Newly uncovered audio tapes show that the Trump campaign back in Wisconsin in
2020 seemed pretty aware that they had lost the election.
But they also knew where the spirit of the campaign and the party was going,
they were just going to lie about it anyway.
This is a, courtesy of the Associated Press,
Trump Wisconsin campaign chief Andrew Iverson.
You'll be able to hear him in this tape.
>> We didn't continue to fan the flame and
get the word out about Democrats trying to steal this election.
We'll do whatever they need their help with.
Okay, just being stand by in case there's any stunts we need to pull.
>> Okay so there's a lot out there.
But the idea that it's like I guess, I guess we'll fan the flame,
we might need stunts.
Not we're gonna follow a reasonable legally mandated process.
There's clear there's theft that's gone on.
No, it's just we're gonna fan the flames,
these crazies out there wanna keep inspiring them.
We're gonna pull stunts.
That's what we're gonna do.
It gets even worse though in the second clip.
>> But guys at the end of the day like this operation received more votes than
any other Republican in Wisconsin.
Like it wasn't even close.
As we all perform the President 16 by just over 200,000 phones, right?
Like say what you want, our operation turned out Republican or DJT supporters,
Democrats has got 20,000 more than us on the Bay County and
by their shenanigans, and Milwaukee, and dane.
So there's a lot that people can learn from this campaign.
>> Well, we're learning something today actually.
No, they acknowledged, we lost by 20,000 votes.
It was, somewhat close I guess across the state, but no,
it was blown out in those particular areas.
It wasn't enough, they didn't have the votes.
And that all by the way, comes from the fifth of November 2020.
So it's days after the election, Donald Trump is already gearing up for
a week long, like each day it was getting worse and worse.
The denials of what it actually has happened, the inspiring the crowds,
which were still in the streets by the way, a number of different area.
Some of them telling people to count the votes, some of them telling other people
not to count the votes, depending on where they were up and where they weren't.
And it was clear to the people who had been charged with actually doing this
campaign making it happen, that they had lost, that it wasn't super close.
But they also knew that Donald Trump was not going to accept that.
And so they were prepared to be a part of that.
>> All right, as usual I will have a controversial position, but
I will say that this is mildly controversial.
So I don't care about the stunts and the fanning the flames stuff.
I know that that's the lead for a lot of people, but,
Republicans do different stunts during elections or after elections.
Wow, that is news to me.
Now, look, this is what made sure media say both sides do it.
And then I respond with I wish.
[LAUGH] I don't know that Democrats have any stunts up their sleeve at
all ever about anything.
But no, these guy is having a frank conversation about what they're ready to
do and what propaganda, marketing, whatever you wanna put it,
to do is to me not that interesting.
But you see there,
the head of their Wisconsin operation clearly knows they lost.
They lost by 20,000 votes and he knows it for a fact, right?
Now later, of course, all Republicans would pretend that they didn't lose.
To me that's the giant story, right?
And remember it's November 5.
By the time you get all the way to January 6, a lot of terrible stunts have happened.
But they're mainly driven by Trump and the international lunatics,
not necessarily the ground force in Wisconsin, etc.
I also have thoughts about how the Democrats only won by 21,000 votes in
Wisconsin and nearly lost this election.
That's another interesting topic.
But first Max.
>> Yeah, what blows my mind here is that there are still Democrats today who say
that Joe Biden should be working with these Republicans on
bipartisan election protection legislation.
I mean, it's delusional.
These are the people who have written election denial into their 2020
platform that they used it in 2022.
And guess what?
They're gonna do it again in 2024.
And it's not going to stop there either.
You have Donald Trump now asking for supporters,
who are willing to go out in the streets and physically fight for him in 2024.
My only question is to the Justice Department of where do you think
this ends?
What is the benefit in delaying all of these investigations so
long that we're allowing this to become just the political narrative?
It's crazy.
>> Yeah, yeah, 100%.
We're supposed to hope that they're gonna find this perfect middle ground between,
well, it can't be right before the midterms and we're busy afterwards.
But if we wait too much longer, then it's really close to 2024 elections.
So I guess you can't do anything then.
There are all these massive periods where nothing can happen, if you noticed that.
And it kind of feels like that they're strung along end to end off into eternity,
at least insofar as Merrick Garland seems to understand the severity of situation.
>> I know, I'm gonna jump in.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
Yeah, here, I got breaking news, Democrats aren't gonna do anything.
First of all, fill in the blank on any issue, okay?
But certainly on this issue voting rights, the number one issue,
easiest thing to do, every Democrat agrees, and
they couldn't get the bare minimum passed, they're not gonna do anything.
Here's a sign that they're not going to do anything.
As Max pointed out, they're waiting for permission from the Republicans.
Newsflash, they're the ones who tried to steal the last election.
They're not exactly interested in election integrity.
I mean, you would only say that if you're one of the dumbest people on the planet,
or you know that you don't wanna do anything, and so
you use Republicans as an excuse.
Golly gee that people were trying to steal the election to do a coup,
they don't wanna fix the election integrity issues.
Well, I got, I wanna never know.
I mean is Merrick Garland, Joe Biden that stupid?
I don't know, you tell me, maybe.
>> Yeah, but what if Joe Biden has them over for lunch at the White House again?
>> That'll do it.
>> Or maybe dinner. >> Remember when Obama,
yeah when Obama did the beer summit?
>> That's true. >> Man, that's when the fever broke, and
the Republicans became more reasonable.
[LAUGH] >> Yeah,
I think that's when the fever broke and then they molted into Donald Trump.
I wanna ask you a question though about your controversial position.
