FOR WEEKS WE‘VE BEEN ASKING.
FOR WEEKS WE‘VE BEEN ASKING. IS THERE A SOLUTION TO END
FOR WEEKS WE‘VE BEEN ASKING. IS THERE A SOLUTION TO END THIS HORRIBLE WAR IN UKRAINE?
IS THERE A SOLUTION TO END THIS HORRIBLE WAR IN UKRAINE? WE‘VE BEEN WONDERING WHAT AN
THIS HORRIBLE WAR IN UKRAINE? WE‘VE BEEN WONDERING WHAT AN OFF-RAMP MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND
WE‘VE BEEN WONDERING WHAT AN OFF-RAMP MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND HOW THE BRUTAL CONFLICT COULD
OFF-RAMP MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND HOW THE BRUTAL CONFLICT COULD POSSIBLY DEESCALATE.
HOW THE BRUTAL CONFLICT COULD POSSIBLY DEESCALATE. WELL, TODAY. WE MIGHT HAVE
POSSIBLY DEESCALATE. WELL, TODAY. WE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN OUR FIRST GLIMPSE
WELL, TODAY. WE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN OUR FIRST GLIMPSE AFTER A DAY OF NEGOTIATIONS IN
GOTTEN OUR FIRST GLIMPSE AFTER A DAY OF NEGOTIATIONS IN ISTANBUL, TURKEY.
AFTER A DAY OF NEGOTIATIONS IN ISTANBUL, TURKEY. THERE WAS SOME INITIAL SIGNS
ISTANBUL, TURKEY. THERE WAS SOME INITIAL SIGNS OF PROGRESS WITH MANY
THERE WAS SOME INITIAL SIGNS OF PROGRESS WITH MANY CAVEATS ATTACHED. OF COURSE,
OF PROGRESS WITH MANY CAVEATS ATTACHED. OF COURSE, THE UKRAINIAN DELEGATION
CAVEATS ATTACHED. OF COURSE, THE UKRAINIAN DELEGATION PROPOSED, A SERIES OF PIECE
THE UKRAINIAN DELEGATION PROPOSED, A SERIES OF PIECE MEASURES OFFERING TO REMAIN
PROPOSED, A SERIES OF PIECE MEASURES OFFERING TO REMAIN NON-ALIGNED AND
MEASURES OFFERING TO REMAIN NON-ALIGNED AND NON-NUCLEAR.
NON-ALIGNED AND NON-NUCLEAR. IN EXCHANGE,
NON-NUCLEAR. IN EXCHANGE, FREE SECURITY GUARANTEE FROM
IN EXCHANGE, FREE SECURITY GUARANTEE FROM INTERNATIONAL PARTNERS
FREE SECURITY GUARANTEE FROM INTERNATIONAL PARTNERS INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES
INTERNATIONAL PARTNERS INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES TURKEY AND ISRAEL.
INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES TURKEY AND ISRAEL. THEY ALSO OFFERED TO DISCUSS
TURKEY AND ISRAEL. THEY ALSO OFFERED TO DISCUSS THE STATUS OF CRIMEA,
THEY ALSO OFFERED TO DISCUSS THE STATUS OF CRIMEA, THE UKRAINIAN PENINSULA
THE STATUS OF CRIMEA, THE UKRAINIAN PENINSULA ILLEGALLY ANNEXED BY RUSSIA IN
THE UKRAINIAN PENINSULA ILLEGALLY ANNEXED BY RUSSIA IN 2014,
ILLEGALLY ANNEXED BY RUSSIA IN 2014, BUT IT‘S UNCLEAR HOW SERIOUSLY
2014, BUT IT‘S UNCLEAR HOW SERIOUSLY THE RUSSIAN DELEGATION IS
BUT IT‘S UNCLEAR HOW SERIOUSLY THE RUSSIAN DELEGATION IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERING ANY OF
THE RUSSIAN DELEGATION IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERING ANY OF THESE MEASURES
ACTUALLY CONSIDERING ANY OF THESE MEASURES AND THE HARD DETAILS OF SUCH
THESE MEASURES AND THE HARD DETAILS OF SUCH A COMPLEX SECURITY
AND THE HARD DETAILS OF SUCH A COMPLEX SECURITY GUARANTEE HAVE YET TO BE
A COMPLEX SECURITY GUARANTEE HAVE YET TO BE HAMMERED OUT. NOT TO MENTION
GUARANTEE HAVE YET TO BE HAMMERED OUT. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT RUSSIA HAD NO
HAMMERED OUT. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT RUSSIA HAD NO QUALMS ABOUT VIOLATING A
THE FACT THAT RUSSIA HAD NO QUALMS ABOUT VIOLATING A PREVIOUS
QUALMS ABOUT VIOLATING A PREVIOUS UKRAINIAN SECURITY.
