I just talked to Julia.
She says that the towel that you used to drape her
was sitting in a ball on the floor
and that you were so close with your hands,
that you were touching her (bleep).
Are you saying that didn't happen?
There was still a boundary.
I did not touch her genital area,
but upper inner thighs are in the scope of practice
of massage therapy.
Okay, so well, you know, thank you for that candor.
And she said that you were breathing heavily
and making groaning sounds
and that you complimented her feet.
Did you compliment her feet?
Yes.
Yeah, and I thank you for acknowledging that.
She said that you put her feet on your face.
It wasn't my face,
but I remember my chin had touched the bottom of her foot
as I flexed her knee and massaged her calf with either arm.
And depending on the height
and the position of the table and the client,
it's possible that can happen briefly.
So your face did touch her feet?
My chin.
Well, that's your face.
Yes.
It's part of my face, your chin.
So your face did touch her feet.
Yes. So there is truth in that.
And she said that there were things
that just really crossed the line
in terms of you rubbing against her
and your genitals touching her body.
I don't know how you work around the table or whatever.
Is that possible that that happened?
Absolutely not.
My genitals did not come in any contact with her.
I wasn't even exposed, nor did she even claim to say-
I didn't ask if you were exposed
I'm just saying is it possible
that there was even a contact, any friction,
any rubbing against?
There is no possibility that my private parts
came in contact with her body,
not even accidentally, not even for a split second.
Yeah. And how do you know that with such certainty?
You said you've given over 1000 massages during the year.
How do you know that at no time during that year
did you ever accidentally brush up against someone?
I would certainly remember if my private parts
came in contact with someone.
I would have to have my zipper unzipped.
I would have to have my button unbuttoned.
I'd have to pull down my shorts,
which I never did any of those things,
and those things I would definitely remember.
Well, I didn't say that you exposed them.
I just said that there was contact.
Well, I'd have to be exposed.
The body part would have to be exposed
to be in contact, right?
That's the first step.
No, I'm just saying if you, clothed-wise,
that you could brush up against.
Is that possible? I understand.
I suppose anything's possible,
but I don't think that was her accusation.
I thought her accusation was that I was bare and-
I'm not asking about the accusation.
I'm just asking you if that's possible
that that could happen working in close proximity.
It's possible that could happen with someone
if you're in close proximity.
A therapist could, clothed.
All right.
So you said it was a 60-minute Swedish massage,
and she said it was this 90-minute hot stone massage.
Yes. Swedish is still incorporated
in the hot stone session.
So was it a 60-minute Swedish
or a 90-minute hot stone?
It was either 60 or 90 or she may have either-
I can't remember if she extended from 60 to 90.
60 and 90 are my most frequent ones.
It was over a year ago.
So that specific length of time, I can't remember.
Yeah, well, the reason I'm asking you
is 'cause she says you put your genital on top of the stone.
Oh, so I didn't put my genital directly on her,
but it was on top of the stone.
I'm just asking you- See, that's new to me.
That's not what I heard the allegation was.
See, that's really new to me.
I've not had anyone tell me:
Department of Health, cop, her Facebook posts,
none of them are saying
that I put my private part on a stone.
You know who Leah is, correct?
Yes.
Leah tells a similar story.
She says that she felt your genitals on her body.
She's absolutely incorrect.
I remember that one, every little split second of her
'cause it was more recent.
She's absolutely incorrect.
I tried clearing this up with her as it happened
and even after she left through text and email.
I did my best to try to clear this up. She's very mistaken.
I know how the misunderstanding happened.
Yeah, she says that you have tried to clear it up
because she says that you have harassed her
with countless emails from fake lawyers
threatening legal action
because "I called him out on Google."
Did you send her fake lawyer messages?
I can't remember in the email if I used the term
that "I was a lawyer,"
but I did send multiple emails
asking her to remove the review.