RELATIONSHIP WITH MY KIDS AND I CAN'T DO IT.
YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE
IT 4@4@IS TRUE.
>> R. KELLY IS CHARGED WITH
10 COUNTS OF AGGRAVATED SEXUAL
ABUSE.
ABUSE.
ABUSE. AUTHORITIES SAY THREE OF THE
FOUR ALLEGED VICTIMS WERE UNDER
AGE WHEN THE CRIMES HAPPENED.
WE WILL HEAR MORE FROM THAT
INTERVIEW IN A MINUTE.
FIRST LET'S BRING IN OUR TWO
GUESTS.
GUESTS.
GUESTS. LET ME START WITH ROB JENKINS.
WHAT DEFENSE ATTORNEY -- IN
HIS OR HER RIGHT MIND WOULD
ALLOW THAT?
ALLOW THAT? >> IT JUST WENT WRONG.
TERRIBLY WRONG.
TERRIBLY WRONG. THE STATEMENT HE MADE TODAY,
CERTAINLY CAN COME BACK TO
HAUNT HIM LATER ON.
THAT IS THE BIGGEST REASON WHY
NO ATTORNEY WOULD RECOMMEND HE @
DO WHAT HE 4@DID 4@TODAY.
>> TELL US WHAT YOU SAW.
WHO WAS 4@THAT PERSO4@N AND WHA
WRONG WITH THAT 4@PERSON.
>> AND TERMS OF WHETHER OR
NOT HE IS GUILTY, I DON'T KNOW
THAT.
THAT.
THAT. I
THAT. I KNOW IT FELT MANIPULATIVE AND
IT DEFINITELY FELT LIKE HE IS
AN UNHEALTHY PERSON.4@
THE THING -- 4@ WHEN GAYLE KIN
ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS OWN SEXUAL
ABUSE AND HOW 4@IT AFFECTED HIM
HE SAID NOT AT ALL.
IT IS 4@NOT REALISTIC.
I DON'T THINK 4@IT IS SOMEBODY
THAT HAS REALLY EXAMINED
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF.
HIMSELF. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN A
TASTE 4@-- IF HE IS GUILTY OF
WHAT HE DOES TO WOMEN, WHEN HE
HAD THAT BREAKDOWN.
>> LET'S TAKE A 4@LISTEN AGAI.
>> YOU TALK VERY CANDIDLY
ABOUT BEING MOLESTED FROM THE
AGES OF SEVEN, U4@NTIL 13 OR 14
HOW DO YOU THINK THAT HAS
AFFECTED YOU?
AFFECTED YOU? >> IT HASN'T AFFECTED ME AT
ALL.
ALL.
ALL. >>
ALL. >> 4@4@ANYTHING I HAVE BEEN
THROUGH -- THAT OR 4@ANY
STRUGGLES I HAVE HAD IN MY
PAST, HA4@VE AFFECTED 4@MY MUSI
>> HAS IT AFFECTED YOUR
BEHAVIOR?
BEHAVIOR?
BEHAVIOR? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING --
PEOPLE WILL SAY, HE WAS ABUSED.
THAT IS WHY HE IS DOING THAT. 4
NOW.
NOW.
NOW. >>
NOW. >> MY 4@QUESTION WOULD BE, HAS
HE EVER GOTTEN ANY TREATMENT
FOR THE SEXUAL ABUSE?
>> HE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SAID HE IS SERIOUSLY THINKING
ABOUT IT NOW.
IT IS JUST NOT REALISTIC.
I HAVE WORKED WITH PEOPLE WHO 4@
HAVE 4@BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED.4@
IT IS NOT REALISTIC TO THINK IT
HAS NOT AFFECTED HIS BEHAVIOR
AND ESPECIALLY HIS IDEA 4@OF WH
HAS NOT AFFECTED HIS BEHAVIOR AND ESPECIALLY HIS IDEA 4@OF WH@
IS HEALTHY SEXUALITY.