PREVIOUS UKRAINIAN SECURITY. THE 1994 BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM.
UKRAINIAN SECURITY. THE 1994 BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM. NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE.
THE 1994 BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM. NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE. FOR THEIR PART, THE RUSSIANS
NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE. FOR THEIR PART, THE RUSSIANS DID ANNOUNCE THAT MILITARY.
FOR THEIR PART, THE RUSSIANS DID ANNOUNCE THAT MILITARY. NEAR KIEV THE UKRAINIAN
DID ANNOUNCE THAT MILITARY. NEAR KIEV THE UKRAINIAN CAPITAL
NEAR KIEV THE UKRAINIAN CAPITAL WOULD BE, QUOTE,
CAPITAL WOULD BE, QUOTE, DRASTICALLY REDUCED
WOULD BE, QUOTE, DRASTICALLY REDUCED JUST HOURS AGO,
DRASTICALLY REDUCED JUST HOURS AGO, PENTAGON, PRESS SECRETARY.
JUST HOURS AGO, PENTAGON, PRESS SECRETARY. JOHN KIRBY CONFIRMED. THEY HAD
PENTAGON, PRESS SECRETARY. JOHN KIRBY CONFIRMED. THEY HAD INDEED BEEN RUSSIAN TROOP
JOHN KIRBY CONFIRMED. THEY HAD INDEED BEEN RUSSIAN TROOP MOVEMENT AWAY FROM KYIV,
INDEED BEEN RUSSIAN TROOP MOVEMENT AWAY FROM KYIV, BUT CAUTIONED AGAINST
MOVEMENT AWAY FROM KYIV, BUT CAUTIONED AGAINST PREMATURE
BUT CAUTIONED AGAINST PREMATURE OPTIMISM.
PREMATURE OPTIMISM. AS URBAN SOME
OPTIMISM. AS URBAN SOME MOVEMENT,
AS URBAN SOME MOVEMENT, BY SOME RUSSIAN UNITS
MOVEMENT, BY SOME RUSSIAN UNITS AWAY FROM KEITH.
BY SOME RUSSIAN UNITS AWAY FROM KEITH. KYIV IN THE LAST DAY OR SO.
AWAY FROM KEITH. KYIV IN THE LAST DAY OR SO. YEAH, WE THINK SO SMALL
KYIV IN THE LAST DAY OR SO. YEAH, WE THINK SO SMALL NUMBERS,
YEAH, WE THINK SO SMALL NUMBERS, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A
NUMBERS, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A REPOSITIONING
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A REPOSITIONING NOT A REAL WITHDRAWAL.
REPOSITIONING NOT A REAL WITHDRAWAL. AND THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE
NOT A REAL WITHDRAWAL. AND THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE PREPARED TO WATCH FOR A MAJOR
AND THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE PREPARED TO WATCH FOR A MAJOR OFFENSIVE AGAINST OTHER AREAS
PREPARED TO WATCH FOR A MAJOR OFFENSIVE AGAINST OTHER AREAS OF UKRAINE.
OFFENSIVE AGAINST OTHER AREAS OF UKRAINE. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE
OF UKRAINE. IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE THREAT TO KYIV IS
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE THREAT TO KYIV IS OVER.
THREAT TO KYIV IS OVER. OF STATE, ANTONY BLINKEN
OVER. OF STATE, ANTONY BLINKEN REMAIN SKEPTICAL AS WELL. BOTH
OF STATE, ANTONY BLINKEN REMAIN SKEPTICAL AS WELL. BOTH WONDERING, WHETHER RUSSIA IS
REMAIN SKEPTICAL AS WELL. BOTH WONDERING, WHETHER RUSSIA IS JUST TALKING THE TALK
WONDERING, WHETHER RUSSIA IS JUST TALKING THE TALK OR REALLY WALKING THE
JUST TALKING THE TALK OR REALLY WALKING THE WALK.
OR REALLY WALKING THE WALK. I WOULD LEAVE IT TO.
WALK. I WOULD LEAVE IT TO. OUR UKRAINIAN PARTNERS TO
I WOULD LEAVE IT TO. OUR UKRAINIAN PARTNERS TO CHARACTERIZE. WHETHER
OUR UKRAINIAN PARTNERS TO CHARACTERIZE. WHETHER THERE IS ANY GENUINE PROGRESS
CHARACTERIZE. WHETHER THERE IS ANY GENUINE PROGRESS AND WHETHER RUSSIA IS
THERE IS ANY GENUINE PROGRESS AND WHETHER RUSSIA IS ENGAGED ENGAGED IN MEANINGFUL.
AND WHETHER RUSSIA IS ENGAGED ENGAGED IN MEANINGFUL. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THIS.
