>>> WHAT HAS THIS CORRUPT BUSINESS AS USUAL GOTTEN US?
THE EXTINCTION OF ONE SPECIES
AFTER ANOTHER AS THE EARTH HEATS
UP
UP CHILDREN SLAUGHTERED BY ASSAULT
WEAPONS.
WEAPONS. THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF INEQUALITY
IN A CENTURY
WAGES THAT BARELY BUDGE.
CRIPPLING STUDENT LOAN DEBT.
SHRINKING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
NEXT GENERATION AND THE ONE
AFTER THAT AND THE ONE AFTER
THAT
THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET IT, AND
THEY ARE SICK OF IT.
>> WE ARE ALWAYS ON THE LOOKOUT
FOR MOMENTS ON THE 2020 CAMPAIGN
TRAIL, THOSE TIMES WHEN A
CANDIDATE TRANSCENDS THE HORSE
RACE, COMMANDS THE ATTENTION OF
THE PUBLIC
THE PUBLIC ELIZABETH WARREN MIGHT HAVE HAD
ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS LAST NIGHT.
HER SPEECH IN NEW YORK CITY WAS
ALL ABOUT CORRUPTION
SHE ACTUALLY CALLED DONALD TRUMP
CORRUPTION IN THE FLESH, BUT
MANY PEOPLE NOTICED IT WAS
REALLY MORE THAN A SINGLE-ISSUE
SPEECH
SPEECH IT WAS MORE OF AN URGENT APPEAL
ON ONE OF HER MOST DEFINITIVE
GENERAL ELECTION PITCHES TO DATE
AND IT’S HARD TO IGNORE THE SIZE
OF HER CROWD
20,000 PEOPLE THERE.
MORE THAN ABOUT HALF A DOZEN
MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL TEAMS
AVERAGE IN ATTENDANCE PER GAME
ALL INSIDE OF MANHATTAN’S
WASHINGTON SQUARE PARK
AND JUST FOR GOOD MEASURE, SHE
STILL FINISHED HER SELFIE LINE
GOT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
THIS IS THE VIDEO OF THE VERY
LAST SELFIE OF THE NIGHT
FOUR HOURS AFTER THE EVENT
ENDED.
ENDED. 20 MINUTES BEFORE THE PARK
CLOSED FOR THE EVENING
JOINING OUR TABLE, WHITE HOUSE
REPORTER FOR THE "WASHINGTON
POST" AND MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR,
ASHLEY PARKER.
ASHLEY PARKER. SO, DONALD TRUMP WHO’S BEEN
OBSESSED WITH JOE BIDEN SINCE
BEFORE JOE BIDEN WAS RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT, AND MAYBE EVEN BEFORE
THAT, IS NOW TURNING SOME OF HIS
ATTENTION AND FIRE TO ELIZABETH
WARREN
WARREN HE HAD ROUND ONE, THE POCAHONTAS
ROUND, WE’LL CALL IT, THAT
SEEMED TO HAVE ENDED IN A DRAW
BUT HE’S BACK AT IT.
AND HE CERTAINLY NOTICES THINGS
LIKE CROWD SIZE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. CROWD SIZE IS THE KEY THING THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP UNDERSTANDS, AND
FRANKLY, INSERTED INTO THE
DISCUSSION
DISCUSSION HE HAD SEAN SPICER, HIS PRESS
SECRETARY AT THE TIME, COME OUT
AND LIE ABOUT HIS INAUGURAL
CROWD SIZE
CROWD SIZE HIS FIRST FULL DAY AS PRESIDENT.
AND THAT’S A DISCUSSION HE’S
SORT OF BEEN HAVING WITH HIMSELF
AT LEAST EVER SINCE AND NOW WHAT
YOU’RE SEEING IS THE WARREN
CAMPAIGN, THEY SAY THEY DON’T
CARE ABOUT CROWD SIZE.
THEY’RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION
WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT WAS SORT
OF THE MOST PHYSICAL, TANGIBLE,
RESPONSE TO THAT SIGNALING TO
VOTERS WHO HAVE NOW SORT OF
LEARNED CROWD SIZE ACTUALLY DOES
MATTER
MATTER IT IS POTENTIALLY A MEANINGFUL
METRIC THAT SHE, TOO, CAN DRAW
LARGE, ADORING, CROWDS
>> I’M GOING TO -- YOU AND I
HAVE BOTH SPENT TIME ON
CAMPAIGNS, CROWD SIZES DO NOT
DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF
ELECTIONS.
