>> IF THE DEMOCRATS WOULD SIT
DOWN INSTEAD OF OBSTRUCTING, WE
COULD HAVE SOMETHING DONE VERY
QUICKLY, GOOD FOR THE CHILDREN,
GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.
WE'RE STUCK WITH THESE HORRIBLE
LAWS.
THEY'RE HORRIBLE LAWS.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS SO SAD, IS
SO SAD.
AND IT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF
HAVE SAFETY.
TRISH: SO FIX THE LAWS, RIGHT?
PRESIDENT TRUMP DEFENDING HIS
ADMINISTRATION'S IMMIGRATION
LAWS TODAY, BLAMING THE
DEMOCRATS THERE FOR SEPARATING
FAMILIES AT THE BORDER.
FOR MORE ON THIS CONTENTIOUS
ISSUE, I WANT TO BRING IN MY
PANEL.
DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST RICHARD
GOODSTEIN, FOUNDER OF FLAG, DID
I GET THAT RIGHT, NICK?
>> ABSOLUTELY, TRISH REGAN.
TRISH: WHAT IS FLAG?
>> THE FOUNDATION FOR LIBERTY
AND AMERICAN GREATNESS.
>> I KNOW YOU HAVE A BOOK OUT.
YOU EMIGRATED HERE YOURSELF.
IT WAS QUITE A HEADACHE BUT YOU
MANAGESSED TO DO THIS.
FIRST YOUR THOUGHTS AS IT IS
PLAYED OUT ACROSS EVERYONE'S
TELEVISION SCREEN, YOU SEE,
BOMBARDED AS A VIEWER WITH THESE
IMAGES AS FAMILIES BEING TORN
APART AND IT IS HARD TO SEE,
HARD TO TAKE, BUT THE
ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING THESE
ARE THE LAWS, WE'RE ENFORCING
THE LAWS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE
THESE LAWS, AND HE INDICATED
THERE THAT HE DIDN'T, HE DOESN'T
LIKE SEEING CHILDREN GET
SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS
LIKE THIS, FIX THEM.
YOUR THOUGHTS, NICK?
>> TRISH, IT IS HEART-BREAKING
TO WATCH.
IT IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO WATCH.
IT IS TRULY SAID BUT YOU KNOW,
IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO THIS.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SET
RATED FROM YOUR FAMILY WHILE
CROSSING OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY,
DON'T CROSS OUR BORDER
ILLEGALLY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT IS
WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
WITHOUT BORDERS WE AREN'T A
COUNTRY.
YOU SAID THAT BEFORE.
I HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES.
WE REALLY NEED A, AN ORDER OF
TOUGH LOVE.
THE PRESIDENT EARLIER THIS YEAR
CALLED FOR A BILL OF LOVE WHEN
IT CAME TO IMMIGRATION.
I THINK THE CORRECT BILL IS A
BILL OF TOUGH LOVE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE
NO EXCEPTIONS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS
HEARTLESS AS IT MAY BE, AS
HEARTLESS AS IT MAY FEEL, AS
HEART WRETCHING AS IT IS TO SEE
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK
AFTER AMERICANS AND AMERICANS
FIRST.
NO ONE, TRISH, IS TALKING ABOUT
THE CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN
PERMANENTLY SEPARATED FROM THEIR
MOM AND DAD BECAUSE OF CRIMINAL
ILLEGAL ALIENS.
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE KATE
STEINLE'S FATHER WHO HAS TO LIVE
EVERY DAY WITHOUT HIS DAUGHTER
BECAUSE OF CRIMINAL ILLEGAL
ALIENS.
TRISH: RICHARD, I THINK THAT
THE, WILL, YOU'RE GOING TO
DEFEND THE LEFT IN THIS CASE BUT
THE LEFT IS DELIBERATELY TRYING
TO SORT OF TWEAK PEOPLE'S
EMOTIONS HERE SO THEY FORGET
ABOUT THE LAW, SO THEY FOR GET,
OKAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE BORDERS
AND THERE IS CONSEQUENCES IF
CROSS IS BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU
BECOME A CRIMINAL IN THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAND FOR
THAT.
ARE WE TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE
TO COUNTRIES LIKE HONDURAS, TO
GAUT -- GUATEMALA, MEXICO
SENDING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
HERE, FRANKLY ONLY A FRACTION
WIND UP BEING DETAINED?
>> COUPLE POINTS, TRISH, WE'RE
EMPATH THICK WHAT WE SEE.
I WANT TO SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY
AS POSSIBLE, WHEN THE PRESIDENT
SAYS THIS IS DEMOCRATIC DOING.
THAT IS DELUSIONAL.
THE REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE
HOUSE AND SENATE AND EXECUTIVE
BRANCH.