ENGAGED ENGAGED IN MEANINGFUL. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THIS. THERE IS WHAT
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THIS. THERE IS WHAT RUSSIA SAYS
THERE IS WHAT RUSSIA SAYS AND THERE‘S WHAT RUSSIA DOES,
RUSSIA SAYS AND THERE‘S WHAT RUSSIA DOES, WE‘RE FOCUSED ON THE
AND THERE‘S WHAT RUSSIA DOES, WE‘RE FOCUSED ON THE US INTELLIGENCE WAS ABLE TO
WE‘RE FOCUSED ON THE US INTELLIGENCE WAS ABLE TO PREDICT THE INVASION OF
US INTELLIGENCE WAS ABLE TO PREDICT THE INVASION OF UKRAINE ESSENTIALLY MOVE FOR
PREDICT THE INVASION OF UKRAINE ESSENTIALLY MOVE FOR MOVE. SO THERE‘S CERTAINLY
UKRAINE ESSENTIALLY MOVE FOR MOVE. SO THERE‘S CERTAINLY REASON TO NOT JUST
MOVE. SO THERE‘S CERTAINLY REASON TO NOT JUST DISBELIEVE THEIR ASSESSMENT
REASON TO NOT JUST DISBELIEVE THEIR ASSESSMENT OUT OF HAND HERE.
DISBELIEVE THEIR ASSESSMENT OUT OF HAND HERE. RUSSIA MAY VERY WELL, BE
OUT OF HAND HERE. RUSSIA MAY VERY WELL, BE SPINNING, A WEB OF BS AGAIN.
RUSSIA MAY VERY WELL, BE SPINNING, A WEB OF BS AGAIN. SO LET‘S BE CLEAR
SPINNING, A WEB OF BS AGAIN. SO LET‘S BE CLEAR THE RUSSIANS
SO LET‘S BE CLEAR THE RUSSIANS SUGGESTING THAT THEY‘RE
THE RUSSIANS SUGGESTING THAT THEY‘RE PULLING BACK
SUGGESTING THAT THEY‘RE PULLING BACK THAT MAY TURN OUT TO BE FALSE,
PULLING BACK THAT MAY TURN OUT TO BE FALSE, BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE IS, ARE
THAT MAY TURN OUT TO BE FALSE, BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE IS, ARE THESE PEACE TALKS REAL?
BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE IS, ARE THESE PEACE TALKS REAL? ARE THEY GETTING
THESE PEACE TALKS REAL? ARE THEY GETTING ANYWHERE? AND CAN THEY PUT AN
ARE THEY GETTING ANYWHERE? AND CAN THEY PUT AN END TO RUSSIA‘S BRUTAL
ANYWHERE? AND CAN THEY PUT AN END TO RUSSIA‘S BRUTAL WAR AGAINST
END TO RUSSIA‘S BRUTAL WAR AGAINST UKRAINE EARLIER? I SPOKE ABOUT
WAR AGAINST UKRAINE EARLIER? I SPOKE ABOUT ALL THIS WITH THE FULL.
UKRAINE EARLIER? I SPOKE ABOUT ALL THIS WITH THE FULL. US AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA AND TO
ALL THIS WITH THE FULL. US AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA AND TO THE UNITED NATIONS.
US AMBASSADOR TO RUSSIA AND TO THE UNITED NATIONS. TOM PICKERING
THE UNITED NATIONS. TOM PICKERING AMBASSADOR PICKERING. THANKS
TOM PICKERING AMBASSADOR PICKERING. THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME ON THE
AMBASSADOR PICKERING. THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME ON THE SHOW TONIGHT.
SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME ON THE SHOW TONIGHT. FEW PEOPLE IN AMERICA
SHOW TONIGHT. FEW PEOPLE IN AMERICA UNDERSTAND RUSSIA BETTER THAN
FEW PEOPLE IN AMERICA UNDERSTAND RUSSIA BETTER THAN YOU. DO. YOU WERE AMBASSADOR
UNDERSTAND RUSSIA BETTER THAN YOU. DO. YOU WERE AMBASSADOR TO MOSCOW IN THE 90S
YOU. DO. YOU WERE AMBASSADOR TO MOSCOW IN THE 90S BEFORE THAT. YOU DEALT WITH
TO MOSCOW IN THE 90S BEFORE THAT. YOU DEALT WITH THEM AT THE UNITED NATIONS AS
BEFORE THAT. YOU DEALT WITH THEM AT THE UNITED NATIONS AS AMBASSADOR THERE, DO YOU BUY
THEM AT THE UNITED NATIONS AS AMBASSADOR THERE, DO YOU BUY THIS IDEA THAT MOSCOW
AMBASSADOR THERE, DO YOU BUY THIS IDEA THAT MOSCOW RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING FOR A WAY
THIS IDEA THAT MOSCOW RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT OF THIS
RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT OF THIS DISASTROUS INVASION OF UKRAINE
OUT OF THIS DISASTROUS INVASION OF UKRAINE THAT THEY‘RE MOVING THE
DISASTROUS INVASION OF UKRAINE THAT THEY‘RE MOVING THE GOALPOSTS TO COVER THEIR
THAT THEY‘RE MOVING THE GOALPOSTS TO COVER THEIR BACKSIDES AS THEY RETREAT. AND
GOALPOSTS TO COVER THEIR BACKSIDES AS THEY RETREAT. AND IF THAT‘S THE CASE, THAT
BACKSIDES AS THEY RETREAT. AND IF THAT‘S THE CASE, THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD
IF THAT‘S THE CASE, THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE, RIGHT?
