BACK
BACK TOGETHER. SUSANNAH FRAME SAYS THE
VETERANS ARE FEELING CHEATED
AND TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
>> Reporter: IN A FOUR-MONTH
INVESTIGATION, WE FOUND THE
ONCE THRIVING ORGANIZATION IS
FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS.
VETERANS GETTING PAID LATE.
NOT GETTING PAID AT ALL, AND
LIVING IN MISERABLE
CONDITIONS.
CONDITIONS. WE FOUND UNEXPLAINED EXPENSES
THAT DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH HELPING
VETS.
VETS.
VETS. >>
VETS. >> HOW MANY OF YOU JUST FEEL
CHEATED?
CHEATED?
CHEATED? >> I DO.
>> I DO.
>> I DO. >> Reporter: IN APRIL, A GROUP
OF VETERANS CAME OUT WITH A
STRAIGHTFORWARD MESSAGE.
STRAIGHTFORWARD MESSAGE. THEY ARE FED UP WITH AN
ORGANIZATION THAT AT ONE POINT
GAVE THEM A LEG UP.
>> SLEPT ON THIS SIDE.
USED TO PITCH A LITTLE TENT.
>> Reporter: LIKE GARWICK, A
62-YEAR-OLD DISABLED VET WHO
USED TO LIVE BEHIND THIS
BOWLING ALLEY.
BOWLING ALLEY. THREE DECADES, THE VIEW
LOCATED IN UNIVERSITY PLACE IN
TACOMA GAVE HIM AND MANY
OTHERS STABLE HOUSING AND A
JOB IN THE VIEW'S WORKSHOP.
REFURBISHING PRODUCTS UNDER
CONTRACTS WITH BOEING.
THE VIEW WAS OFFERING HOPE AND
SELF-RESPECT.
SELF-RESPECT. >> HOW BAD DID YOU NEED THAT
FOR YOURSELF TO FEEL GOOD
ABOUT YOURSELF?
ABOUT YOURSELF? >> I NEEDED IT REAL BAD.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH
LONGER I WOULD HAVE LASTED ON
THE STREETS.
THE STREETS. >> Reporter: BUT FOR THE LAST
YEAR, WHEN PAYDAY ROLLS
AROUND, THEY SAY INSTEAD OF
MONEY, THE VIEW GIVERS THEM
EXCUSES.
EXCUSES.
EXCUSES. THEY FILED COMPLAINTS WITH THE
STATE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND
INDUSTRIES ASKING FOR HELP.
THEY REPORTED PAYCHECKS
BOUNCING, BEING PAID LATE AND
AT TIMES NOT GETTING PAID AT
ALL.
ALL.
ALL. THEY
ALL. THEY ALSO FILED A LAWSUIT
INVOLVING 70 VETERANS WHO SAY
THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE
OF.
OF.
OF. >>
OF. >> HOW MANY OF YOU BELIEVE THE
VIEW OWES YOU MONEY?
>> I DO.
>> I DO.
>> I DO. >> Reporter: IN COURT RECORDS,
THE VIEW SAYS THEY HAVE PAID
UP WHAT THEY OWE.
BUT ACCORDING TO THE VETERANS,
THE MONEY PLUS POSSIBLE STATE
PENALTIES HAS ADDED UP.
>> CLOSE TO $600 IN BACK PAY.
>> $1,500.
>> $1,500. >> OVER 7,000.
>> AT LEAST 25,000.
>> $33,000.
>> $33,000. >> Reporter: THAT'S MIKE
GARWICK.
GARWICK.
GARWICK. LOSS OF INCOME HAS TAKEN A
TOLL.
TOLL.
TOLL. THE
TOLL. THE ONCE PROUD ARMY SOLDIER
BASED AT FORT LOUIS HAS LOST
30 POUNDS TRYING TO SKIMP ON
EXPENSES.
EXPENSES.
EXPENSES. >> I WENT FROM EATING TWO OR
THREE TIMES A DAY TO NOW
EATING ONCE AND MAYBE A SNACK.
