNING AS EARLY AS
NEXT WEEK?
NEXT WEEK? >> Reporter: WELL, WILLIE, WE
KNOW HE IS NOT GOING TO BE DOING
BIG RALLIES ANY TIME SOON.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE
THINGS WE HEARD FROM THE
PRESIDENT AND SOME OF HIS AIDES
YESTERDAY THAT WAS MORE OF AHOW
THEY WANT THINGS TO BE, RATHER
THAN HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO BE.
WHAT WE KNOW IS THE PRESIDENT IS
GOING TO TRAVEL TO ARIZONA AND
OHIO.
OHIO. THESE ARE GOING TO BE SMALL
EVENTS.
EVENTS. THEY’RE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE
SEEN VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE
DO WHEN HE’S TRAVELED OUTSIDE OF
WASHINGTON IN THE LAST FEW
WEEKS.
WEEKS. ALTHOUGH, WE DON’T EXPECT THE
PRESIDENT IS GOING TO DO
MEDICAL-FOCUSED EVENTS.
MEDICAL-FOCUSED EVENTS. AGAIN, IT IS ALL IN THE VEIN OF
THE WHITE HOUSE TRYING TO SHIFT
ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE MEDICAL
ASPECT OF THIS, THE PANDEMIC,
AND FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY.
SO HE’LL BE IN ARIZONA LIKELY
WITH DOING SOME SORT OF EVENT
THAT IS EITHER GEARED TOWARDS
SHOWING THAT THE VIRUS IS GOING
TO BE WANING AND WILL GO AWAY
SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE,
THAT THERE WILL BE A RECOVERY,
OF SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC-FOCUSED
EVENT.
EVENT. HE’S BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS FOR
SOME TIME.
SOME TIME. THEY’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW
TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE THE
PRESIDENT, FRANKLY, TRAVELS WITH
A VERY LARGE FOOTPRINT.
IN THIS TIME, THAT’S NOT
NECESSARILY WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE
HAS BEEN ADVISING PEOPLE TO DO.
>> CAROL, YOU ALSO ARE DOING
SOME REPORTING ON THAT MEETING
LAST WEEK IN WHICH PRESIDENT
TRUMP IS REPORTED TO HAVE
SCREAMED AT HIS CAMPAIGN
MANAGER, BRAD PARSCALE, OVER THE
PHONE, WHEN PARSCALE BROUGHT HIM
THE BATTLEGROUND POLLS.
NOT NECESSARILY THE ONES WE
SHOWED, BUT THEIR OWN, INTERNAL
POLLING.
POLLING. HE CAN WRITE-OFF PUBLIC POLLING,
AS HE OFTEN DOES WHEN IT IS
INCONVENIENT FOR HIM, BUT THIS
IS INTERNAL CAMPAIGN POLLING,
DURING WHICH PARSCALE SAID, "YOU
WOULD LOSE THE ELECTION IF IT
WERE HELD TODAY."
WHAT MORE CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT
THAT MEETING?
THAT MEETING? >> Reporter: WELL, THERE WERE
MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS
THAT WE KNOW OF.
THEY WERE VERY TENSE.
THE PRESIDENT, WE WERE TOLD, WAS
IN A HORRIFIC MOOD WHEN HE WAS
SHOWN THESE POLLS.
TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, HIS
ADVISERS WILL SHOW HIM MORE
POSITIVE POLLS, THEN MAYBE TRY
TO WORK IN SOME OF THE MORE
DAMAGING POLLING.
DAMAGING POLLING. THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN HERE.
I THINK THERE WAS ALMOST A SORT
OF INTERVENTION, TO BASICALLY
SAY, "LOOK, SOMETHING HAS TO
CHANGE."
CHANGE." I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT, AT
LEAST AS WE HAVE SEEN THIS WEEK,
HAS KIND OF AGREED TO THE
CHANGES IN HOW HE’S PRESENTING
WHATEVER HE WANTS TO SAY
PUBLICLY, THE TYPES OF EVENTS
THAT HE IS DOING.
TODAY, HE’LL DO AN EVENT WITH
SENIORS.
SENIORS. JOE WAS TALKING EARLIER ABOUT
HOW THE PRESIDENT’S PUBLIC
POLLING HAS DROPPED WITH SENIORS
IN FLORIDA.
IN FLORIDA. THAT’S A REAL CONCERN.
YOU’RE GOING TO SEE HIM DOING AN
EVENT LATER THIS AFTERNOON
THAT’S FOCUSED ON SENIORS.
THERE ARE ALARM BELLS GOING OFF
INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE AND
INSIDE THE CAMPAIGN ABOUT THIS.
THEY’RE VERY CONCERNED.