ELECTIONS. I WORKED FOR SARAH PALIN
HER CROWDS WERE VERY LARGE
BUT THEY DO SIGNAL SOMETHING, AS
ASHLEY SAID, INTANGIBLE,
EXCITEMENT.
EXCITEMENT. >> SURE.
>> SURE. >> AND --
>> AND -- >> LOOK, I’M FOR BIDEN BUT I
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WAS A GREAT
EVENT LAST NIGHT, GREAT SPEECH
BY SENATOR WARREN.
SHE’S A GREAT CANDIDATE.
AT THE SAME TIME, A POLL CAME
OUT TODAY AND SHOWED JOE BIDEN
IS BEATING HER IN NEW YORK
STATE.
STATE. >> LET ME STAY ON WARREN FOR A
MINUTE WITH YOU.
YOU’RE ONE OF THE SMARTEST AND
MOST CREDIBLE VOICES AND I
THINK -- I APPRECIATE THAT YOU
DISCLOSED YOUR CANDIDATE, BUT
WOULD JOE BIDEN STAY FOR FOUR
HOURS ON A SELFIE LINE
WOULD HE HAVE A FOUR-HOUR-LONG
SELFIE LINE?
SELFIE LINE? >> HE DOES A LOT OF SELFIES ON
THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, IN ICE CREAM
STORES AND ALL KINDS OF PLACES
YOU KNOW, I WOULDN’T WANT TO
COUNT UP WHO’S DONE MORE
SELFIES.
SELFIES. THEY’VE BOTH DONE A LOT OF
SELFIES.
SELFIES. I THINK IT’S GREAT
I THINK IT’S NOT JUST A SIGN OF
ENTHUSIASM BUT A SMART SOCIAL
MEDIA STRATEGY THAT A LOT OF THE
DEMOCRATS ARE USING INCLUDING
BIDEN AND WARREN
IT’S A WAY TO CONNECT WITH
VOTERS
VOTERS IT’S KIND OF THE 21st CENTURY
WAY TO CONNECT WITH VOTERS
SO, LOOK, AS I SAID, I THINK IT
WAS A GREAT SPEECH LAST NIGHT, A
GREAT EVENT LAST NIGHT
I THINK THE REAL CHALLENGE IN
THIS RACE IS CAN YOU BUILD A
BROAD COALITION ACROSS THE
ENTIRETY OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY?
PARTY? NOT JUST THE KIND OF PEOPLE IN
WASHINGTON SQUARE IN NEW YORK
BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSTATE IN
NEW YORK AND PEOPLE WHO ARE
PEOPLE OF COLOR AND ALL KINDS OF
OTHER VOTERS
OTHER VOTERS I THINK RIGHT NOW, LOOK, THIS
COULD CHANGE
COULD CHANGE WARREN IS A STRONG CANDIDATE
RIGHT NOW, JOE BIDEN IS THE ONE
CANDIDATE WHO’S PUTTING TOGETHER
THAT BROAD BASE COALITION INSIDE
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE
CHALLENGE FOR EVERYONE ELSE
RUNNING AGAINST HIM IS CAN THEY
MATCH THAT
MATCH THAT >> JOE BIDEN HAS ALSO ENDURED
MORE NEGATIVE COVERAGE THAN
ANYONE ELSE RUNNING IN THIS
PRIMARY.
PRIMARY. AND I THINK -- I THINK AXIOS HAD
ANALYSIS OF HIS COVERAGE AND
JUST LARGELY NEGATIVE AND HIS
LEAD IS ENDURING AND IT IS
DEFINITIVE NATIONALLY AND I
THINK HE’S STILL AHEAD IN MOST
BATTLEGROUND STATE POLLS
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF SORT OF
THIS -- IT’S NOT A COLLISION BUT
THIS SORT OF CONTRAST AND WHAT
THEIR BASE OF SUPPORT LOOKS
LIKE
LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN WITH 20,000
ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORTERS IN NEW
YORK CITY.
YORK CITY. JOE BIDEN STILL AHEAD IN MOST
POLLS.
POLLS. >> I THINK DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, A
LOT OF DEMOCRATIC VOTERS KNOW
JOE BIDEN BETTER THAN ELIZABETH
WARREN
WARREN HE WAS VICE PRESIDENT FOR EIGHT
YEARS, BEEN ON THE SCENE A LONG
TIME, KNOW HIM AND REALLY LIKE
HIM.