SOMETHING WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
ENCOURAGE, RIGHT? RIGHT. IT‘S A GREAT QUESTION ME. AND
RIGHT. IT‘S A GREAT QUESTION ME. AND I THINK THAT AT THE MOMENT
IT‘S A GREAT QUESTION ME. AND I THINK THAT AT THE MOMENT WE SHOULD PICK UP EVERYTHING
I THINK THAT AT THE MOMENT WE SHOULD PICK UP EVERYTHING WE CAN PICK UP ONE.
WE SHOULD PICK UP EVERYTHING WE CAN PICK UP ONE. I DON‘T TRUST MOSCOW ON THIS
WE CAN PICK UP ONE. I DON‘T TRUST MOSCOW ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE,
I DON‘T TRUST MOSCOW ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, PARTICULARLY PRESIDENT. PUTIN
PARTICULAR ISSUE, PARTICULARLY PRESIDENT. PUTIN HAS MADE IT CLEAR
PARTICULARLY PRESIDENT. PUTIN HAS MADE IT CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE
HAS MADE IT CLEAR THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EXERCISE THAT HE WILL,
THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EXERCISE THAT HE WILL, TELL FALSEHOODS TO ACHIEVE HIS
EXERCISE THAT HE WILL, TELL FALSEHOODS TO ACHIEVE HIS OBJECTIVES, BUT I DO THINK
TELL FALSEHOODS TO ACHIEVE HIS OBJECTIVES, BUT I DO THINK IT‘S IMPORTANT THAT UKRAINE
OBJECTIVES, BUT I DO THINK IT‘S IMPORTANT THAT UKRAINE AND RUSSIA ARE NEGOTIATING
IT‘S IMPORTANT THAT UKRAINE AND RUSSIA ARE NEGOTIATING AND THEY SEEM TO BE MOVING
AND RUSSIA ARE NEGOTIATING AND THEY SEEM TO BE MOVING TOGETHER
AND THEY SEEM TO BE MOVING TOGETHER IN A NUMBER OF AREAS.
TOGETHER IN A NUMBER OF AREAS. LET‘S SEE HOW THAT
IN A NUMBER OF AREAS. LET‘S SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.
LET‘S SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT. AND WE SHOULD SUPPORT UKRAINE.
WORKS OUT. AND WE SHOULD SUPPORT UKRAINE. YOU MENTIONED NEGOTIATIONS.
AND WE SHOULD SUPPORT UKRAINE. YOU MENTIONED NEGOTIATIONS. THERE IS NOW TALK OF A
YOU MENTIONED NEGOTIATIONS. THERE IS NOW TALK OF A POSSIBLE
THERE IS NOW TALK OF A POSSIBLE POSSIBLE DIPLOMATIC DEAL IN
POSSIBLE POSSIBLE DIPLOMATIC DEAL IN TURKEY IN, WHICH BOTH
POSSIBLE DIPLOMATIC DEAL IN TURKEY IN, WHICH BOTH UKRAINIAN NEUTRALITY AND
TURKEY IN, WHICH BOTH UKRAINIAN NEUTRALITY AND SOVEREIGNTY
UKRAINIAN NEUTRALITY AND SOVEREIGNTY IS
SOVEREIGNTY IS GUARANTEED BY OUTSIDE
IS GUARANTEED BY OUTSIDE COUNTRIES, LIKE FRANCE, THE
GUARANTEED BY OUTSIDE COUNTRIES, LIKE FRANCE, THE U.S. TURKEY AND EVEN ISRAEL,
COUNTRIES, LIKE FRANCE, THE U.S. TURKEY AND EVEN ISRAEL, BUT HOW WOULD THAT WORK IN
U.S. TURKEY AND EVEN ISRAEL, BUT HOW WOULD THAT WORK IN PRACTICE?