TO MAKE THE FOOD STAMPS LAST.
YOU CAN SEE THE BLACK MOLD IN
THE SHOWER AREA.
>> Reporter: THAT'S ANOTHER
SIGN OF FINANCIAL TROUBLE, THE
ORGANIZATION IS SUPPOSED TO
MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, BUT
THEY ARE FALLING APART.
A GARAGE ROTTING AWAY.
AN LOTS OF MOLDY CONDITIONS.
>> VETERANS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO
LIVE THIS WAY.
>> OUR RESPIRATORS COME IN
FROM BOEING.
FROM BOEING. >> Reporter: THIS IS THE
OPERATIONS MANAGER, ROSEMARY
HIBLER.
HIBLER.
HIBLER. SHE IS WORKING TO FIX THE
HOUSING.
HOUSING.
HOUSING. >> I LIKE WORKING WITH
NONPROFITS BECAUSE I LIKE
HELPING PEOPLE.
HELPING PEOPLE. >> Reporter: SHE IS AN ARMY
VETERAN HERSELF.
VETERAN HERSELF. SHE SERVES ON AN A PRESTIGIOUS
VETERAN'S ADVISORY BOARD FOR
THE STATE OF WASHINGTON.
AND LAST VETERAN'S DAY, SHE
APPEARED ON KING 5 AS AN
EXPERT.
EXPERT.
EXPERT. >> WE CAN ALSO EMPLOY THEM SO
THAT THEY CAN BE ON THE RIGHT
PATH TO SELF-SUFFICIENCY.
>> Reporter: SO WHY DOESN'T
THE VIEW THE APPEAR TO BE SELF-
SUFFICIENT ANYMORE?
SUFFICIENT ANYMORE? SHE SAYS WHEN SHE WAS PUT IN
CONTROL OF THE FINANCES THREE
YEARS AGO, SHE FOUND THE VIEW
SADDLED WITH OLD DEBT.
>> WE ARE IN FINANCIAL
RECOVERY.
RECOVERY.
RECOVERY. AND, THAT IS THE TRUTH.
>> Reporter: THE KING 5
INVESTIGATORS ANALYZED MORE
THAN 1200 PAGES OF FINANCIAL,
STATE, AND LEGAL RECORDS THAT
REVEAL SOMETHING ELSE.
>> ARE YOU STEALING FROM THE
VIEW?
VIEW?
VIEW? >>
VIEW? >> NO.
>> NO.
>> NO. >>
>> NO. >> Reporter: ROSEMARY HIDLER
IS AN EIGHT-TIME CONVICTED
FELON.
FELON.
FELON. SHE SPENT TIME IN PRISON FOR
FORGERY AND THEFT, STEALING
MONEY FROM TWO COMPANIES WHERE
SHE WORK AS A BOOKKEEPER.
AND AT THE VIEW, BANK RECORDS
FILED IN REPORT SHOWED DOZENS
OF SUSPICIOUS TRANSACTIONS
INCLUDING A $35,000 TRANSFER
INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S ACCOUNT.
AND, WE FOUND THE NONPROFIT'S
MONEY ENDING UP HERE.
INSIDE LOCAL CASINOS.
>> I HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO
BELIEVE YOU HAVE TAKEN MONEY
FROM THE VIEW AND GAMBLED IT
AWAY.
AWAY.
AWAY. >>
AWAY. >> OKAY.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO ANSWER
THAT.
THAT.
THAT. I'M
THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT ANY
CREDENCE AT ALL.
>> Reporter: ARE YOU FAMILIAR
WITH ANY OF THESE WITHDRAWALS
AT THE MCCA CASINO?
>> WHERE DID YOU GET THIS?
THIS IS OUR FILES THAT'S
MISSING.
MISSING.
MISSING. >> Reporter: DO YOU RECOGNIZE
THOSE?
THOSE?
