again, he wants his court, current quarterback to throw
him the football. So there's the built-in bias,
is it really that big of a gap though currently between Rogers
and Mahomes Chris? You know,
this is a good conversation. I mean, this really is one you
want to go, well, why say it right? What why the guy you
want a Super Bowl with Mahomes, right? He threw you. One of the
great throws in the history of the sport. When your one-on-one
Richard Sherman, where
when you hit that we went,
oh my gosh. They're going to come back and win this game.
Like, this is unbelievable. Right? So you know, one, I just
I don't understand why say it. I know you want to sound like
your buddy Aaron Rodgers and make
sure he likes you and all that, but I do question that right
off the bat, don't you? I just, I don't get that. That's
the first thing I'd like to say. And let me just say that. Yeah,
especially because it's Sammy Watkins, whose career has been
all in all a major disappointment
Mahomes was Isabel for the One Shining that he we think of
hair, right? We only think of them and his highlights, his
biggest plays or Kansas City related right, the Titans
playoff game Mahomes running around throwing a
and the AFC divisional play bombed Watkins down the middle
of the field. I mean it's so all his moments that a fan
thinks about are all like whoa. It was Mahomes in Kansas City,
you know? So that's where I don't get it. Now getting into
the rest of it. Like yeah, I don't love, I don't think it's
fair.
I don't first off, I mean, you know me, I would take my homes
right now. I don't think there's anybody better in
the sport than Mahomes last year. Was that his best year? No, it
wasn't coming off a toaster jury,
right? He was a little,
you know, undisciplined and some of the games like we
talked about, but man, when it matters, most, I mean, Patrick
Mahomes is about his damn good. As we've seen ever in
the history of this morning already. I mean
you know, I've never seen somebody do some of the things
he did in the the Super Bowl we lost. I mean, he was
Again I just like to like tell everybody. Have you flipped
the roles
Mahomes and Brady
and Mahomes was on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers they 101 7210.
I mean they're really, I don't know what this oh, that's how
special he is. No,
now
the other aspect of it where I just go it's not quite fair.
And listen, you know me I think Aaron Rodgers the greatest
quarterback ever and he's special and Josh Allen brought
him up yesterday
and I've had as I've told you in the past when I used to My
Bleacher Report podcast and I had players on, I always asked
who's the best player you played against. Oh, there's
a defensive player,
and you can talk to my old buddy co-host. Adam left go. If
we had 50 guys, 49 of them? Before, I got the question out
where I can Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers
and then like the one guy that said, Tom Brady was Vince
Wilfork. That was it. That was the only guy so Rogers is
really, really special, but I don't think it's fair to
compare them. Exactly.
At this point of their careers
Watkins was Yeah, it was young Patrick Mahomes. He's not, you
know, he's still getting this footing and the NFL
you know he's seeing Aaron Rodgers right now. Yes
the total General and can see the plays in The Matrix in his
head. You know, where you line up. Here, you land up there.
Dude, take take these steps. Do this, do that.
So he's at a different spot. I bet you have. He went back to
Kansas City right now. He'd see growth from Patrick Mahomes in
that department. And go damn Mahomes is
taking it to another level to here. With, you know where
guys, You're at line it up, you know, what he does with
the ball. I mean, I don't know. Rogers and Mahomes are
the greatest I've ever seen with, what anybody does
with the ball. I mean, they're like trickshot artists. They're
special. So,
that's where I don't get it. But I do think it's the, the,
the other point is, I mean, Rogers is phenomenal.
Rogers is, you know, yeah, he's years down the road. But,
I mean those stats, say it all. I mean, there's nobody quicker to
for that forty thousand yards. There's nobody quicker to 300
touchdowns
the touchdown to interception. Ception ratio
is off the charts and blows away everybody in the sport.
It's not even close. So we're talking about a guy that
I think are two coaches that are on football night. In America
would tell you
the greatest quarterback of all time. You know a lot of people
are afraid to say it because they're afraid to deal with
the New England Mafia and the backlash there.
So, he is up in that Pantheon there. But I just
Mahomes is on his way to
that's where I just don't understand why say it and a couple.
Of this to Mike just,
you know, I'm sorry to end
talk long here. But like I'm passionate about this one
where I just go like,
Rogers didn't play for a few years
and then 2008. It was good in 2009. It was whoa this kid's
got a chance and then 2010 it was holy crap. Holy s***. This
guy is amazing and
he's like maybe the most talented guy I've ever seen in
the sport Mahomes, Sat one year and in the first year just came
out and was like we were like whoa.
As EP MVP is he this is insane
and making plays and throws and
like stressing the Patriots. The great Patriots out to where
woma homes is going to beat you. If you know
D Ford can line up on sides.
I mean, so that's where I don't love the comment from Sammy
Watkins
Mahomes is going in the trajectory to,
you know, Rogers Manning Elway.
Those type of players with all-time greats for sure.
Mahomes,
potentially could be working on four, straight, Super Bowl
appearance. Yes, there's only one that's their own damn
fault. And it was when they got a little
careful in the second half of the game against the Bengals,
right? That's on them.