BUT HOW WOULD THAT WORK IN PRACTICE? AND WOULD THAT BE THE KIND OF
PRACTICE? AND WOULD THAT BE THE KIND OF OF? I DON‘T KNOW
AND WOULD THAT BE THE KIND OF OF? I DON‘T KNOW WHAT THAT BE EQUIVALENT TO
OF? I DON‘T KNOW WHAT THAT BE EQUIVALENT TO KIND OF
WHAT THAT BE EQUIVALENT TO KIND OF A NATO ARTICLE 5 SECURITY
KIND OF A NATO ARTICLE 5 SECURITY GUARANTEE THAT COUNTRIES LIKE
A NATO ARTICLE 5 SECURITY GUARANTEE THAT COUNTRIES LIKE POLAND AND THE BALTIC STATES
GUARANTEE THAT COUNTRIES LIKE POLAND AND THE BALTIC STATES CURRENTLY,
POLAND AND THE BALTIC STATES CURRENTLY, ENJOY.
CURRENTLY, ENJOY. THAT‘S CERTAINLY WHAT IT
ENJOY. THAT‘S CERTAINLY WHAT IT APPEARS
THAT‘S CERTAINLY WHAT IT APPEARS PRESIDENT. SOLINSKY WOULD LIKE
APPEARS PRESIDENT. SOLINSKY WOULD LIKE THE REALLY INTERESTING
PRESIDENT. SOLINSKY WOULD LIKE THE REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION IS
THE REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION IS IF WE‘RE NOT PREPARED TO GIVE
QUESTION IS IF WE‘RE NOT PREPARED TO GIVE IT TO HIM ON THE GROUND
IF WE‘RE NOT PREPARED TO GIVE IT TO HIM ON THE GROUND BY OUR PRESENCE
IT TO HIM ON THE GROUND BY OUR PRESENCE MILITARILY. IN UKRAINE.
BY OUR PRESENCE MILITARILY. IN UKRAINE. ARE WE PREPARED TO GIVE IT TO
MILITARILY. IN UKRAINE. ARE WE PREPARED TO GIVE IT TO HIM IN A
ARE WE PREPARED TO GIVE IT TO HIM IN A KOREAN, A TREATY ARRANGEMENT,
HIM IN A KOREAN, A TREATY ARRANGEMENT, IN WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO
KOREAN, A TREATY ARRANGEMENT, IN WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO DELIVER ON THE GROUND
IN WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO DELIVER ON THE GROUND LATER ON WITH ALL THE
DELIVER ON THE GROUND LATER ON WITH ALL THE CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE THERE.
LATER ON WITH ALL THE CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE THERE. I BELIEVE THAT
CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE THERE. I BELIEVE THAT A GUARANTEE IN
I BELIEVE THAT A GUARANTEE IN THESE DAYS IN AGES
A GUARANTEE IN THESE DAYS IN AGES IN
THESE DAYS IN AGES IN DIPLOMACY
IN DIPLOMACY IS STILL
DIPLOMACY IS STILL A FAIRLY SHAKY
IS STILL A FAIRLY SHAKY THING
A FAIRLY SHAKY THING THAT THE BETTER THING TO DO.
THING THAT THE BETTER THING TO DO. IS OBVIOUSLY
THAT THE BETTER THING TO DO. IS OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE ACTIONS BEING TAKEN BY
IS OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE ACTIONS BEING TAKEN BY BOTH SIDES THAT THEY‘RE DEEPLY
TO HAVE ACTIONS BEING TAKEN BY BOTH SIDES THAT THEY‘RE DEEPLY INVESTED IN FOR THEIR OWN
BOTH SIDES THAT THEY‘RE DEEPLY INVESTED IN FOR THEIR OWN OWN SELF PRESERVATION.
INVESTED IN FOR THEIR OWN OWN SELF PRESERVATION. THE BEST GUARANTEE.
OWN SELF PRESERVATION. THE BEST GUARANTEE. IT IS INDEED SOME OF TALKED
THE BEST GUARANTEE. IT IS INDEED SOME OF TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND
IT IS INDEED SOME OF TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND PUTIN‘S FUTURE.
ABOUT THE FUTURE AND PUTIN‘S FUTURE. PRESIDENT. BIDEN HAS TAKEN A
PUTIN‘S FUTURE. PRESIDENT. BIDEN HAS TAKEN A LOT OF FLACK IN RECENT DAYS
PRESIDENT. BIDEN HAS TAKEN A LOT OF FLACK IN RECENT DAYS FOR SUGGESTING IN POLAND, ON
LOT OF FLACK IN RECENT DAYS FOR SUGGESTING IN POLAND, ON SATURDAY. THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN
FOR SUGGESTING IN POLAND, ON SATURDAY. THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN SHOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE OF
SATURDAY. THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN SHOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE OF RUSSIA. HE SAYS IT‘S NOT
SHOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE OF RUSSIA. HE SAYS IT‘S NOT A REGIME CHANGE POLICY
RUSSIA. HE SAYS IT‘S NOT A REGIME CHANGE POLICY IS THERE ANY CHANCE DO THAT?