THOSE? >>
THOSE? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
>> Reporter: THESE ARE
WITHDRAWS AT THE CASINO.
>> THAT I CAN'T ANSWER BECAUSE
WE HAVE A POLICE REPORT FOR
MISSING FILES AN ALL OF OUR
FILES ARE GONE.
>> Reporter: BUT IT SOUNDS
LIKE YOU ARE MORE INTERESTED
IN HOW I GOT THIS THAN MY
QUESTION.
QUESTION.
QUESTION. >> I'M NOT GOING TO ANSWER.
NO, I DID NOT USE MONEY AND
USING IT TO GAMBLE.
THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT
QUESTION.
QUESTION.
QUESTION. >> Reporter: A KING 5 ANALYSIS
OF BANK STATEMENTS FILED IN
COURT SHOWS IN THE LAST YEAR,
NEARLY $26,000 OF THE VIEW'S
MONEY WAS WITHDRAWN FROM
CASINO ATMs OR SPENT INSIDE
THE MCCOW CASINO IN LAKEWOOD
OR IN AUBURN.
THOUSANDS WENT TO THIS CASINO
INSTEAD OF TO THE VETERANS IN
NEED.
NEED.
NEED. >>
NEED. >> HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THESE
WITHDRAWS?
WITHDRAWS? >> I'M NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN
THEM.
THEM.
THEM. I'M
THEM. I'M NOT GOING TO.
NOT WITHOUT MY ATTORNEY I'M
NOT GOING TO.
BECAUSE THIS IS A PROBLEM.
>> Reporter: AND WHAT'S THE
PROBLEM?
PROBLEM?
PROBLEM? >> YOU HAVING THIS FILE IS THE
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. >> Reporter: TO THESE VETERANS
WHO SERVED BOTH THEIR COUNTRY
AND THE VIEW, THE PROBLEM IS
MUCH MORE PERSONAL.
>> I'M AN AMERICAN.
I'M A HUMAN BEING.
I'M ONE OF GOD'S CREATURES.
HOW CAN YOU TREAT PEOPLE LIKE
THAT?
THAT?
THAT? AND
THAT? AND SIT ON A STOOL AT A CASINO
AND SPEND SOMEONE ELSE'S
MONEY?
MONEY?
MONEY? >>
MONEY? >> Reporter: AFTER INTERVIEW,
SHE WROTE US AN EMAIL TO SAY
SHE IS MAKING REPAIRS ON THE
PROPERTIES YOU SAW.
VETERANS SAY YES, A FEW
IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE.
SO WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW AT
THE VIEW?
THE VIEW?
THE VIEW? ROSEMARY HIBLER IS STILL IN
CHARGE.
CHARGE.
CHARGE. ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TELLS
ME THEY ARE NOW SERIOUSLY
LOOKING INTO HER ACTIVITIES.
WE ALSO TALKED TO BOEING.
THEY HAVE THE CONTRACTS WITH.
THEY TELL ME THEY ARE NOW
INVESTIGATING THE SITUATION.
BUT THEIR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE
THOSE VETERANS STAY EMPLOYED.
>> SEVERAL QUESTIONS.
I KNOW WE HAVE LIMITED TIME.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, WITH THAT
CRIMINAL BACKGROUND, HOW DID
SHE EVER GET, AND I'M NOT
SAYING SHE IS GUILTY.
BUT HOW DID SHE GET HIRED TO
RUN A NONPROFIT?
>> Reporter: I ASKED A BOARD
MEMBER I COULD GET AHOLD OF
THAT SAME QUESTION.
SHE SAID YES, SHE WAS AWARE OF
THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND.
BUT BIG DEAL.
HE SAID THAT'S WHAT THE VIEW
IS ALL ABOUT.
GIVING PEOPLE A SECOND CHANCE.
BUT I SAID DID YOU KNOW THE
NATURE OF HER CRIMINAL PAST,
FINANCIAL CRIMES.
FINANCIAL CRIMES. HE SAID HE WAS