I’M NOT GOING TO REPEAT THAT WE JUST PLAYED ON THIS SHOW.
I DON’T -- THAT’S NOT
RESPONSIBLE.
RESPONSIBLE. >> WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT SAYING HE COULD CHANGE
THE CONSTITUTION.
THE CONSTITUTION. >> THAT’S WHO THEY’RE ECHOING.
>> WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
>> HERE IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT
TOLD AXIOS JIM VAN DEHEI LAST
NIGHT.
NIGHT. TAKE A LOOK.
>> ON IMMIGRATION, SOME LEGAL
SCHOLARS BELIEVE YOU CAN GET RID
OF THEIR RIGHTS TO CITIZENSHIP
WITHOUT CHANGING THE
CONSTITUTION.
CONSTITUTION. >> WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?
>> YES.
>> YES. >> TELL ME MORE.
>> IT WAS ALWAYS TOLD TO ME THAT
YOU NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL
AMENDMENT.
AMENDMENT. GUESS WHAT?
GUESS WHAT? YOU DON’T.
YOU DON’T. >> THAT’S IN DISPUTE.
>> YOU CAN DO IT WITH AN ACT OF
CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. BUT NOW THEY’RE SAYING I CAN DO
IT JUST WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
HOW RIDICULOUS -- WE’RE THE ONLY
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE A
PERSON COMES IN WITH, HAS A BABY
AND THE BABY IS ESSENTIALLY A
CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES FOR
85 YEARS WITH ALL OF THOSE
BENEFITS.
BENEFITS. IT’S RIDICULOUS AND IT HAS TO
END.
END. >> HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT
WITH COUNSEL?
WITH COUNSEL? >> YEAH, I HAVE.
>> SO WHERE IN THE PROCESS --
>> IT’S IN THE PROCESS.
IT WILL HAPPEN.
WITH AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE TALKING
ABOUT.
ABOUT. THAT’S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
I DIDN’T THINK ANYBODY KNEW THAT
BUT ME.
BUT ME. I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> MR. PRESIDENT, I KNOW THAT
SOMETIMES YOUR MEMORY IS A
LITTLE -- YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS
BEFORE.
BEFORE. I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS IN
2017.
2017. I’M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT YEAR.
BUT MIKA, YOU CAN’T CHANGE THE
CONSTITUTION WITH AN EXECUTIVE
ORDER.
ORDER. THE PRESIDENT SAYS THE
CONSTITUTION IS RIDICULOUS.
WELL, IT’S BEEN AROUND FOR A
COUPLE COUPLEHUNDRED YEARS AND I
DONE ALREADY.
DONE ALREADY. >> SO JIM VAN DEHEI, AS WE WATCH
THIS LAST RACE TO THE FINISH
LINE WITH RACISM SIRENS RINGING
LOUDLY, DID YOU SEE WHEN YOU AND
JONATHAN SWAN WERE TALKING TO
THE PRESIDENT?
THE PRESIDENT? IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE -- AND I
WONDER IF YOU WOULD CONCUR --
THAT HE WAS MAKING STUFF UP AS
HE WENT ALONG.
I DON’T THINK HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IF
HE DID, HE WOULD UNDERSTAND YOU
DON’T DO THAT.
>> I THINK IT’S THE OPPOSITE.
I THINK HE’S BEEN THINKING ABOUT
THIS FOR THE SEVERAL WEEKS.
HE’S BEEN TALKING TO LAWYERS
EXTERNALLY AND INTERNALLY.
I THINK EVEN THE STUFF HE SEES
ON FOX NEWS, I THINK HE BELIEVES
THIS.
THIS. I THINK THERE’S PARTS OF IT THAT
ARE NO DOUBT PROPAGANDA.
I THINK THERE’S PARTS OF IT THAT
HE THINKS IS HAPPENING.
THE INTERVIEW WAS FASCINATING.
IT WILL BE ON SUNDAY.
BUT IT TURNED INTO A VERY, VERY
TENSE ARGUMENT ABOUT A LOT OF
THINGS HE’S SAYING AND DOING AND
THE GUY JUST BELIEVES IT.
LIKE YES, PART OF IT IS FOR
SHOW, BUT PART OF IT, YOU CAN
SEE IT IN HIS EYES, THIS IS HIS
HEART.
HEART. HE DOES NOT FEEL LIKE HE HAS AN
OBLIGATION TO BRING ANYTHING
DOWN, ANY TEMPERATURE DOWN.
HE FEELS VERY PASSIONATELY ABOUT
THESE THINGS THAT HE’S DOING AND
IT LOOKS LIKE HE’LL TRY TO
PROCEED WITH THIS.
MOST LAWYERS THAT WE TALKED TO
DON’T THINK YOU CAN DO THIS.
THERE IS THE 14th AMENDMENT THAT
SAYS IF YOU ARE BORN ON U.S.
SOIL THAT YOU ARE A CITIZEN OF
THE UNITED STATES.
YOU ABOUT, AGAIN, LIKE ON
IMMIGRATION, THIS IS ONE OF THE
TOPICS HE HAS BEEN FAIRLEY
CONSISTENT ON AND HE’S CERTAINLY
GETTING I THINK A HARDER EDGE ON
IT AS YOU GET NEAR THE ELECTION.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THE FOX
VIEWERS, THEY BELIEVE IT.
THEY THINK THERE’SES THIS
THREAT.
THREAT. SHEPP SMITH PUT IT BEAUTIFULLY.
THEY’RE MONTHS AWAY.
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE 5200 PEOPLE
OR 500,000 PEOPLE BACKING THE
BORDER HE.
