do you think that the animals that we
eat also want to live in the same way
that we would if we were in that
situation we got no doubt about it
about it that's why we're vegans and
vegetarians are presented
right you didn't ask all the wrong
questions
if an alien life form came down from
space and they said that they wanted to
eat you what would you say to them to
make them not do it
uh i'm not edible i would persuade them
to eat
someone larger in size what if i say i'm
part of their species
would they eat themselves or are they
cannibals well no i mean like let's say
they're completely convinced and they
want you to plead on an emotional level
they want you to play like from the
heart and dig deep
would you say like you know i'm a human
being i want to live you know i have i
want to you know i have dreams and
aspirations maybe i have a family
something like that
yeah i'll probably well they probably
wouldn't care honestly but
yeah i'll tell them like look i just
spent this much time i gotta you know i
gotta experience life i gotta do this
come back and probably about 10 15 maybe
20 or 30 more years and then see me
come find me then so i mean like i feel
like if we're put in a situation
the thing we'd want to do is like look i
have a family you know look i'm alive
like i'm conscious i'm sentient i'm all
these things right and i don't want to
die that's what it boils down to so
let's apply that let's apply that right
and let's apply it to a situation where
it's not aliens it's not real life
and where the aliens and non-human
animals are the humans right do you
think that the animals that we eat also
want to live in the same way that we
would if we were in that situation
no doubt about it that's why we're
vegans and vegetarians and presents
right you didn't ask all the wrong
questions
yeah yeah yeah what made you go vegan
you just said all the stuff yeah and now
we're the aliens right
and now the victims are no longer humans
but they're non-human animals
do you think that they want to live in
the same way that we do if you know when
we're the oppressor
yeah of course yeah they do yeah and do
you think if they could maybe speak our
language they'd say the same things that
that we would to those aliens yeah i
agree
that's great do they like us feel pain
and have the ability to suffer are they
conscious and alive yes
and do you think that like yourself in
that situation do you think the animals
would like to live
yeah and what justification do you use
to to eat them
what justification do i usually eat the
animal yeah
i mean i don't i'm not personally inside
the
you know the butcher and stuff but like
but you pay for it to happen is that
right
i'm sorry did you pay for you pay for
them to be killed though right
yeah i guess yeah i guess yeah like when
we buy like chicken or you know a cow
whatever it is
because we buy the steak or the chicken
breast we're paying for them to be
killed right
yeah we really are yeah and how do we
morally justify that
i really don't know probably saying that
um
that they're the only thing that offer
the nutrients that we need
but really it's not so can we live
without them do you think
absolutely it's people that live without
them every day right
how do you think we then morally justify
taking the life of an animal if we don't
have to
i feel like this just i mean it's just
over processing it i mean that's why a
lot of
animals and stuff are going to extinct
it's just unnecessary it's unnecessary
what moral justification do you think
that we have to take their life from
them
do you think that we are superior and
why not do you think
because we're all living we're like
actually
being we don't have the right to take a
life
do we have to eat animal products like
meat dairy and eggs to live or can we
survive without them
do you guys eat animal products yeah
we were raised with animal products and
since we still like we're minors we
still live with our parents it's
difficult not living off of them
but i feel like maybe we like restrained
from eating certain products do you guys
eat animal products yourselves meat
dairy or eggs
nah i eat dairy yeah but i don't eat any
meat it's your veggie
right are you veggies as well yeah and
what was it inspired you to inspire you
to be veggie
we're brought up that way so it was like
from our parents they
um they didn't stop us from eating
meat but they didn't eat any so we just
followed the same
was that a religious thing well for them
it is really just for us it's a choice
so
very good very good we we both are like
animal lovers like we foster animals so
it's kind of like
like it's something like more related to
like you know loving animals rather than
like eating them
i love that that's lovely i really like
it so so in your eyes what's more
important taste or life
life always so if uh if we don't have to
eat them when you value life over taste
then are you not living in a some sort
of like a hypocrisy almost
when you do pay for them to die
sort of yeah and how do you feel about
that
you've gone i've got you i've got you
and what do you think is more important
taste or life life everybody's life is
more important to taste
even an animal's life do you eat animal
products yourself like meat dairy and
eggs some i've actually cut back on a
lot of stuff i carry i got three dogs i
care about animals
right and you'd never eat a dog right oh
no do you think morally there's a