HIM. I THINK THAT’S WHY HE’S GOING TO
BE A FORMIDABLE CANDIDATE ALL
THE WAY TO THE END, MAY BE THE
NOMINEE.
NOMINEE. ELIZABETH WARREN, I THNK THE
REASON SHE’S GENERATING THESE
CROWD SIZES IS BECAUSE HER
MESSAGE.
MESSAGE. THE MESSAGE LAST NIGHT, LOOK, IF
I WERE, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE
RUNNING A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN,
I WOULD MAKE THE ATTACK ON TRUMP
ON THREE FRONTS.
CHAOS, CORRUPTION, AND
COMPETENCE
COMPETENCE AND YOU SAW HER COMING LAST
NIGHT DIRECTLY AT CORRUPTION
AND THE THING THAT’S SO SMART
ABOUT THE WAY SHE’S DOING IT,
SHE’S NOT JUST ATTACKING
CORRUPTION, TRUMP’S PERSONAL
ENRICHMENT OR THE WAY HE KUBTS S
CONDUCTS HIMSELF IN OFFICE,
ALTHOUGH THAT’S PART OF IT
SHE’S LINKING IT TO THE
CORRUPTION THROUGHOUT THE
ADMINISTRATION, NOT JUST CABINET
MEMBERS DEPARTING IN DROVES BUT
TURNING OVER POLICYMAKING TO
LOBBYISTS AND LINKING THAT
FURTHER TO HER MESSAGE SHE’S
BEEN DELIVERING FOR YEARS, THE
CORRUPTION OF THE POLITICAL
SYSTEM AND THE CORRUPTION OF THE
ECONOMIC SYSTEM ON BEHALF OF
BIG-MONEY INTERESTS.
BIG-MONEY INTERESTS. IT IS A POWERFUL MESSAGE AND
IT’S A POWERFUL MESSAGE THAT
BECAUSE IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT THIS
PRESIDENT, BUT ABOUT THIS TIME
IN THE COUNTRY AND HOW SHE WOULD
LEAD US OUT OF IT.
>> I THINK SHE’S ACTUALLY
MANAGED TO TAKE THE THREADS
BETWEEN BERNIE SANDERS AND
DONALD TRUMP FROM 2016 AND WEAVE
THEM TOGETHER INTO A VERY
POWERFUL MESSAGE ABOUT
CORRUPTION, BUT ALSO ABOUT --
SHE’S CALLING IT A NEW DEAL.
WORKER PROTECTIONS AND ACTUALLY
CARING FOR THE LITTLE GUY AND
GETTING RID OF THE SWAMPY
LOBBYISTS IN WASHINGTON.
THAT’S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD, IN
THEORY, APPEAL AS WELL TO DONALD
TRUMP’S VOTERS, BUT TO RON’S
POINT, WHEN YOU DRILL DOWN ON
THE POLLING, YOU TALKED ABOUT
NEW YORK STATE
WELL, I LOOKED AT WISCONSIN, AND
WISCONSIN, AT THIS TIME, BIDEN
WOULD BEAT TRUMP BY ABOUT NINE
POINTS AND ELIZABETH WARREN
WOULD BE EVEN.
THEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
NEWER SWINGIER STATES LIKE TEXAS
AND ARIZONA AND THERE’S VERY
LITTLE INDICATION THAT ELIZABETH
WARREN WOULD BE ABLE TO CARRY
ONE OF THOSE
IT’S GOING TO COME DOWN TO A RAW
CALCULATION OF WHETHER HER
MESSAGE IS SO INSPIRING, SO MUCH
MORE INSPIRING TO DEMOCRATIC
VOTERS WHO ARE ACTUALLY JUST
PETRIFIED AT THE THOUGHT OF
ANOTHER DONALD TRUMP PRESIDENCY,
VIEW JOE BIDEN AS KIND OF AN
INSURANCE POLICY CANDIDATE.