A REGIME CHANGE POLICY IS THERE ANY CHANCE DO THAT? WE SEE THE VLADIMIR PUTIN
IS THERE ANY CHANCE DO THAT? WE SEE THE VLADIMIR PUTIN REGIME
WE SEE THE VLADIMIR PUTIN REGIME WEAKENED IF NOT FALL
REGIME WEAKENED IF NOT FALL IN THE COMING YEARS OF
WEAKENED IF NOT FALL IN THE COMING YEARS OF RUSSIANS
IN THE COMING YEARS OF RUSSIANS OVERTHROWING HIM. OR IS THAT
RUSSIANS OVERTHROWING HIM. OR IS THAT JUST PURE WESTERN
OVERTHROWING HIM. OR IS THAT JUST PURE WESTERN LIBERAL FANTASY AT THIS POINT?
JUST PURE WESTERN LIBERAL FANTASY AT THIS POINT? WE THINK MAYBE IT‘S A TRIUMPH
LIBERAL FANTASY AT THIS POINT? WE THINK MAYBE IT‘S A TRIUMPH OF OPTIMISM OVER HARSH
WE THINK MAYBE IT‘S A TRIUMPH OF OPTIMISM OVER HARSH REALITY
OF OPTIMISM OVER HARSH REALITY AT THE PRESENT.
REALITY AT THE PRESENT. I‘M IT COULD COME,
AT THE PRESENT. I‘M IT COULD COME, BUT WITH A LOT MORE
I‘M IT COULD COME, BUT WITH A LOT MORE PRESSURE,
BUT WITH A LOT MORE PRESSURE, A LOT MORE EFFORT TO REDUCE
PRESSURE, A LOT MORE EFFORT TO REDUCE PUTIN‘S INCOME FROM OIL AND
A LOT MORE EFFORT TO REDUCE PUTIN‘S INCOME FROM OIL AND GAS,
PUTIN‘S INCOME FROM OIL AND GAS, WHICH PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS I
GAS, WHICH PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS I THINK RIGHTFULLY STARTED,
WHICH PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS I THINK RIGHTFULLY STARTED, BUT HE STILL MAKING A LOT OF
THINK RIGHTFULLY STARTED, BUT HE STILL MAKING A LOT OF MONEY
BUT HE STILL MAKING A LOT OF MONEY WHEN OIL PRICES
MONEY WHEN OIL PRICES INCREASES
WHEN OIL PRICES INCREASES COMING OUT OF HIS INVASION OF
INCREASES COMING OUT OF HIS INVASION OF UKRAINE.
COMING OUT OF HIS INVASION OF UKRAINE. SOMEHOW, THAT HAS TO BE
UKRAINE. SOMEHOW, THAT HAS TO BE ONE THAT
SOMEHOW, THAT HAS TO BE ONE THAT I MUST HAVE PICKERING PRIOR TO
ONE THAT I MUST HAVE PICKERING PRIOR TO THE INVASION LOSS MONTH.
I MUST HAVE PICKERING PRIOR TO THE INVASION LOSS MONTH. THERE. WAS THIS BIG ARGUMENT
THE INVASION LOSS MONTH. THERE. WAS THIS BIG ARGUMENT HERE IN THE WEST ABOUT
THERE. WAS THIS BIG ARGUMENT HERE IN THE WEST ABOUT NATO EXPANSION OF WHAT
HERE IN THE WEST ABOUT NATO EXPANSION OF WHAT REAL ROLE IN MIGHT HAVE PLAYED
NATO EXPANSION OF WHAT REAL ROLE IN MIGHT HAVE PLAYED IN ALL OF THIS AND YOUR NAME
REAL ROLE IN MIGHT HAVE PLAYED IN ALL OF THIS AND YOUR NAME CAME UP WITH A LOT OF OTHER US
IN ALL OF THIS AND YOUR NAME CAME UP WITH A LOT OF OTHER US OFFICIALS
CAME UP WITH A LOT OF OTHER US OFFICIALS WHO WARNED ABOUT THE POSSIBLE
OFFICIALS WHO WARNED ABOUT THE POSSIBLE DANGERS OF NATO EXPANSION OR
WHO WARNED ABOUT THE POSSIBLE DANGERS OF NATO EXPANSION OR DOWNSIDE. GEORGE KENNAN,
DANGERS OF NATO EXPANSION OR DOWNSIDE. GEORGE KENNAN, BILL BURNS HENRY KISSINGER
DOWNSIDE. GEORGE KENNAN, BILL BURNS HENRY KISSINGER WILLIAM PERRY
BILL BURNS HENRY KISSINGER WILLIAM PERRY BACK IN
WILLIAM PERRY BACK IN 1994. YOU WROTE IN A
BACK IN 1994. YOU WROTE IN A DIPLOMATIC
1994. YOU WROTE IN A DIPLOMATIC CABLE TO D.C. FROM
DIPLOMATIC CABLE TO D.C. FROM MOSCOW. WHERE YOU AMBASSADOR