difference between eating say a dog or a
cow or a pig or a chicken
no it's about the same because they all
i mean everybody's life a living
you know human being or living animals
living so
right that's so true and i feel like if
we could see
you know these animals that we eat as
being the same as the pets that we love
in our home it would change
so much by our relationship with animals
right but like cultures dictated that we
have to eat some animals and love others
i don't know everybody everybody's the
same everybody's human just like no
matter color
height size no matter what we're all
human so absolutely right
i totally echo that what's more
important do you think taste or life
life is more important yeah yeah and so
would you say the taste of say
you know milk or dairy ice cream or
dairy cheese is still less than the life
of a cow
no no it's not absolutely yeah yeah
say like there was an animal being uh
killed in front of you what would you
like step in and try and save the animal
of course yes so do you think if that
same animal has been killed behind a
wall and says slaughterhouse does that
now make it moral or is it still wrong
and do you think that as consumers when
we go into a supermarket like walmart or
rev and we buy that piece of meat
are we the ones responsible for the
animal being killed
yeah like we all have a degree of
responsibility in it
so the blood is still in our hands even
if we don't do the killing ourselves
yes oh and what do you think happens to
a dairy cow when she can no longer
produce milk
probably she would be
like cut down for meat or leather
product i guess
yeah so she's taken to the
slaughterhouse so if if
if you're both vegetarian because you
believe that animals shouldn't shrink
kill animals for meat
do you think that dairy falls into that
kind of bracket of being killed for meat
as well
kill for me yeah cause they're all end
up in the same slaughterhouse
yeah you could say that would you ever
eat a dog yourself personally no
yeah this is it right so i guess i
already i think i already know the
answer to this question but
morally is there a difference between
eating a dog and eating a cow or a
chicken or a pig
or a sheep or a fish no no no no
so if we wouldn't eat a dog why would we
any of the other animals
we're not sure and you heard of veganism
before yes i have and it's veganism
something you would advocate to try i
actually tried it before like sometimes
i go through times where i don't eat
meats
or like eating only certain things so i
try to
i'll just let go it's tough yeah
trying different things isn't as bad you
know it's not bad
you don't know until you truly try it
yeah and there's so many great
substitutes now and so many delicious
plants that we can eat instead right
do you think it'd be something you'd
want to try again bearing in mind that
these animals have a preference to live
and
we know there's no reason to take their
life oh yeah i'm trying it now
like yeah you're a constant doing it
yeah a healthier life and do you
so do you think that next time well now
that you're doing it if you ever get
those temptations against those cravings
you want to eat that steak or that piece
of cheese or those scrambled eggs do you
think you would ever just like think
about the animal
and objectively try and see their
suffering to to stop those cravings
and you know a lot of people don't think
about stuff until it's actually brought
to light so you know
unless it's not saying nobody's going to
truly think of it that way absolutely
right
i think that's so that's the point we
have to make that connection between the
products that we buy and the suffering
those animals have endured because we go
into a mcdonald's or
a walmart or whatever and we just see
the piece of meat or the piece of cheese
and we don't think about the suffering
the process those animals have endured
to get to that slab of meat at the end
and if we saw it ourselves we probably
think differently
and you're a vegetarian i'm pescatarian
pescatarian
so fish dairy and eggs and oh great and
you're like
not that much dairy but just cheese is
the only dairy cheese right
cheese and is it something you're
wanting to give up in the future do you
think yeah i see myself moving more and
more that direction
to a vegan lifestyle yeah more
plant-based just
but i mean vegeta i mean i probably can
give up eggs so yeah yeah
would that be like an ethical thing a
health thing an environmental thing
and yourself so exactly well i mean it's
hard to change from
meat i like my steak yeah hey how you
feeling i like it's about protein
bacon bacon but i have made that
transition over to turkey
okay that helps turkey bacon it's
amazing yeah
and tell me just it's one question maybe
last question
what do you value more taste or life
see how they put it overnight absolutely
i mean when you put in that perspective
of life all day because when we buy
those products
an animal has to die for us even if it's
dairy and eggs right they have to die
for us
and if we saw that animal suffering in
front of us we wouldn't like it wouldn't
we
that energy that it had while it was
suffering transfers into your food
and then you eat that and then you
become what you eat all that anger
inside of my body
why would i choose that right all that
have you just seen the chickens die they
scared i don't need that
the question i like to ask people
because i think this is what really
