AINSLEY: 100 HOURS OF
TESTIMONY, 17 WITNESSES.
STEVE: SOMEBODY WHO WATCH IT
ALL WE PAY THEM TO WATCH,
JASON CHAFFETZ.
FORMER CONGRESSMAN CHAIRMAN
AND HOUSE OVERSIGHT
COMMITTEE, HE JOINS US NOW.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF GRIFF'S
REPORT THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE
TWO ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT
WILL BE UNVEILED LATER TODAY
BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE HEARD
SO FAR?
>> ISN'T THAT STUNNING THAT
HERE WE ARE ON THIS TUESDAY
MORNING?
WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT
THE IMPEACHMENT IS GOING TO
BE.
BUT THEY ARE GOING TO
SUPPOSEDLY BY THE END OF THE
WEEK START MARKING IT UP?
AND YESTERDAY WHAT A
DEBACLE.
WHEN YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS AND STAFF ASKING
STAFF QUESTIONS.
BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW, I'M
GOING TO WRITE YOUR
PERFORMANCE REVIEW.
LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION
ABOUT YOUR IMPRESSION ON
IMPEACHMENT.
COME ON.
THAT DOESN'T PASS EVEN --
YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT IN 3RD
GRADE AND THIS IS THE UNITED
STATES CONGRESS RUN BY JERRY
NADLER AND NANCY PELOSI?
WHAT A JOKE.
STEVE: THAT'S ONE OF THE
REASONS PEOPLE HATE
WASHINGTON.
WHEN YOU SAW THE GUY WAS A
WITNESS AT ONE POINT AND
NEXT THING YOU KNOW AND
APPARENTLY IT WAS REVEALED
LATER THAT HE WAS A DONOR AS
WELL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY
HAVE GOT TO DO.
THEY HAVE GOT TO ATTRACT THE
MODERATE DEMOCRATS TO BE
FAVORABLE TO VOTING FOR
OBSTRUCTION.
AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CAN THEY DO IT?
>> WELL, I THINK THEIR POLL
NUMBERS ARE SUBSIDING.
THEY ARE IN DECLINE.
THE NANCY PELOSI THAT I SAW
CLOSE AND PERSONAL FOR 8 AND
A HALF YEARS SHE ISN'T DOING
ANYTHING WITHOUT A POLSTER
AND FOCUS GROUP.
I THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE
COMING DOWN SO FAST.
I THINK CONGRESSMAN COLLINS
WAS SPOT ON.
IT'S ABOUT SPEED AND IT'S
ABOUT GETTING THROUGH THE
CALENDAR AS FAST AS
POSSIBLE.
I THINK IT'S JUST A
DISTRACTION.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THE
USMCA.
BRIAN: TUESDAY IN MEXICO
CITY, BIG GUY.
STEVE: BIG GUY?
BRIAN: HE'S TALL.
>> I THINK CONGRESSMAN GAETZ
ASKED.
SO BEST QUESTIONS AND MADE
THE BEST POINTS ABOUT THE
OPPORTUNITY COST OF WHAT
THEY ARE DOING INSTEAD OF
THIS CHARADE TRYING TO
IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT.
AINSLEY: FIRST SAID BRIBERY
AND QUID PRO QUO BECAUSE OF
A FOCUS GROUP WHO SAID
THAT'S NOT RESONATING GO
WITH BRIBERY.
THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE
CHARGES.
WATCH THIS FLASHBACK OF THEM
ACCUSING THE PRESIDENT OF
BRIBERY.
>> THE DEVASTATING TESTIMONY
CORROBORATED EVIDENCE OF
BRIBERY.
>> IT GOES RIGHT TO THE
HEART OF THE ISSUE OF
BRIBERY.
>> THIS IS A VERY STRONG
CASE OF BRIBERY.
>> IT'S BRIBERY.
>> YOU CAN CALL THIS
EXTORTION, CALL IT BRIBERY.
IT'S ALL THE SAME THING.
>> MIGHT EVEN BE BRIBERY.
>> BRIBERY.
>> IT'S BRIBERY.
BRIAN: SO IT'S NOT
SUPPOSEDLY IN THE FIRST TWO
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT
OBSTRUCTION OF CONSCIOUS AND
ABUSE OF POWER.