BORDER HE. WE HAVE A PRETTY SECURE
SOUTHERNER BORDER FOR ALL THIS
NONSENSE THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD
MORE AND THIS AND THIS, IT’S A
PRETTY FORTIFIED BORDER.
SURE, THERE’S PEOPLE THAT
OCCASIONALLY GET THROUGH, BUT
NOW YOU’LL HAVE THREE LINES OF
DEFENSE FOR A COUPLE OF MEN, A
COUPLE OF WOMEN AND A COUPLE OF
PICKUP TRUCKS.
PICKUP TRUCKS. >> WILLIE, WHAT HAVE WE BEEN
SAYING FOR TWO YEARS?
THIS ENTIRE THING IS A FARCE.
THERE HAS BEEN A NET IMMIGRATION
FLOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
>> YEAH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
IT TICKED UP LAST YEAR UNDER
PRESIDENT TRUMP, IRONICALLY.
SO NOW HE CAN SAY IT’S GONE UP
LAST YEAR, WELL, IT WAS UNDER
HIS ADMINISTRATION.
HIS ADMINISTRATION. IF YOU LISTEN TO WHAT THE
PRESIDENT SAID ABOUT GETTING RID
OF BIRTH RIGHT CITIZENSHIP, THIS
HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY EVER INTRODUCED LEGISLATION
SEVERAL TIMES TO GET RID OF
THIS.
THIS. BUT PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER, WHAT
THE PRESIDENT IS DOING RIGHT
NOW, FLOATING THE IDEA OF
GETTING RID OF BIRTH RIGHT
CITIZENSHIP AND SENDING 5,200
TROOPS TO THE BORDER.
>> THERE IS NOTHING RANDOM ABOUT
THIS.
THIS. IT ALL FITS.
FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFETIME, FOR
MINE, FOR EVERYONE ON THE SET
THIS MORNING, THE PRINCIPAL
DEBATE IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED
STATES WAS ABOUT THE ROLE OF
GOVERNMENT AND THE ECONOMY.
HOW MUCH MARKET VERSUS HOW MUCH
STATE.
STATE. WHAT WE’RE NOW SEEING IS A
ROTATION POLITICALLY.
ROTATION POLITICALLY. THAT IS NO LONGER THE PRINCIPAL
DEBATE.
DEBATE. THE PRINCIPAL DEBATE IN EUROPE
AND THE UNITED STATES, THE REAL
FAULT LINE THAT GETS PEOPLE
GOING IS THIS ISSUE OF OPENNESS,
HOW OPEN ARE WE TO PEOPLE, HOW
OPEN ARE WE TO TRADE?
AND IT’S THIS ISSUE OF NATIONAL
IDENTITY VERSUS
IDENTITY VERSUS INTERNATIONALISM, GLOBALISM, IF
YOU WILL.
YOU WILL. SO WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS DOING IS
HE IS MINING THAT FAULT LINE.
HE IS WORKING IT, WHETHER IT’S
BIRTH RIGHT CITIZENSHIP, WHETHER
IT’S SENDING TROOPS TO A BORDER
THAT’S NOT UNDER SIEGE, BUT IT
SWUNG THE VOTE IN BREXIT.
THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED.
IT SWUNG THE VOTE ACROSS EUROPE
AND IT HAS A POWERFUL,
GALVANIZING EFFECT HERE.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL POLITICAL
ANGE, A REAL TRANSFORMATION.
IN THE DEMOCRATIC WORLD.
AND WE’RE NO LONGER ARGUING
SERIOUS ISSUES ABOUT HOW TO
REGULATE OUR ECONOMIES, WE’RE NO
LONGER ARGUING SERIOUS ISSUES
SAY ABOUT HOW TO FIGHT THE COLD
WAR.
WAR. WE ARE ARGUING QUESTIONS ABOUT
NATIONAL IDENTITY AND IT’S NOT
THAT FAR TO GET FROM THAT TO
ISSUES OF RACISM AND EVERYTHING
WE’RE SEEING NOW IN WESTERN
SOCIETIES.
SOCIETIES. >> AND JOE, AGAIN, DO YOU WANT
5200 PEOPLE AT THE BORDER AND
GET RID OF CITIZENSHIP OR DO YOU
WANT SMALL POX AND RAPISTS
FLOODING IN.
FLOODING IN. >> THIS IS INCREDIBLE.
>> WE’VE BEEN SAYING IT NONSTOP.
IF PEOPLE DON’T HAVE A GOOGLE
MACHINE IN THEIR HOUSE, THEY CAN
GO NEXT DOOR AND CHECK
EVERYTHING HE SAYS HERE.
USE THE PRESIDENT’S OWN
GOVERNMENT STATISTICS.
GOVERNMENT STATISTICS. YOU WILL FIND 3.1% OF THE PEOPLE
THAT CAME IN LAST NIGHT, THE
NUMBERS ARE SO SMALL AND, AGAIN,
THE CARA VAN IN APRIL, 12, 13,
14 PEOPLE ARRESTED BY THE END.
IT IS RIDICULOUS.
LET’S FOLLOW UP IN A MINUTE ON
WHAT RICHARD HAAS JUST SAID.
ANGELA MERKEL SAYING SHE’S NOT
GOING TO RUN FOR RE-ELECTION,
ALSO, OF COURSE, DAVID DUKE AND
A LOT OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS, A
LOT OF WHITE NATIONALISTS
PRAISING DONALD TRUMP FOR HIS
LANGUAGE.
LANGUAGE. WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
PITTSBURGH, GOING TO BE TALKING