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in the mornings with us even more p_h_d_ vice president of policy of the reason
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twenty-first century you can fight over reason dot org
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toll roads do i have their eyes
yet
at reasonably accurate privatized toll roads
eg some of that and uh... the back you know it
a road that you're building
uh...
that's going to be told will generate enough revenue four
private record make investment
that makes a lot of sent because then the money
we have from the gasoline taxes and i think scan gota wrote that can't be told
or can't be built by the private factor into a two way through providing and
cochran to make sure we get an approach bill so here suggesting that we should
turn our public roads over to corporations that typically like in the
health insurance industry skin thirty percent off the top to pay their c_e_o_s
multimillion dollar salaries
to pay billions of dollars money is uh... stockholders to have you know
corporate
jets with gold faucets in the washroom sp things like that
that that we should do that with the commons of our roads
uh... guys you know i understand the libertarian vision of there being
basically no commons but
can you describe to me any country other than somalia
that has done this in in somalia of course as you know it's not corporations
who uh... who have tolls along the roads it's will local warlords
uh... who who have checkpoints react to pay
you know bribes to get past but its in its effectively the same thing can you
describe for me any country where this has ever been done successfully
uh... you're all freeway contractor already
and their own but i a corporation easy
the current place
and their and their own private corporations
as pretty as i a m
australia arabic and i think
stand food network of private toll roads u_k_ has
a bigger network frank have the biggest network yeah frances also million at the
rate of privatizing water
and not only their own they've they've privatized in the water of london the
townsend things although the british is turning it pretty upset about this
when na
it in it just it seems nuts to me and in the french are also in a nuclear power
uh... day which seems nuts
but isn't this really a twentieth-century debate when we should
be
addy
and where the twenty-first century instead of debating
how we're going to do our roads in what corporations were going to hand our
roads are too so that they can make money off you know the average shalom
try to get to work
should we be talking about things like light rail and a high-speed rail
e things that the developing world is moving rapidly towards china india
uh... the russia on all day all these countries are building a high-speed rail
light rail systems that are very efficient and provide access for people
to to get to work
things are not mutually exclusive first of all uh... an
we grant we grow our populations grow our cities grow unit you have to have
traffic infrastructure
to get people from here to there we've got to be able to be mobile anarchy here
you mention my book uh... the whole premise the book is that people got to
be able to get
anywhere within a p_d_a_ within a reasonable time in order for them to
function economically and socially right um...
being
you need a camping trip with them that that that now
developing countries are like you pay a embracing rail tram did increasingly
interestingly developed countries seldane going back and looking at your
end
built out there rail transit system the extent that reactor or world war two and
have very densities compared to the u_s_
uh...
they're shifting away from transit
people bear the percentage of people who use
public transit in european declining each year at more more people brian
u_s_ is already there we first started that way after world war two so you know
i guess we have with real strength in the u_s_ is that nobody uses it
well actually a lot of people use it in the dancers like the northeast corner
and and
business the the pacific southwest and you know there's there's a lot of places
where it could work really well
on a half
traveled around france adjusted i've said like her to make hide you know i've
driven
french fries but it's
i've got taken a french train to the alcohol content you thought might be
gray hair and everything down and that that train is amazing i mean you know a
couple hundred miles an hour deserve across the countryside
uh...
hi don't recall ever having seen a toll road in france he said their extensive
what percentage of the french highways
are privately owned for us
the
the being hire our
equivalent of the autobahn network so the inner-city freeways there
our poll
and our brand
seventy percent of them as as i recall when the lapd they are private so what
percentage of the total highway systems in the country france or privatized and
toll roads
yet and that i don't know because i don't know how they cannot because
colleges describes as slices slice out of bizarre you know and and laminate
the uh... bailout of private company come in until the toll road
when we were living there
and seated say okay you know five percent of atlanta's roads are but but
that's not
the united states so right you say you don't have that status quo immaculate
nationally in the u_s_ right you know put one interesting criticism so it with
private quote but
it all out
ten years one third of the new freeway capacity that we bill
in the united state had been told
much of that was told by government
through a public-private partnership in and a lot of it was poet and a lot of
assisting is the gas tax is was fixed at eighteen cents as i recall
not eighteen percent answers the president's lingers up in the usa
gasoline goes down
uh... tative the the gas tax is raising red less and less revenue
spent federal
i've got great actress fate got their own
uh... also and all that good weather the whether and whether alan you know
whether your comment the europeans are moving to cars away from realism is
extradited sits
not what i've seen
dragon over their own several times a year uh... you know what i see a strains
that are absolutely packed packed to the gills and high-speed trains and and rat
braddock lee improving trains
but the yeti out there are a lot of people on the highways
but enright nonetheless
do we really want to be driving on roads their own by corporations skim and
thirty percent off the top
harmony it's owned by women in charles cook
and people about your day-to-day life
do you are betting that works best
in your day-to-day life putting provided by the people private corporations are
the things provided by government thanks forecaster hamari having day consumption
is provided by
are keenly provide a corporate into radio provided by corporate work
computers were popping right i don't think those things in the congress is
going on here at the internet was created by the government the the all
you know if he
the u_n_ aya however anybody is here in a source seen as whether they're weather
watches unsettling t_v_ or listening to radio station
or whatever and our own personal communications all going over the
commons it's all being you know it's whether it's whether it's honesty
analyze telephone lines satellite lines whatever it's all bjorn marianas north
korea to buy government talking
americans are comparable privately owned network another no not thus the airwaves
in our privately on there they are the property of all of us there at least ps
know the ok re-released will none of these roads private i think that they're
all
concessions so the government retained ownership and the private sector operate
them on the long term lease
exactly like that spectrum you could look at that added
still being government owned incredibly operated or you could look at it as
eighty eight temporary property right and is very concerned about the loss of
a common sir i i i i innovator in an again at the camp reason
the reason foundation in libertarians
you know associated with it
adult basically believe in the conjugates think that you know
billionaires in china corporation should on everything and we should you know
either way slaves i suppose but i i just
i'm very concerned that if we need people he started in our word of the
corporations
uh... the day is gonna come when they get such a monopoly that it's like you
know with television up into a channels mister channels are owned by a company's
and any relief in your calendar off
uh... everywhere we have private over u_s_ their popularity very high done a
lot of
and he said
this is the comma hardman that i have to be because they're putting toll roads in
those places where they know that there's a lot of demand and that's what
they can make the money but any updated more reason dot or if you can read all
about
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