>> THAT’S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THE
TRUMP PEOPLE SAY
I WAS TALKING TO THEM TODAY,
SOME OF THE FOLKS CLOSE TO THE
CAMPAIGN, AND THEY SAY LOOKING
AT BIDEN AND WARREN, THEY’RE
WILDCARDS BUT IN VERY DIFFERENT
WAYS
WAYS THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IN POLLS
BIDEN BEATS TRUMP ON PAPER BUT
THE ELECTION IS NOT ON PAPER
THEY THINK THERE’S A SENSE
LOOKING AT SOME OF BIDEN’S
STUMBLES HE MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE
ABLE TO GO HEAD TO HEAD AND SAY
EARLY INTERNAL POLLING --
>> HOW DO THEY SAY THAT?
DO THEY SAY, LIKE, BECAUSE BIDEN
MISSPEAKS AND OUR GUY, WHAT,
FILL IN THE BLANK FOR ME,
BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP, HE SAYS
MORE ASININE THINGS IN A, LIKE,
A ROPE LINE THAN BIDEN SAYS IN
TEN -- HOW DO THEY --
>> TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IN
THOSE CONVERSATIONS, THEY KEEP
THE FOCUS ON BIDEN RATHER THAN
ON THE PRESIDENT AND THEN ON
WARREN, THEY SAY THAT IN POLLING
THERE’S A SENSE THAT INTERNALLY,
THEY BEAT THE SOCIALIST, SO
THEY’RE USING THAT TO REFER TO
WARREN AND SANDERS ON PAPER, BUT
THEY THINK THERE’S A CHANCE THAT
SHE SORT OF CATCHES FIRE AND
THAT POPULIST MESSAGE DOESN’T
COME FROM THE PLACE OF DARK
ANGER AND VICTIMIZATION THAT
TRUMP PRESENTS IT BUT IT’S A
SIMILAR MESSAGE TO WHAT HE’S
OFFERING, BIG STRUCTURE CHANGES.
HER VERSION OF DRAIN THE SWAMP
IF SHE CATCHES FIRE, SHE GETS
THOSE CROWDS, IT COULD POTENTIAL
POTENTIALLY CUT INTO SOME OF HIS
SUPPORTERS.
SUPPORTERS. >> AND HE’S COMPLETELY TERRIFIED
OF LOSING ANY -- HE KNOWS HE
CANNOT BE RE-ELECTED IF ANY SORT
OF PIECE OF HIS COALITION PUZZLE
FALLS AWAY
FALLS AWAY HE NOW SEES SHE COULD TAKE SOME
OF THAT.
OF THAT. >> THAT’S THE CONCERN.
HE SEES IT IN TERMS OF CROWDS.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> HIS BROADER WORLD SEES IT IN
TERMS OF MESSAGING, WHO IS HIS
BASE SUPPORTERS AND WHO IS SHE
POTENTIALLY SPEAKING TO.
>> LET ME SHOW YOU WARREN’S
APPEAL SH
APPEAL SH APPEAL, IT APPEARED TO BE FOR
BIDEN SUPPORTERS
BIDEN SUPPORTERS LET ME SHOW YOU.
LET YOU RUEESPOND.
>> THERE’S A LOT AT STAKE IN
THIS ELECTION AND I KNOW PEOPLE
ARE SCARED, BUT WE CAN’T CHOOSE
A CANDIDATE WE DON’T BELIEVE IN
JUST BECAUSE WE’RE TOO SCARED TO
DO ANYTHING ELSE
[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE
AND DEMOCRATS CAN’T WIN IF WE’RE
SCARED AND LOOKING BACKWARD.
>> FELT VERY AGGRESSIVE.
>> YOU KNOW, LOOK, I THOUGHT SHE
GAVE A GREAT SPEECH LAST NIGHT,
BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SECOND
GREAT SPEECH IN THE PAST 48
HOURS, THAT WAS THE SPEECH VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN GAVE ON THE 56th
ANNIVERSARY OF THE BIRMINGHAM
CHURCH BOMBING IN BIRMINGHAM,
ALABAMA, ON SUNDAY MORNING, IN
CHURCH, NOT A BIG CROWD BUT A
VERY STRONG, POWERFUL,
EMOTIONAL, MESSAGE, AND I THINK
AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THE
QUESTION IS TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC
NOMINEE, YOU NEED TO UNITE ALL
THE ELEMENTS OF THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.
PARTY. AND I THINK VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN
SPEAKING TO ALL THOSE ELEMENTS
OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY, NOT ABOUT
PLAYING IT SAFE, BUT ABOUT
WINNING IN 2020 AND MOVING
FORWARD ON HIS AGENDA FOR HEALTH
CARE, ENVIRONMENT, WHATNOT, AND