NO BRIBERY.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
WE STILL DON'T KNOW
DEFINITIVELY, WAIT FOR THE
PRESS CONFERENCE AND HAVE
NANCY PELOSI, YOU KNOW, PUT
HER FINGER TO THE WIND YEAH
SMELLS LIKE THIS TODAY.
AINSLEY: DO THEY HAVE A CASE
OF OBSTRUCTIONS OF CONGRESS
BECAUSE THEY'RE MAD AT HIM
FOR BLOCKING TESTIFYING IN
THE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS
AND PRERNSD THE UKRAINE
PRESIDENT.
>> THE PRESIDENT PUT OUT THE
TRANSCRIPT.
YOU CAN READ IT FOR
YOURSELF.
I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
AS IT RELATES -- I THINK
ATTORNEY TURLEY, PROFESSOR
TURLEY PUT THAT OUT THERE
VERY CLEARLY.
JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GO
TO THE COURTS, YOU DISAGREE
WITH A SUBPOENA BEING
ISSUED, DOES NOT MEAN THAT
YOU ARE OBSTRUCTING
CONGRESS.
I SAT THERE FOR 8 NAVARRO
YEARS.
I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE
OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE FOR TWO
AND A HALF YEARS.
I HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
OBSTRUCTED US EVERY SINGLE
DAY IN TERMS OF WITNESSES
AND DOCUMENTS IT.
IS A DAILY OCCURRENCE AND IT
HAPPENED IN DEMOCRATIC
ADMINISTRATIONS AS WELL.
AND IT'S A JOKE.
IT'S NOT EVIDENCE THERE.
BRIAN: REAL QUICK.
I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON A
THEORY OUT THERE THAT NANCY
PELOSI, BEING THAT SHE IS A
POLITICAL CHESS PLAYER,
MIGHT SAY I AM GOING TO WAIT
ON ACTUALLY PUSHING THIS
FORWARD UNTIL I GET A COURT
TO DECIDE WHETHER MULVANEY,
POMPEO AND OTHERS AND BOLTON
ARE FORCED TO TESTIFY?
DO YOU THINK -- DO YOU SEE
THAT HAPPENING?
>> I DON'T THINK -- IT'S
QUESTIONABLE AS TO WHETHER
OR NOT THEY CAN WIN THIS
VOTE.
THEY HAVE PUSHED THIS DOWN
INTO A CUL-DE-SAC WHERE
THERE IS ALMOST A POINT
NOTIFY RETURN.
MAYBE THE COURTS IS A WAY
SHE CAN GET OUT OF THIS.
CAN I SEE THAT SCENARIO.
AINSLEY: READING THE IG
REPORT YESTERDAY, IT IS
UNBELIEVABLE THERE WERE 17
INACCURACIES OR OMISSIONS
WHEN THEY PRESENTED THEIR
CASE TO THE FISA COURT.
STEVE: CONVENIENT.
AINSLEY: THEY NEVER TOLD THE
FISA COURT JUDGES WHO PAID
FOR THE DOSSIER.
THAT WAS HILLARY CLINTON'S
CAMPAIGN AND THE D.C.
THEY NEVER TOLD THE FISA
COURT THAT STEELE HAD LIED
IN THE PAST AND HAD, QUOTE,
POOR JUDGMENT.
THEY NEVER TOLD STEELE'S
PRIMARY SOURCE WAS A BOASTER
KNOWN TO EMBELLISH AND LATER
CAST DOUBT ON THE DOSSIER.
NEVER TOLD JUDGES THAT
STEELE WAS A DISPIRIT TRUMP
NEVER GET ELECTED.
FBI LAWYER DOCTORED EVIDENCE
TO CREATE A FALSE NEGATIVE
IMPRESSION OF CARTER PAGE.
THESE FACTS WERE THEY
MEMBERSHIPPED TO MISLEAD THE
COURT?
BRIAN: ADD ONE MORE THING
CARTER PAGE, THEY NEVER SAID
CARTER PAGE WAS WORKING FOR
THE CIA.
>> SOMEBODY WHO READ
INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORTS
FOR A LIVING FOR 8-PLUS
YEAR.
AINSLEY: GOD BLESS YOU.
>> THIS IS AS AS IT GETS.
OVER 1,000 PAGES DETAILING
THE UPPER ECHELON OF THE FBI
FOR THEIR PERSONAL PURPOSES.
