Barkha Dutt: Do you think of yourself
as a yogi, a mystic or a guru?
Sadhguru: I’ve not wasted time thinking about myself (Laughter/Applause).
Barkha Dutt: What would you rather be thinking of?
Sadhguru: I don’t think usually.
Really.
For me, see
This whole thing, because of the type of very mediocre education that’s being delivered today,
we have raised thought to heaven unfortunately.
Thought is a simple thing.
I know this is against everything that you believe in
because you are also a believer (Laughs).
Barkha Dutt: No.
Sadhguru: Believer in thought.
Barkha Dutt: Yeah.
Sadhguru: Yes.
Barkha Dutt: I believe in being able to ask questions.
Sadhguru: Yes.
Barkha Dutt: That’s what I do for a living.
Sadhguru: Oh (Laughter)! That’s good.
Barkha Dutt: So I must believe that it is possible to ask questions.
Sadhguru: You… you ask questions for a living,
my life is full of questions (Laughter/Applause).
Now
now the thing is what you call as thought is coming from the limited data that you have gathered
from the experience of your life.
Every person is the same thing.
How much ever we have gathered, it’s still too small compared to the size of this cosmos
and the way the phenomena of life is happening.
From this limited data,
you can recycle things and generate thought.
Or in other words, nothing new ever happens.
Same permutations and combinations of the same thing will go on forever.
The essence of what we’re teaching in the name of Inner Engineering is
to engineer yourself in such a way,
every moment of your life is a new possibility.
If it has to become a new possibility,
what is needed is perception.
When I say perception, people think opinions.
No,
I am talking about perception,
as you see here (Gestures), similarly enhancing your perception
so that you perceive life.
Right now when we say thought, emotion,
we’re talking about expressing life.
Expression is not so important,
once in a way we can express
but perceiving it is important because
this phenomena is too fantastic,
it’s not a small thing.
The greatest phenomena that’s happening here is life itself.
So if you want to know this phenomena,
the only way you can know,
the only doorway for you to know life is yourself.
See, right now can you see me?
Barkha Dutt: Yes,
I can.
Sadhguru: Can you… Can you use a finger and point out where I am?
(Barkha Dutt gestures towards Sadhguru)
Oh, you’re wrong. You know I’m a mystic from South India (Laughter/Applause).
Now this light is falling upon me, reflecting,
going through your lenses, inverted image in the retina,
you know the whole story.
Where do you see me now?
Barkha Dutt: Still in the same place.
Sadhguru: No.
Barkha Dutt: I do.
Sadhguru: You see me the way I’m projected in the firmament of your mind.
You cannot see me here (Gestures) in the very nature of your visual apparatus.
Where do you hear me right now?
Within yourself.
Where have you seen the whole world?
Within yourself.
Now if there is a grasshopper here, he doesn’t see me the way you see me,
he sees me differently.
He sees the whole world differently.
Now you… you can think, “Oh, he’s no good.”
This is the fundamental problem that we think his perception is no good.
No, no, his perception is very good for his survival.
Your perception is very good for your survival
but it’s not good enough to know the nature of life.
Barkha Dutt: But I
Sadhguru: So now, “what do I know” means
I have enhanced… enhanced my perception the way it is important
to know the nature of life, not just for survival.
Barkha Dutt: But if Inner Engineering as a spiritual technology is something that works,
I ask you again,
why do we need gurus?
Because that means the answers are within us.
Sadhguru: You’re speaking so much language,
did you learn A, B, C, D
Barkha Dutt: I think so.
Sadhguru: Do you remember when you’re four years of age,
that damn “A”, how complicated it was?
Barkha Dutt: Yes.
Sadhguru: two versions to it.
You had to write it a hundred times to get the damn “A”.
Today you can close your eyes and write.
So it doesn’t matter how simple something is,
without a certain guidance,
could you have picked up A, B, C, I’m asking?
No.
Similarly, when something new you have to approach,
if you don’t have the right kind of guidance,
you won’t pick it up.
W Now, when people see, no matter… The number of things I’m managing is insane. Everybody thinks, “Sadhguru, is it possible? You must go crazy someday.” All volunteers, over three million volunteers, enterprises, businesses, okay, projects, mega-projects on the street, all kinds of activity going aroun… around the globe. If anybody has to go nuts, it’s me, okay? Because all run by volunteers. Run by volunteers means nobody is trained for the job and you can’t fire them for inefficiency because they’re volunteers (Laughter). All right (Laughs)? And anytime, they come in anytime and do great things, anytime they’ll walk away, all right? And nothing should collapse. Till now, I must tell you this, as we are sitting here, this day, probably little over three hundred and odd programs, Inner Engineering programs are happening in the world. Never in the last thirty-three years, one program has been abandoned or has failed (Applause). That…that takes enormous management but nobody will ever see me getting angry or miserable or tensed out or stressed out