Coin toss
was the reason why they didn't get there in 2018? Yeah, in
the loss to the New England Patriots. They get there in
nineteen, they get there in 20, they had their up 20 13,
It was over. It was done. That's it. Thanks for showing
up Bengals. The Kansas City Chiefs are going back to
the Super Bowl and we're going to see the Chiefs vs. The Rams.
I mean, that's that's what we felt like was happening
last year and it just it, it's again, it's on them, but it's
four straight years where they have been in it or close to it.
He's accomplished more
within the confines of his team. There in Aaron Rodgers
has in his entire career been to two Super Bowls Rogers. Have
been 2 1. Been 24 AFC Championship Games in four
years. And as you said, came out of the gates,
great, it didn't take a couple of years to ramp up and to grow
into that he was ready to go. And he and, you know what
I've said before if they would have put him in 2017 when Alex
Smith was struggling,
who no, no, they would add 5 straight Super Bowl appearances
potentially in Kansas City. So when we get to the late 30s of
Patrick Mahomes, I don't think it's going to be a contest.
I really don't all due. Back to Aaron Rodgers.
Well right now, are they going to have six or seven Super Bowl
rings? Like they thought, they'd have after they got
the first one? Probably not,
but they're going to have more than one
and Patrick Mahomes, probably will have more yards.
More touchdowns
when he gets to late 30s than Aaron Rodgers currently. Yeah,
definitely. And you know, and, you know, I would agree with
that, you know, and I think when you talk about to,
you know, it's a great subject we're talking about here,
because there's deep and there's a Of angles. There
really is.
You know you're to your point. Yeah I mean
playoff wise you know just when they both been in the league?
Yeah I mean again the stats will show you. It's Mahomes has
been better in the playoffs period when you really want it
to
count. So you can't discount that
but at the same, he goes for it. He doesn't.
He doesn't hold back,
right? That's your criticism. Arad hate exact, not really
much in the postseason. No doubt about it. He's not
worried about his quarterback rating or his completion
percentage and he goes okay, if I throw a four Our laser down
the middle and it's incomplete. So what? But if I hit it,
go that teams in deep crap, you know?
And he puts the pressure on you that way.
So it's but also to,
hey Rogers. We also got to take into account with that playoff
conversation. He hasn't had the talent then Mahomes is had
around him on the offensive side of the ball is one thing.
I'll stick up for Rogers here in this department,
you know, hey, if a guy can recover an onside kick and
Seattle, he's he goes to another Super Bowl. So he's had
some things on his side
and I would also say,
you know, Ittle bit of a bad rap too because he gets to
the NFC championship game and I this is kind of to me, Lebron
ish
and even Peyton Manning early in the career when people are
go, he can't win the big game where I'd go get those teams
weren't as good as you think they were. It's just, they were
so awesome in the regular season and won games, that they
shouldn't have won cuz of the quarterback that we
think they should be,
you know, in the Superbowl conversation.
But some of the team's Rogers is brought to the NFC
Championship Game a know, like
their I was in the same class
as really the Bucks in my opinion and he outplayed, Tom Brady
in that game. But the rest of the team failed them,
they weren't in the same class as the 49ers.
You know, the Falcons that year they were there because
one guy can make magic happen.
So that's where it's unfair to Rogers in the playoff
conversation to and
you know, but I'm with you I mean Mahomes to me is going to be
in that class and see, this is why I hold guys like
me. Mahomes Rogers, Elway and a different class than, maybe
the goat, right? And I know we all got to save the goat and he's
amazing. I don't
want to discredit that at all,
but these are guys that were it's like
you guys are amazing. We're just going to make everything
about you from the get-go and you just carry us right. Brady,
that was not asked to do that until about your five of his
career. It wasn't. It was until about 2006. 2007. When it was
all sudden,
let's throw the ball. Every play.
I mean, the third Super Bowl, go back and watch it everybody.
They beat the Philadelphia Eagles. Cause it's aiso left
and I so right and they can't score points and the defense is
keeping them in there,
it's not the same
so not everybody's had that support system. That Tom Brady
has had the greatest events of Coach ever
Hall of Fame Corners across the board
Hall of Fame defensive, lineman
greatest tight, end, ever
greatest slot receivers ever,
you know, Moss. So that's where, you know, it's a great
conversation. But I'm with you in the fact that Mahomes is
going to be every bit there.
And that guy as this goes on. And I think we're seeing it and,
you know, to what we were talking about with the bills.
And earlier, Josh Allen, I think they're on a mission this
year. I just, I think they're a team is on a mission Mahomes,
looks as good as I've seen him looking preseason
and he's ready to go and throwing the ball as good. As
I've seen him since the 50 year, 50 touchdown pass year.
It's playing out perfectly to form a homes. Because and
I remember talking to him the year, they won the Super Bowl.
That was the year that he was injured on a Thursday night
against the Broncos.