THE WRONG PURPOSES
EXCORIATING.
IT WAS ABSOLUTELY
DEVASTATING.
AINSLEY: JUDGES USUALLY SIGN
OFF BECAUSE THEY TRUST THEIR
SOURCE, THE FBI AGENTS.
>> I THINK THIS IS WHAT IS
INFURIATING.
WE HAVEN'T SEEP JUSTICE.
NOW THE INSPECTOR GENERAL
HAS MADE AT LEAST 9
REFERRALS TO THE DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE.
BUT I WAS VERY BUOYED UP AND
EXCITED TO SEE ATTORNEY
GENERAL BARR GIVE HIS TAKE
ON IT.
BUT, ALSO, THE PROSECUTOR,
MR. DURHAM, INDICATE THAT,
HEY, THERE IS A WHOLE LOT
MORE HERE TO COME.
IS THE ONE THAT CAN ACTUALLY
PUT HANDCUFFS ON SOMEBODY
AND PROSECUTE SOMEBODY.
BUT I LOOK FORWARD TOMORROW
TO HEAR FROM HOROWITZ ABOUT
HOW BAD IT WAS AT THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND
THE FBI HOW THEY
MEMBERSHIPPED THIS DATA.
IT WAS SO BAD.
STEVE: CHRIS WRAY, THE
DIRECTOR OF THE FBI DID SAY
YESTERDAY YEAH WE ACCEPT THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE IG
AND WE WILL MAKE CHANGES.
YOU MENTIONED JOHN DURHAM,
THE U.S. ATTORNEY FROM
CONNECTICUT WHO IS LOOKING
INTO ALL OF THIS STUFF, HE
DISAGREES WITH THE FINDINGS
AND SAYS WHILE OUR
INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING
LAST MONTH WE ADVISED THE
INSPECTOR GENERAL WE DO NOT
AGREE WITH THE REPORT'S
CONCLUSIONS PREDICATION AND
HOW THE FBI CASE WAS OPEN.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE THEY
BASE SO MUCH OF THE FISA
APPLICATION ON THE STEELE
DOSSIER WHICH THEY FOUND OUT
LATER WAS JUST A BUNCH OF
MADE UP STUFF.
ONCE THEY REALIZED IT THEY
NEVER SAID, BY THE WAY,
JUDGE, THAT'S A BUNCH OF
MADE-UP STUFF.
>> ALSO INDICATION THIS MAY
EXPAND MUCH FURTHER THAN
JUST THE FBI.
BECAUSE DURHAM CAN BE
LOOKING AT THE CIA AND
OTHERS.
THE OTHER THING THAT JUST
MADE ME NUTS ABOUT THIS
THING IS THE IDEA THAT THEY
DID NOT GIVE DEFENSE
BRIEFINGS TO DONALD TRUMP
THE CANDIDATE AND TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
THEY KEPT THAT INFORMATION
FROM HIM.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
PROTECTING THAT PERSON.
WE GIVE THEM SECRET SERVICE.
WE GIVE THEM CIA BRIEFINGS.
THE IDEA THAT HE DID NOT SO
WRONG.
STEVE: THEY SAID THERE WAS
NO POLITICAL BIAS.
THEY COULDN'T GET ANYBODY TO
ADMIT TO.
>> WELL, LOOK.
WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF TEXTS.
YOU CAN READ IT IN THEIR OWN
WORDS.
THE ONE THING THAT I
DISAGREE WITH HOROWITZ AND I
LOOK AT IT IS HOW COULD
THERE NOT BE POLITICAL BIAS?
WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME
SOMETHING TURNS IT'S ALWAYS
AGAINST DONALD TRUMP?
IT NEVER GOES IN HIS FAVOR.
BRIAN: A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THEY SAY THAT AFTER THOSE
EMAILS WERE HACKED AND
RELEASED BY JOHN PODESTA
COUPLE DAYS LATER AMBASSADOR
SHOWS UP I HEARD THIS FROM
THIS GUY IN THE SPRING FROM
GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS ABOUT
THE EMAILS AND RUSSIA AND
THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND THAT
HELPS LAUNCH THIS WHOLE
INVESTIGATION.
AND THE I 4 PEOPLE FLYNN,
PAPADOPOULOS, MANAFORT AND
CARTER PAGE.
