Ty Cobb, the Trump White House lawyer.
So, Ty,
I know
you've read through the new indictment,
you know, been able
to sort of compare every count,
see the new document
added, which appears to be those
Iran attack plans shown to a biographer.
Trump said that, by the way,
he showed nothing. It was just articles.
They now have the proof that it was not
it was actually a document.
He was waving around.
As you go through everything in this now
60 page
superseding indictment,
what stands out to you, Ty?
Well, I think his original indictment
was engineer ready
to last
a thousand years and now it will last.
The superseding indictment will last.
And antiquity I mean, it's
this is such a tight case.
The evidence is so overwhelming,
it's very difficult to
imagine how Trump could say that here.
His lawyers met with Jack Smith today
to explain to him
that he hadn't done anything wrong
on the same day that
Jack Smith produces, you know,
this evidence of, you know,
overwhelming evidence
of additional wrongdoing on his part.
So this this is this is,
I think, par for the course.
I think one thing that's been ignored
in the discussion so far, though, is,
you know, this is Trump dealing directly
with not a good deal of there.
You know,
at a time where Evan Corcoran, you know,
has been told by him that there are no
there are no additional documents.
So they don't have anything.
And his lawyers certainly, you know,
were advising him at some point
advise them,
you know, not to destroy me over
obstruct this
grand jury subpoena
in any way or the government's
request in any way.
So this is Trump going
not just behind the,
you know, the back of the prosecutor.
This is Trump going
behind the back of his own lawyers
and then dealing with two people who,
you know, were extremely loyal to him.
Right.
And well,
until this point,
while you're having
a 24 minute conversation
with your head of maintenance
about the video
because you didn't
want your lawyers to know,
you didn't want anyone else to know.
So you are actually doing it yourself.
Well, so
and I can assure you, in Trump's time
in the White House,
he never had a 24 minute conversation
with Walton on it. Right.
I mean, 24 minute conversations.
General over him
would have been rare in any case.
And this is a long conversation.
It does stand out in this.
So, Ty, what about the document?
It says they added an additional document
top secret.
It's marked here going through it.
Top secret, described as plans.
I'm just looking at it here.
But it specifically plans
about invading a foreign country's
military sorry,
presentation concerning military activity
in a foreign country.
We understand that that now appears to be
the Iran attack plans
that he was waving around to biographers.
Now, he said to Brett Baer
after the original indictment
very clearly,
oh, that it was just
newspapers, articles.
Who knows what it was
I was waving around there now
making the point of,
yeah,
it was what you were waving it around
and we've got the document.
What is this do to the indictment?
So
it it
it doesn't add
all that much to the indictment,
but it but it takes away a lot of,
you know, the platform
that Trump has been trying to
build for himself.
You know, so
they have these ridiculous stories.
They're talking about, you know,
this plan to invade Iran.
And, you know,
they can't even produce it.
You know,
I think he felt
he was under the protection of the deal.
All right.
It looks like Ty Ty just Ty just froze.
Ryan, on the on that point, though,
the significance
and I want to put words in his mouth,
but it is Trump's
whole thing has been
that was just I was just horsing around.
I was joking.
I was.
It does take that
the wind out of those sails.
That and more.
I've actually always thought
about the Bedminster
episode as also driving a hole
through one of his other defenses,
which is of the national archives
sent this material to me
and Mar a Lago wasn't me.
I didn't do anything.
Okay. Then why did you transport it?
You better start that.
There's no justification for that.
And then to share it with people
obviously have no security clearance.
So I think that's one.
And then just to build on something else
that I said,
which he mentions,
look at all these allegations.
And now we can see what the timeline
Trump is keeping this all away
from his lawyers.
That actually also destroys
a defense of advice of counsel.
You cannot rely on the defense.
If I was being told
something by my counsel that it was legal
for me to keep these documents.
If you have kept information
from your counsel,
you have to fully inform them
what you're doing to be able
to claim that defense
that was
maybe his one of his best hopes
that kind of evaporates
when we see this November.
So can I ask you one other thing?
Did they know about this?
Is this with the video
back in on June 8th
when they did this and didn't kind of
have it all buttoned up or they were
maybe
didn't have the right cooperation or
I mean, it's very buttoned up now.
Did they or do they not have it at all?
Do you?
Can you tell?
I don't know that you can tell.
I mean,
I wonder whether they wanted
they were working to get de Oliveira
to cooperate the way
I think they were trying to get
Nada to cooperate.
I mean, in the end, you don't want
there's such a disparity
between Trump
and the head of maintenance or his valet.
Right.
This there's a there's there's a
you've got like the top guy.
And then,
you know,
a lot lower level people who are clearly,
as Elisa was saying,
you know,
pressured by him
or scared of him, whatever it is.
As a prosecutor,
you don't want to have those people
on the indictment with the big guy.
Right.
You don't want juries to feel
sorry for them.
So you probably would have
tried to get them to cooperate,
which is why they spoke with them
so many times
and asked them so many questions.
But at a certain point,
when you lie through your teeth
so blatantly
the way they both have to investigators
and it
turns out they were just
as much part of this cover up,
they can't turn away
and they have to bring it's amazing to me
that people are just willing to die
on these swords for him.
When you think about it, Ty
is back with us.
And Ty,
there was one more point
I believe you were trying
to make about the Iran document.
Yeah, I was just trying to make
the simple point
that I think Trump thought it was safe
because the intelligence
community may have objected
to originally, including that document.
And I think Smith probably had to go back
to the intelligence community
once Trump started to,
you know,
make that part of his fake defense
to get permission to declassify it
and use it at trial,
or at least use it in
see batted way.
But but he kneecapped him
by, you know, by
putting that back in and,
you know,
and I
also I think
one of the things
that you see in the in the new indictment
is additional references to the PAC
representative and
who was previously mentioned.
And I believe that
there's a lot of reporting
indicating that
that's Susie Wiles from Florida.
And I think that as we know, she was
in contact
recently
with the Office of the Special Counsel.
And that may explain why
One quick thing, Ty.
When you look at the document
itself, the Iran document,
the fact that it's now included
and that it wasn't before.
Does that mean that Jack Smith
is acknowledging that
he's going to go
through the whole process of it
possibly becoming public? Right.
I mean, that part of this had been
some of these guys
hard to get clearances. Sorry. Go ahead.
So under CPA,
it won't be completely public.
They'll have to work out some,
you know, some summary.
And that's why they have
the super proceedings
is for the government
to come up with a way
that judge is satisfied
that essence is adequately presented
without actually
declassifying the document.
So that all that will take place.
I do disagree with people
who think that this pushes the trial back
significantly
because this is
really straightforward stuff.
I mean, it's simple proof as as to the
obstruction,
you know, the signal messages alone.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, open and shut that door.
So I don't think I don't think
I think
I think the government will push back,
you know, to any significant delay.
I'm going to delay it a week,
you know, perhaps.
But this is information get on.
And the defendant's lap pretty quickly.
Well, that's an interesting point.