>> HOW WOULD THE COURT LOOK
UPON THAT IF HE HAS NOT HAD ANY
4@TREATMENT IN THE PAST?
HE CANNOT USE THAT AS A
DEFENSE.
DEFENSE.
DEFENSE. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE CHARGED,
COURTS ARE NOT JUST 4@CHARGED
WITH PUNISHMENT.
WITH PUNISHMENT. THEY WANT TO PUT THEMSELVES IN @
A POSITION TO BE ASSURED THE
4@
A POSITION TO BE ASSURED THE PERSON WILL NOT REOFFEND.
TREATMENT IS DESIGNED TO
ADDRESS 4@THAT.
ADDRESS 4@THAT. WHY HE HASN'T RECEIVED ANY
TREATMENT, GIVEN HIS OWN
HISTORY WITH SEXUAL ABUS4@E,
REALLY IS QUITE BAFFLING.
>> AND WHERE IS THIS LIKELY
TO GO?
TO GO?
TO GO? WE
TO GO? WE WILL HEAR MORE FROM THE
WOMEN LIVING WITH HIM AND
DEFE4@NDING HIM.
DEFE4@NDING HIM. R. KELLY ACCUSES THE 4@FAMILY
MEMBERS OF TURNING THESE YOUNG
FEMALES OVER TO HIM.
>> WHAT KIND OF FATHER, WHAT
KIND OF MOTHER WILL SELL THEIR
DAUGHTER TO A MAN?
>> WHO DID THAT?
>> HOW COME IT WAS OKAY FOR
ME TO SEE THEM UNTIL THEY
WEREN'T GETTING 4@ANY MONEY?
>> YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE
PARENTS HANDED THEIR DAUGHTERS
OVER TO YOU?
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO
US?
US?
US? >>
US? >> ABSOLUTELY4@? WHILE THE
CAMERAS ARE 4@GOING, ABSOLUTELY
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE SEX
TRAFFICKING.
TRAFFICKING. >> HE IS BASICALLY SAYI
THAT THE PARENTS DID WRONG AND
IT WAS OKAY AS LONG AS THE
TRANSACTION WAS GOING WELL.
IT SHOULDN'T BE TRANSACTIONAL
IF YOU ARE HAVING A REAL
HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP.
HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP. >> I AM INTERESTED WHAT A
JUDGE WILL DO TO SOMEBODY LIKE @
THIS.
THIS.
THIS. WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO 4@THE JUD
JUDGE?
JUDGE?
JUDGE? >>
JUDGE? >> 4@ THAT WOULD BE A REAL
CHALLENGE.
CHALLENGE. ESPECIALLY AFTER 4@TODAY'S
PERFORMANCE.
PERFORMANCE. HE JUST DID NOT COME ACROSS AS @
BEING VERY CREDIBLE.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE WAS
SAYING OR 4@EVEN BEFORE.
INEXCUSABLE OUTBURSTS THAT HE
HAD.
HAD.
HAD. HE
HAD. HE JUST WASN'T 4@4@VERY CREDIBL
SAYING THAT ALL OF THESE WOMEN
ARE COMPLETELY 4@LYING.
>> AND 4@R. KELLY -- CAN HE
BE HELPED AT THIS POINT?
>> ANYBODY CAN BE HELPED4@.
BUT HE WOULD HAVE TO FIRST
ADMIT THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG.
WHAT I AM SEEING LOOKS LIKE
DENIAL TO ME.
IT LOOKS LIKE A STRONG WALL OF
DENIAL.
DENIAL.
DENIAL. >> 4@YOUR ADVICE WILL BE WHAT
SHUT UP AND THEN WHAT?
>> 4@SHUT UP4@ AND WAIT FOR 4
DAY IN COURT.
THAT IS THE BEST THING HE CAN
DO 4@AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
LET HIS LAWYERS DO HIS WORK.
HE HAS LAWYERS WORKING FOR HIM.
THERE IS