AT THAT TIME THIS IS THE KEY
MOMENT.
BILL PRESTEP SAYS I DON'T
THINK I SHOULD GIVE A
DEFENSIVE BRIEFING BECAUSE I
DON'T WANT TO TIP OFF A
POTENTIAL RUSSIAN
INFILTRATION.
NOW, IF YOU ARE BILL PRESTEP
AND YOU HAVE CHRIS CHRISTIE
AND RUDY GIULIANI ON THE
ROSTER FOR DONALD TRUMP.
TWO PEOPLE WITH IMPECCABLE
REPUTATIONS WITH THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, WHY
WOULDN'T YOU CALL THEM IN
AND SAY THIS IS THE DEAL?
THEN YOU CALL IN THE
CANDIDATE TRUMP, AND THIS
WHOLE THING COULD HAVE
STOPPED IN JULY.
IT SEEMS TO ME, EVEN THOUGH
I HAVE NEVER CONDUCTED AN
INVESTIGATION LIKE THIS,
THIS IS BASIC HUMAN LOGIC.
>> THEY SHOULD HAVE GONE TO
DONALD TRUMP ONE-ON-ONE AND
EXPLAINED THE SITUATION.
HE IS THE CANDIDATE.
WE PROTECT THAT PERSON.
I THINK DONALD TRUMP WOULD
HAVE LOOKED AT HIM AND SAY I
DON'T KNOW WHO GEORGE
PAPADOPOULOS IS, I DON'T
KNOW WHO CARTER PAGE IS I
DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
GET THEM THE HELL OUT OF
HERE.
I THINK THAT COULD HAVE
SOLVED A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
THEY DID THAT FOR DIANNE
FEINSTEIN WHEN THEY HAD A
CHINESE NATIONAL SITTING
NEXT TO HER AND TREATED
HILLARY CLINTON TOTALLY
DIFFERENT.
I THINK THEY HAD IT IN MORE
DONALD TRUMP AND THEY WANTED
TO GO AFTER HIM EVEN AFTER
HE WAS SWORN IN.
BRIAN: I THINK THEY BELIEVE
THAT DONALD TRUMP AND RUSSIA
WERE COLLUDING AND THEY ARE
REFUSING TO SAY THAT.
BECAUSE TO SAY PAPADOPOULOS
WHO DONALD TRUMP MET ONCE,
CARTER PAGE WHO HE NEVER
MET, MICHAEL FLYNN WHO HAS
THIS INCREDIBLE RECORD WHO
RIPS RUSSIA IN HIS BOOK
NEVER WOULD SEE -- THIS GUY
JUST GAVE HIS COUNTRY THE
BEST YEARS OF HIS LIFE, 31
YEARS, TO THINK THAT HE IS
GOING TO BE A RUSSIAN AGENT
AND THEN PAUL MANAFORT GOT
FIRED THE DAY THE UKRAINIAN
STORY WAS IN THE "NEW YORK
TIMES."
HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN RID OF
HIM.
THIS WHOLE THING WOULD HAVE
BEEN DONE AND WE WOULD HAVE
HAD NO PROBLEMS.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID EVERY
SINGLE TIME THEY HAVE THESE
OPPORTUNITIES, THEY WENT
OUTSIDE THEIR NORMAL
PROTOCOL.
THEY DID NOT ACT THE WAY
THEY SHOULD.
AND NOW AFTER 1,000 PAGES OF
REPORTS FROM THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL, IT'S TIME FOR
DURHAM AND BARR TO ACTUALLY
CHARGE SOME PEOPLE.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GO IN AND
MEMBERSHIP EMAILS AND
PRESENT THAT TO THE COURT
AND THAT'S THE OTHER PART.
WHERE IS THE COURT AT THIS
POINT?
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER
COURT IN THE LAND WHERE CAN
YOU LIE TO THEM AND
MEMBERSHIP THEM, MAKING 17
SERIOUS ERRORS AND OMISSIONS
AND NOT HAVE SOME
REPERCUSSION.
THE COURT NEEDS TO STAND UP
FOR ITS COURT AS WELL.
STEVE: LINDZ IS I GRAHAM
SAID LAST NIGHT THIS IS HOW
J. EDGAR HOOVER USED TO