simplifies it
is what is more important in your eyes
taste or life
life and do you understand or do you
think maybe that when we buy those
products and we eat them
we're actually saying that we think our
taste buds are more important than their
life
so we almost live in like a state of
hypocrisy where we we
where we believe one thing but then we
practice another because we're all
against animal cruelty right
yeah and would you consider ourselves to
be animal lovers
yes do you think you can love animals if
you pay for them to die
it's like oh
you know we can live now without
consuming these products right so
i think when we have the option between
not causing harm and causing harm
morally we all agree that it's better to
not cause that harm is veganism
something you'd ever consider trying
it seems like you're basically nearly
there yeah yeah i would i would i
gradually i'm i'm we were talking a
while back
to not have um like milk in our
like uh life as a source of food i mean
we're so detached from it like
when i said about you paying for them to
be killed it took a second because we
don't think we are we go into mcdonald's
or the supermarket walmart wherever it
is and we just buy the end product but
we don't see the whole process and if
if we were the ones to see the process
maybe we'd think differently i mean
let's say
if you had to kill the animal yourself
would you do it no
so if you couldn't do yourself how do
you justify paying someone else to do it
for you
i honestly don't we just see the product
when we buy the product
exactly we don't buy the history of the
product exactly but that blood is still
in our hands right
yeah yeah yeah
good too bad association guilt well
guilty by purchase right you know
whether one's doing it only happens
because of us consumer yeah
do you think you could kill an animal
yourself no i definitely i can't kill
anything
so so with that in mind how do we
justify paying someone else to do it on
our behalf if we couldn't do it
ourselves
uh i would just say practices and
actually just bringing it
into existence just talking about it i
mean that's the only thing we can do is
just spread it through word-of-mouth so
trying to make awareness of things is
the only way we can do to just hope that
people can change
absolutely and and you are someone who's
changing i love that have a lovely day
thank you the way i see it is we've got
nothing to lose from trying veganism we
have everything to gain it's better for
the environment
better for our health and obviously
better for the animals ah i appreciate
you speaking to me
have a lovely day yeah you do all the
best to you why do these things happen
to animals why are animals killed
it's because we buy it right yeah and if
we stop buying it then it stops
happening
would you agree yes
in a way yeah just like supply and
demand you know
yeah so if we all stop buying it like i
know
as one person we feel that we don't make
a difference but if we stop buying it
we can make the difference now so in the
us between the year 2007
and 2014 400 million fewer animals were
killed in 2014 compared to 2007
because less and less people were eating
animal products like meat dairy and eggs
so
that that you know that change is is
real and every time we make a different
purchase and we don't buy the animal
products we buy something else
like a vegan product we're changing that
system and we stop
animals from being killed is that
something you've ever thought about
yeah yeah so so i mean is it more so
about
the fact of you eating another animal or
the way that it was prepared
so kosher and things like that are you
okay with
that are you more so no no no killing of
me at all
so shall i say my man humans have been
eating meat forever
not forever the way i say it for a long
time
not as an everyday thing yeah my bad for
the way i say is it's just because we've
done something
for a long time doesn't justify it today
and
i know i know you feel that way for me
it's about the use of animals in general
so even if we found a way where they you
know there was no pain there was no
suffering so there was no fear
they still want to live their life and
we have no right to take it from them so
it's not about the way it's done
it's about the facts it's done at all
that's how i feel about it how do you
feel about it yeah that makes sense
it's about the exploitation in general
you know it's about you know when we use
them for our own advantages
wow yeah i mean it's a it's a hard word
right yeah yeah yeah yeah
animals yeah they're we're animals right
we all think we all feel that's the
point is trying to make it the beginning
right
intrinsically we're all conscious
they're all sentient we all want to live
and when it boils down to it they're
exactly the same as us they may not be
as intelligent they may not speak the
language we speak
or be able to you know react or have
aspirations and dreams in the same way
that we do but
they want to live and they suffer and
that's what it boils down to i agree
do you think that veganism is something
you would like to end up at in the
future
it's a goal it's a goal i like that good
for you man good for you one step at a
time
i mean i don't want to put you on the
spot that's not what i mean no more
bacon
but it's true no more bacon right thank
you so much have a lovely day
best of luck with everything bye bye
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