CABLE TO D.C. FROM MOSCOW. WHERE YOU AMBASSADOR AT THE TIME THAT QUOTE
MOSCOW. WHERE YOU AMBASSADOR AT THE TIME THAT QUOTE HOSTILITY TO EARLY. NATO
AT THE TIME THAT QUOTE HOSTILITY TO EARLY. NATO EXPANSION
HOSTILITY TO EARLY. NATO EXPANSION IS ALMOST
EXPANSION IS ALMOST DIVERSITY, FELT ACROSS THE
IS ALMOST DIVERSITY, FELT ACROSS THE DOMESTIC POLITICAL SPECTRUM
DIVERSITY, FELT ACROSS THE DOMESTIC POLITICAL SPECTRUM HERE AND IT MIGHT PROVOKE A
DOMESTIC POLITICAL SPECTRUM HERE AND IT MIGHT PROVOKE A NATIONALIST
HERE AND IT MIGHT PROVOKE A NATIONALIST CORD ON FOREIGN POLICY
NATIONALIST CORD ON FOREIGN POLICY FROM RUSSIA. YOU SEEM TO HAVE
CORD ON FOREIGN POLICY FROM RUSSIA. YOU SEEM TO HAVE BEEN QUITE
FROM RUSSIA. YOU SEEM TO HAVE BEEN QUITE PRESCIENT NEARLY THREE DECADES
BEEN QUITE PRESCIENT NEARLY THREE DECADES AGO AS WAS YOUR
PRESCIENT NEARLY THREE DECADES AGO AS WAS YOUR SUCCESSOR IN MOSCOW, BILL
AGO AS WAS YOUR SUCCESSOR IN MOSCOW, BILL BURNS. NOW THE CIA CHIEF WHO
SUCCESSOR IN MOSCOW, BILL BURNS. NOW THE CIA CHIEF WHO ALSO SAID NATO EXPANSION WAS
BURNS. NOW THE CIA CHIEF WHO ALSO SAID NATO EXPANSION WAS THE BRIGHTEST OF ALL RED
ALSO SAID NATO EXPANSION WAS THE BRIGHTEST OF ALL RED LINES FOR RUSSIA. DO YOU WISH
THE BRIGHTEST OF ALL RED LINES FOR RUSSIA. DO YOU WISH MORE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AND
LINES FOR RUSSIA. DO YOU WISH MORE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AND LISTEN TO YOU BACK
MORE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AND LISTEN TO YOU BACK THEN? YES, AND I NEVER HEARD
LISTEN TO YOU BACK THEN? YES, AND I NEVER HEARD BACK FROM THE CABLE. IT
THEN? YES, AND I NEVER HEARD BACK FROM THE CABLE. IT WAS AN IMPORTANT
BACK FROM THE CABLE. IT WAS AN IMPORTANT CABLE AND BILL BURNS,
WAS AN IMPORTANT CABLE AND BILL BURNS, AND I WORK TOGETHER
CABLE AND BILL BURNS, AND I WORK TOGETHER IN.
AND I WORK TOGETHER IN. MOSCOW
IN. MOSCOW ON A NUMBER OF MESSAGES, ONE
MOSCOW ON A NUMBER OF MESSAGES, ONE OF WHICH HE PUBLISHED IN HIS
ON A NUMBER OF MESSAGES, ONE OF WHICH HE PUBLISHED IN HIS RECENT BOOK. I ALSO GAVE
OF WHICH HE PUBLISHED IN HIS RECENT BOOK. I ALSO GAVE A SPEECH IN JULY OF
RECENT BOOK. I ALSO GAVE A SPEECH IN JULY OF 1994
A SPEECH IN JULY OF 1994 IN THE UNITED KINGDOM
1994 IN THE UNITED KINGDOM SAYING IN A FEW PARAGRAPHS
IN THE UNITED KINGDOM SAYING IN A FEW PARAGRAPHS THAT THE
SAYING IN A FEW PARAGRAPHS THAT THE EUROPEAN SHOULD STOP BEING SO
THAT THE EUROPEAN SHOULD STOP BEING SO DEPENDENT
EUROPEAN SHOULD STOP BEING SO DEPENDENT ON RUSSIAN OIL AND GAS
DEPENDENT ON RUSSIAN OIL AND GAS AT SOME POINT. IT MIGHT, WELL,
ON RUSSIAN OIL AND GAS AT SOME POINT. IT MIGHT, WELL, BITE THEM. IT HAS PERHAPS,
AT SOME POINT. IT MIGHT, WELL, BITE THEM. IT HAS PERHAPS, TOO LATE FOR
BITE THEM. IT HAS PERHAPS, TOO LATE FOR THE PRESCIENT
TOO LATE FOR THE PRESCIENT THAT YOU REMARK TO HON, BUT
THE PRESCIENT THAT YOU REMARK TO HON, BUT NEVERTHELESS,
THAT YOU REMARK TO HON, BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT IS A
NEVERTHELESS, IT IS A PROBLEM.
