Now we reached out to Jack Trimarco,
he's the top polygraph operator on the globe in my opinion.
He's a former FBI Special Agent, FBI Polygraph Examiner.
He trains these folks to do this.
He's conducted over 3,500 polygraph examinations
in his extraordinary career.
Let me ask you,
did you feel like this was a fair test?
Very much.
And, you did not detect any counter measures,
she wasn't on any medications that negate the protocol,
you wouldn't have gone forward, but just so people know,
you screen for that and detect that.
Right, we discussed any
subject that came up.
As I told Jodi, there were no secrets in this case.
There would be no tricks or surprises.
That it would take at least an hour and a half,
and I asked her about medications, pain,
medical concerns, how much sleep she got.
I wanted to be sure that she was a suitable candidate
for polygraph testing.
You ask one question two different ways,
because that is the purest protocol, correct?
Right, it's called specific issue testing.
Well, you ask one question two different ways,
and the questions that were asked were,
did you stab Reesa?
And your answer was?
No.
Did you stab Reesa with a knife, and your answer was?
No.
And the results are,
that you were non-deceptive, you were telling the truth.
You did not stab your sister. (applause)
It says here that when the results were scored,
there was a 7+, with a 2+ needed
on this particular protocol,
so this wasn't a close call.
No, she would have needed a -4 or above to have failed,
a +2 or above to have passed,
and obviously +7 is well above that.
Laura, what do you have to say,
you wanted the polygraph administered.
I would like to say formally that I apologize to her
for accusing her.
(applause)
Thank you for saying that.
She didn't fit the profile.
A profile is a, a study of a particular group.
In this case, the group would be lust murderers.
Based on what I read in the reports,
this probably, not certainly,
but probably was a lust murder,
or an attempt at a sexual assault,
which ended in a homicide.
That having been said,
I would then research studies that have been done,
interviews that have been done, with all lust murderers
that are in the program, and then learn the probabilities
and tendencies that are associated with that group.
And first and foremost, a lust murderer is a man.
The way you describe this crime,
did she describe this crime the way
somebody guilty of murder would describe it?
Uh, no.
When I read the email that you sent to the show,
asking for Dr. Phil's assistance,
you described your sisters death as brutally murdered,
and usually,
a criminal will use minimization in their verbiage.
In other words, the real murderer might have said that
Reesa was stabbed with a knife and died.
And 18 times and a broken off blade,
we're talking rage here.
Rage, rage.