A couple of games. They held it. Together he comes back
it was after they had that game in Kansas City against
the Broncos in December. It was snowing. Yeah, it was day he
realized in the
regular season because they
I can't. What year did they beat the Colts?
That was 2018. We were there. We were there. Yeah, that was
28 when he played in the snow for the first time and I was
like explained, right. I'd never played in the snow before
and I kind of like this kind of like how the ball
feels. I can't you know there's something about the just to
just enough wetness on the ball and
and so the day after they beat the Broncos, I asked him about,
you know, you guys are just kind of like
Being overlooked right now and he made it clear. He kind of
likes that. Yeah, kind of likes right being that team. Like no
one's really paying attention to write. Write,
write write member got that sneaky.
That sneaky little low-key chip on his shoulder, right that he
that he flashes from time to time and a very Charming
likable way, he finds ways to do that, so he pays attention,
he doesn't get snarky, doesn't get mean about it, but he pays
attention and I guarantee you he knows no, doubt it.
It's all about Josh, Alan how
I beat this guy, two straight years in the playoffs is all
about Josh Allen, okay? He's like Ryan on the office,
checking his list that gift you'll see.
We're right when Ryan came back after he got indicted
and he's working as a temp again, at Dunder Mifflin. Any
anybody who wrongs him, when he's back on top he's gonna get
him again. And and
so, so Tyree kill says what he says about to uh,
and you can laugh about it because it was kind of
Finish. But that's another check for
Patrick. My homes. And now this
Aaron Rodgers thing even though it's
you know, plausible argument,
let me check it again.
Yeah, Sammy Watkins,
I made you Sammy Watkins,
you're a first-round boss that got traded up for and picked
before Aaron Donald. No BJ. You're not even a footnote in
the NFL without me check. Sammy Watkins.
So this is all playing out perfectly for Patrick. Mahoney,
no, no doubt about it. It's, I feel like they are. They look
Like they're a team with a chip on their shoulder and,
you know, again, I think that's why they're playing so much in
the preseason because they know that they have seized real and
they're going to hit the ground running and take, you know,
take no chances here but yet to your point Mike,
you know, again
I don't understand the little bit of the backlash behind
Mahomes lately. I don't understand it. I'm like, I'm
like dumbfounded. I'm like, what? And we not watching
the same sport here,
everybody. I mean would Tyree killed. Doesn't play the chase
offense, it didn't matter
what? Everybody liked and I feel like
the last two years when I've tried to argue
that Tyreke. It was one of the best receivers in football.
Everybody's like you're a crazy, it's Mahomes and now
it's like change. I don't know what the hell is going on. Like
it's him, it's crazy, it's crazy.
But but to that point and that 2018 game when we were there
and, you know, I got hit by the ref and he pushed me around and
all of that, he that pregame that was my moment where
I had a moment like that with Aaron Rodgers on the field one.
I swear, I'm watching Andrew Luck, who was amazing and
the ball is going through the wind and the snow and I'm going okay
he's doing okay but it's you know the boss fluttering
a little here and there
and then I went down to the other side of the field and
I had to like wipe my eyes because I was like, wait,
is the ball really spinning that hard in the snow and just
cutting through like that? I was like, am I seeing that
right? And that's how I was the first time I saw Aaron Rodgers
in person, I was like, wait, is he really thrown a spiral
that the ball is going that hard and spinning that fast as
It's like, it looks like an optical illusion.
I wish people could see it in person
because it's crazy to see.
We're talking about a guy
that is on his way to all-time great Ville in my opinion.
And the guy that were talking about him against already is
an all-time great Ville. I mean, who anybody that's played?
Quarterback knows, Rogers
is
maybe greatest arm ever, greatest accuracy, ever
greatest decision maker ever, all of that stuff.
So it's a great conversation but I don't understand
the district. Aspect of Mahomes. And and I know we have this,
the playoff stats, the last two years
Rogers and Mahomes you know, to your point, you know.
Again I will still say Mahomes has had more Talent around him.
There's no doubt, but Mahomes plays a style of football that
it it is more. It's harder to play him in the playoffs
because
he's gonna go. Go down swinging like you were talking about,
he's he's not going to go well, well, I'm not sure I'm not. And
protected. Let me check it down, or let me be safe here my
home's ghosts or
it, he throws the Haymakers
and I don't know you know great talent around him or not
28 and 7 is significantly better than nine and three. Who
again, the guy on my left is my favorite quarterback ever but
damn Mahomes and them are
Mahomes is right there in that conversation.
He's the new age Aaron Rodgers.
So, you know, come back to Sammy Watkins needs to go to
practice,
you know, ten years from now
or when Mahomes Susan, you're 16 and I think he's going to
see Mahomes is on a different level to,
he's doesn't have to
Rogers. At a point of his career, he doesn't rely on his
athletic ability all the time. Why? Because he can as much so
he's got to be like precise with all that Mahomes, a stove
in that thing we talked about, you know, even if the play
breaks down, it doesn't matter. He can still make
it look great. So there's there's a difference there.