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thetion hello guys this is Philip from K
we're here at Mighty sounds festival and
we're chilling in the tour bus with the
guys from s of it all hey chilling being
the right word because it's actually
kind of cool because it's AC in here
yeah outside we get like 50° but yeah
it's brutal there yeah perfect place to
be here so guys you're out there doing
music for almost 30 years I guess years
like I'm 25 so that's pry so that's huge
um me too and uh you still play with
such energy you know you're still on the
road uh what drives you to to do this
just to be to be good you know not to be
a [ __ ] up not to not to be a hack job
you know what I mean not to disappoint
yeah yeah you got to bring it to get it
you know what I mean if you don't bring
if you don't bring the impact the people
aren't going to give it back to you you
got to you got to come heavy or stay
home okay okay uh guys what about the
hardcore scene because you were out
there in 0s in New York City when there
was I don't know the new subculture was
formed back there uh how do you think
hardcore has changed or
evolved after those 30 years it's gone a
lot of different different ways you know
uh it's people have different ideal
about it now I mean we started it was
just you know for fun and do it it just
snowballs into this now people say oh
I'm going to start a hardcore band so I
can tour the world and blah blah blah
you know and you can you can actually do
that and make a living from it if you're
a good band so that that possibility
exists now and it has existed for a long
time to be honest like when we first
started out we didn't really have that
um idea that we could make this a career
it just happened we were just doing what
we liked it was like one foot in front
of the other you didn't think of the big
picture because it didn't really exist
so there was no like Big Marketing
scheme behind anything it was play the
next show in front of you right that was
it just enjoy the next oh we're going to
play in Boston we're going to play oh
we're going to Florida for Five shows it
everything was a thrill first time you
go to Europe it's a Big Thrill so it was
just you know step by step I think now
the scene is um it's broken off into a
lot of smaller uh little sects you know
what I mean yeah where before
yeah yeah sex means sub categories but
it used to just be one Collective you
had uh you know all different types of
music from everything from heavy metal
to to you know to punk rock to SCA to Oi
all mixed into heavy metal everything
and it was better that way not not being
so split up way more communication
having more you know how this Festival
has a whole bunch of different styles of
music a Regular Show at cbgbs would be
kind of more like this than it would be
nowadays where where you would have only
bands like if a hate breed style band
was playing all the other bands would be
a hate breed style band yeah and for
some reason people like that that's
that's not a desirable uh tra Europe
yeah Europe kept it a little more
diverse you know and I think that's
really good the uh the fact that you
know different crowds within the same
genre get uh pulled together it's it's
communication you know it's really what
it's about it's about people coming
together yeah it's not about what are
you playing you know all the division
division is the trick to make everybody
uh you know go against each other and
fall in line divide and conquer it's the
oldest thing in the world so I think
that this music is communication you
know so it's good to have it as open as
possible your last record the last Act
of defiance was released last year um I
would like to talk about the title
because it could be perceived two ways
it could be the last Act of defiance
before Victory or before defeat
or that's how I how I see it yeah yeah
how did you how did you mean it that's
pretty much what it was it's like you
know yeah you like the two parts
everybody you could make up your own
idea about it you know a lot of people
thought we titled that so we were that
oh this could be their last record blah
blah blah but no you know it was just a
cool title and like you said it could be
the last acence before our Victory or
before the defeat people get too caught
up in what's happening in the world and
it's terrible what's happening but uh
Free Will is the ultimate
decider you know even if you're in
Chains you can still have your mind be
where you want it to be to some degree
you understand what I mean by that mind
yeah free free free your mind you know
what I mean that's really what it comes
down to you know what I mean it's all
perspective so that's the main message
you want to just send out like because
that was my next question that's what
I'm saying I don't know if that's a main
message collectively but what he said
pretty much describes the title it's
open-ended in other words just my
interpretation of it is that you know so
the main message of
the new record if there is any yeah
where wherever the world's pulling
ultimately you control you even if
you're in Chains you still control way
your heads out I hear what the guy
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say there is a song called the road L
traveled on mhm the last record it was
the first single You released I guess
you did very well it was very well
claimed uh I will quote now uh we did
not choose this passion drove us to it
hardcore is our life now B to walk on
the roadless
traveled um that's kind of passionate
and personal have you enjoyed walking on
those roads less traveled or of course
it's it's been uh you know we've been
able to make music our life that's uh
it's so rare especially you know when
you see people that are really musically
talented and all they end up doing is
like working at a music store you know
and it's such a shame to see that when
it's possible even for people with
limited Talent like ourselves to
actually make a living doing this so