IT IS A PROBLEM. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE A
PROBLEM. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED OVER
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED OVER THIS, AND PEOPLE WHO RAISED
LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ARGUED OVER THIS, AND PEOPLE WHO RAISED THE NATO ISSUE ARE OFTEN
THIS, AND PEOPLE WHO RAISED THE NATO ISSUE ARE OFTEN DISMISSED AS PUTIN APOLOGIST
THE NATO ISSUE ARE OFTEN DISMISSED AS PUTIN APOLOGIST BUYING INTO RUSSIAN
DISMISSED AS PUTIN APOLOGIST BUYING INTO RUSSIAN CLEAR. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING
BUYING INTO RUSSIAN CLEAR. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING THAT NATO EXPANSION
CLEAR. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING THAT NATO EXPANSION CALLS, THE WAR. VLADIMIR PUTIN
THAT NATO EXPANSION CALLS, THE WAR. VLADIMIR PUTIN CALLS THE WHY? I THINK WE CAN
CALLS, THE WAR. VLADIMIR PUTIN CALLS THE WHY? I THINK WE CAN AGREE ON THAT. BUT COULD WE
CALLS THE WHY? I THINK WE CAN AGREE ON THAT. BUT COULD WE HAVE
AGREE ON THAT. BUT COULD WE HAVE MAY BE AVOIDED GETTING TO THIS
HAVE MAY BE AVOIDED GETTING TO THIS POINT? I WONDER
MAY BE AVOIDED GETTING TO THIS POINT? I WONDER IF WE HAD REIGNED IN NATO
POINT? I WONDER IF WE HAD REIGNED IN NATO EXPANSION TO THE EAST,
IF WE HAD REIGNED IN NATO EXPANSION TO THE EAST, ESPECIALLY THE RATHER
EXPANSION TO THE EAST, ESPECIALLY THE RATHER DISINGENUOUS OFFER OF
ESPECIALLY THE RATHER DISINGENUOUS OFFER OF MEMBERSHIP TO UKRAINE AND
DISINGENUOUS OFFER OF MEMBERSHIP TO UKRAINE AND GEORGIA IN 2008
MEMBERSHIP TO UKRAINE AND GEORGIA IN 2008 FROM GEORGE W--, BUSH AGAINST
GEORGIA IN 2008 FROM GEORGE W--, BUSH AGAINST THE ADVICE OF MANY OF HIS
FROM GEORGE W--, BUSH AGAINST THE ADVICE OF MANY OF HIS OFFICIALS, WHICH WAS NEVER
MOSCOW,
MOSCOW, NIDHI IS FREQUENTLY RAISED BY
MOSCOW, NIDHI IS FREQUENTLY RAISED BY PUTIN AS PART OF HIS ARGUMENTS
NIDHI IS FREQUENTLY RAISED BY PUTIN AS PART OF HIS ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHY. IN FACT HE
PUTIN AS PART OF HIS ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHY. IN FACT HE HAS ACTED THE WAY HE IS
ABOUT WHY. IN FACT HE HAS ACTED THE WAY HE IS ACTING, IT IS NOT IN MY
HAS ACTED THE WAY HE IS ACTING, IT IS NOT IN MY VIEW
ACTING, IT IS NOT IN MY VIEW WHOSE SOLE QUESTION THAT WAS
VIEW WHOSE SOLE QUESTION THAT WAS ON HIS MIND
WHOSE SOLE QUESTION THAT WAS ON HIS MIND AND CAN WE
ON HIS MIND AND CAN WE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER LINK IS
AND CAN WE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER LINK IS INVASION OF UKRAINE TO THAT?
IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER LINK IS INVASION OF UKRAINE TO THAT? THAT? I THINK ONLY WITH
INVASION OF UKRAINE TO THAT? THAT? I THINK ONLY WITH WHAT I WOULD CALL
THAT? I THINK ONLY WITH WHAT I WOULD CALL THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF
WHAT I WOULD CALL THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF EMBROIDERY.
THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF EMBROIDERY. AMBASSADOR PICKERING, WE WILL
EMBROIDERY. AMBASSADOR PICKERING, WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANK
AMBASSADOR PICKERING, WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AND
HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AND YOUR ANALYSIS. APPRECIATE, IT
YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AND YOUR ANALYSIS. APPRECIATE, IT HONOR TO BE