Is maybe you don't put the blame, I guess on them.
So you're speaking specifically about Donald Trump.
But when I think about them fanning the flames, and all that, and their
stunts like the the initial stunts, some of them were just embarrassing, I guess.
But there were a lot of like election workers who were like wildly harassed with
death threats and all that, like even Republicans, like Raffensperger and
all that.
His wife was getting death threats and places were shot at and
like January 6 was one of their stunts as a result of them fanning the flames.
So, I think, now look, it might be that Andrew Iverson didn't do that, but
if that's so, it's only because Andrew Iverson was not asked to.
>> Yeah. >> Andrew Iverson would have done whatever
was asked of him.
He just wasn't influential enough nationally to have been the guy to call
for Mike Pence to be hung.
But he was clearly on board for whatever they were gonna allow him to do.
>> I don't know that that's clear.
>> So I'm gonna make the distinction between three different types
of Republicans.
Republican leaders, so Trump, the pundits as well,
Tucker Carlson has said the people setting the agenda, right?
Republican soldiers like Iverson, and then Republican voters.
So the level of culpability is very, very different at each level.
Remember guys, I know it's near impossible to believe, but
66% of Republican voters genuinely believe that Trump won the election and
the vote was rigged and Biden cheated.
Now for the rest of us, we know that there was 60 court cases,
they didn't present any evidence, they're total and utter liars.
But those folks, they don't know it.
And it's become like a religion, the first thing all they heard was right wing media,
those are the right wing leaders that I'm talking about, telling them stolen,
stolen, stolen, stolen.
And they believe that 100%.
By the time they heard it wasn't stolen,
they had already been inoculated to the actual evidence, and
they had a talking point for every single piece of evidence.
60 judges in a row, including Republicans, including Trump judges,
they were intimidated by black people, they were afraid
they were gonna get killed by black people if they voted the other way.
Like okay, so are the Republican voters not guilty?
No, of course they're guilty.
I mean who would believe such a terrible talking point.
Such a weirdly obviously racist talking point and it's nonsensical.
But, whether we like it or not, they think we lost our democracy back then,
because Trump had actually gotten more votes, okay?
So, but then you go to the Republican soldiers like Iverson,
remember the critical fact for me here as to why I'm not blaming him that much,
is cuz it's November 5.
If he's part of a fake elector plot in December or January, know that he's
100% guilty, but on November 5- >> Okay that's fair.
>> They haven't even planned the coup yet.
The coup is not January 6.
The coup is the fake electors, right?
So when you go to do the fake electors, anyone involved in the fake elector plot,
I would have already put in prison, probably for the rest of their lives.
But Merrick Garland's like, what is a prison?
Can I buy a crew?
Can I call a friend?
What is a prison?
I don't know, what is a Republican?
The real guys who are super, super guilty of course are the leaders.
>> Sure. >> And predominantly Trump and
guys like Bannon and Navarro that planned the fake ellector plot.
The fact that they're not in prison is itself a crime.
I mean, so now next time any coup is possible.
But this dude's a Rando foot soldier after the election gone.
Yeah, we los, we obviously lost.
By the way, they also joke around about, hey, it's the first time they ever talk to
black people, and that was a new thing for them.
[LAUGH] But I'm used to the Republican foot soldiers being idiots.
And look, let's think for me on this, we all,
yes, seven million more votes for Joe Biden, right?
But almost all the seven million were on the coast.
A lot of where we live, right?
So some of you obviously live in the middle of the country, but
a lot of the progressives live on the coast, right?
In the middle of the country, I mean, the electoral college,
Biden only won by 43,000 votes, 21,000 was in Wisconsin.
Democrats nearly blew it.
They nearly lost to Trump twice, even though he's a clown maniac.
Okay, but don't worry, they're gonna run the same guy again,
so- >> Yeah.
>> Good luck.
>> I'm gonna add just one more.
>> At some point I just have to ask,
I agree with you that there's distinctions here.
But you know if you don't handle these foot soldiers, then they come back
the next cycle, they become lieutenants, and then they become captains.
And at some point we're sort of making a distinction between different kinds of
venomous snakes, and
we don't want democracy to get bit by any of these people.
The challenges you said is the DOJ doesn't seem to take this as a crisis.
Yeah, yeah, and it might be that we'll never hear from him again or whatever.
He is apparently right now though the midwest regional director for
the Republican National Committee.
And they had a fun little game that they played,
when this whole thing was revealed.
And it's incredibly damning that at least as you know in the early parts of
the effort to overturn the election, and bear in mind,
Donald Trump had already been saying for months.
And although many of the Republican pundits have been saying for months,
they're gonna steal the election,
they're gonna steal the election they're gonna steal the election.
They reached out to him for questions.
He deferred questions to the RNC, okay?
So he's not gonna answer it, even though he's the guy on the tape.
The RNC spokesperson Keith Schipper declined to comment,
because he hadn't heard the recording.
So I guess we're good then.
I guess we're just gonna move on.
You can listen to it clearly and then answer.
And the first guy he doesn't have to answer because he told the guy he hadn't
listened to it to answer.
So, I guess we're good.
And if I had been involved in the opening steps of a movement that resulted in
the attempted sacking of the capitol and multiple people had died, and
you asked me, hey do you like regret any of what you looked like
you were actively participating in?
And I just said go talk to someone else, we're good, we're good with that guy.
[LAUGH] I don't know.
I kind of feel like I would wanna be on the record as, no,
I don't believe this massive conspiracy theory that the election had been stolen.
But, sure, he isn't Donald Trump, Donald Trump and
others are obviously more culpable.