we've always been very uh kind of
conscious of how lucky we are yeah and
you know the the world roess Tri part is
going to you know it was a scary thing
we didn't know that we could make like
we said before we didn't know we could
make a living at it and there were times
when we would go out on tour and it
would be very scary you didn't know what
was going to happen but we chose to do
this instead of like a lot of our peers
who when they were successful a little
bit and they like well it's time I got
to go to college and get a career cuz
you know I can't make music for the rest
of my life we've just ended up doing it
you know yeah it's there a certain sense
of Freedom involved in doing what you
wanted to do as a kid what you enjoyed
doing you do now and you're not really
bound to
anybody else as far as work is concerned
it's and not harping on the future so
much there's a lot of people that freak
themselves out even though they have the
all the same opportunities as we did to
make this their their life and they
decided not to because of their own fear
of what the future would hold you know
two 2.5 kids a dog a house in the
suburbs all of that stuff can make you
um bound to an
idea that can really mess you up and you
can still get it by playing music
exactly there's nothing wrong with only
problem is there's no retirement plan
it's the fear of getting there is the
problem you know yeah there's no
retirement plan you know what I mean got
to make your own retirement plan
whatever that may be yeah that's cool
love that everybody could have that
option or opportunity everybody's got
that opportunity but it's using it right
and you guys did very well you're doing
it for 30 years that's that's thanks
um uh what would you have been doing if
you weren't in a sick of old it's hard
to say I was really hard working at
graphic arts in a in a rug Factory and I
could have stayed there I got really
high in the uh position there my
position there was real but then they
went out of business like 10 years ago
what would I do then you know have to go
start all over learn computers whatever
the hell is who knows I never did really
well unless I was very interested in
something the only things I excelled in
were things that I was passionate about
if I had to go work on an office for
somebody I was a real [ __ ] up when it
came to stuff like that I didn't enjoy
it at all so I'm one of those people you
you know technically I'm lazy but not I
when I love something something that
interests me I'll push 200% it's just if
you put me in a position that I don't
care about you're not going to get much
out of me Craig would be a guru
somewhere look look he's wearing a
positive color you know makes me happy
makes you happy too about you're happy
now I might have been in the music
industry in one way or another I don't
know exactly where cuz I did did try it
out for a little while and H I don't
know it's there's there's a lot of
things about the music industry that
could bum you out yeah but if they
hadn't been music you wouldn't be in the
music industry we're saying if music
didn't really exist in your life think
about it yeah away from you music was
always a passion of mine so um that's
why I figured try out working at a
record label and I did for a little
while and it was okay but it just it
wasn't as satisfying as uh playing shows
and having people appla what you do we'd
all probably be involved in music then
if if you're not taking music out of the
equation it just wouldn't be like it is
now it wouldn't be yeah being a
band I think I'd be involved in another
way with music may be working
construction or sewer workers yeah i' be
a millionaire I'd be a millionaire in
the biggest band in the world except
these guys look what they did to me
huh what do you listen to
now a lot of different stuff everything
I put my when I drive my car I put my
iPod on a random shuffle and everything
comes up I found myself liking R&B a lot
I listen to the baselines and figure
them out like the old mtown stuff
because it's really good Bas when I
drive around that's mostly what if my
daughter's not in the car she'll she'll
listen to whatever I play but she likes
to listen to uh a lot of like kid pop
music yeah but she likes like if I put
on sick of it all she shakes if I try to
sing along to her kid pop song she goes
daddy like you you sing good for your
music not this
music but when I drive around I mostly
there's a an oldie station that goes
from the 50s through the 70s and it just
reminds me of when I kid drive around my
dad's car so I just listen to that stuff
but at home I listen to a lot of you
know different Punk hardcore old new
yeah she's probably going to grow up
into a hardcore kid we'll see she likes
it you know she likes it she's too happy
for that old she's five yeah she's here
today she's going to watch the show she
keeps telling me I might not watch your
whole show Daddy I want to stay on the
bus he loves the bus it's like a new
toy guys after you finish this your
Summer Festival session what's next for
you we getting we're coming up with
ideas for uh next year is our 30y year
anniversary so we're going to try to
figure something out we got to come up
with a good set for touring we got to
come up with a good tour in the fall we
go to Southeast Asia and Australia so
that's like a the next like proper tour
that we're going to do that's like 3
weeks long and then uh you know so as a
part of that we're going to China for
the first time which is um new territory
for us we've been around for 29 years
but that's never been to CH before never
been to China so uh we're going to
hopefully get in the country and
hopefully play a couple of shows it
should be good we did play Hong Kong
it's not really China well yeah not
really but close guys thank you very
much for the interview thank you thanks
man with the
Legends very nice thank you thanks bu
see you later rise
up up rise up rise up rise up rise up
rise up
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