HE COULD MAKE A PHONE CALL AND
STOP THESE LITTLE KIDS, DID I
HEAR SOMEBODY WHEN YOU CROSS THE
BORDER ILLEGALLY WHAT DO YOU
EXPECT?
IS THAT WHAT YOUR MESSAGE IS TO
A 2-YEAR-OLD, TO A 6-MONTH-OLD.
ARE YOU SAYING TO THEM WHEN THEY
CROSS A BORDER -- HOLD ON A
SECOND.
THE, LOOK THE FACT OF THE MATTER
IS, THIS IS NOT THE LEFT.
BEN SASSE IS NOT ON THE LEFT.
LAURA BUSH, WHO CALLED IT
IMMORAL AND CRUEL IS NOT ON THE
LEFT.
LINDSEY GRAHAM AND SUSAN COLLINS
AND, GO DOWN THE LIST OF
REPUBLICANS WHO ARE ASHAMED TO
BE IN A PARTY WHOSE
ADMINISTRATION ISN'T MAKING THIS
THE LAW IN A WITH WAY THAT NO
PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, REPUBLICAN
OR DEMOCRAT CHOSE TO DO WHEN THE
LAW WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN IT IS
TODAY.
>> THAT IS NOT TRUE.
>> IT IS TRUE.
TRISH: NICK?
>> THAT IS NOT TRUE, RICHARD IN
1996 PRESIDENT CLINTON
INTRODUCED THESE LAWS.
THEY WERE ENFORCED DURING THE
GEORGE W. BUSH AND OBAMA
ADMINISTRATIONS.
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM FIRST LADY
LAURA BUSH THEN.
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE LEFT
THEN.
ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING LAST
EIGHT YEARS FROM THE VERY LEAST.
WE NEVER HEARD ANY DEMAGOGUERY,
ANY OUTRAGE, ANY OUTCRY FROM THE
LEFT.
NOW BECAUSE IT IS PRESIDENT
TRUMP ALL OF SUDDEN EVERYBODY
HAS THEIR KNICKERS IN A KNOT
EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT.
THIS IS NOT ONLY UNFAIR BUT THE
TRUTH IS, THIS IS DEMOCRATIC LAW
THAT WAS PASSED BY DEMOCRATS.
>> WELL, AGAIN, NICK, THE FACT
OF THE MATTER IS WHAT THE PRIOR
ADMINISTRATIONS, REPUBLICANS AND
ALIKE DID, USE DISCRETION.
THEY USED JUDGMENT, THAT
SEPARATING CHILDREN, SO THAT
PARENTS WERE NOT IN THE NEXT
ROOM HEARING THEIR KIDS CRYING
OUT FOR THEM AND BEING TOTALLY
UNABLE TO GET THEM.
THOSE ADMINISTRATIONS ARE, PRIOR
ADMINISTRATIONS, BOTH PARTIES
CHOSE NOT TO ENFORCE THAT AS
POLICY.
THAT IS ZERO TOLERANCE IS ZERO
MORALITY.
I'M SORRY.
THAT IS WHAT LAURA BUSH SAID.
IN THE ME.
TRISH: NICK.
>> BEFORE YOU BURST A BLOOD
VESSEL, BEFORE YOU BURST A BLOOD
VESSEL --
>> FOR A GOOD REASON.
THESE KIDS ARE HELPLESS.
TRISH: LET HIM FINISH.
>> I TELL YOU WHO NEEDS TO USE
JUDGMENT.
I TELL YOU WHO NEEDS TO USE
DISCRETION.
PARENTS.
WHAT KIND OF PARENTS GO PUT
THEIR CHILDREN --
TRISH: MAYBE THE ANSWER YOU
DON'T COME HERE ILLEGALLY TO
BEGIN WITH.
>> AGREED.
TRISH: OKAY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> TOTALLY AGREE.
TRISH: BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE
THAT PEOPLE AREN'T COMING HERE
ILLEGALLY TO BEGIN WITH?
YOU REFORM ALL OF OUR
IMMIGRATION POLICY RIGHT NOW AND
THAT INCLUDES STRENGTHENING THE
BORDER.
I THINK THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING
TO SAY WE CAN FIX THIS, WE JUST
NEED TO ACTUALLY DO THE RIGHT
THINGS TO FIX IT.
>> REPUBLICANS CONTROL CONGRESS.
THEY CONTROL THE WHITE HOUSE.
TRISH: SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY
HERE.
>> LET THEM PASS A BILL THAT THE
PRESIDENT WILL SIGN.
THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY
REPUBLICANS WHO FRANKLY DON'T
AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT'S
POLICIES.
THEY CERTAINLY DON'T AGREE WITH
SEPARATING THESE LITTLE, LITTLE
KIDS FROM THEIR PARENTS.
THERE IS SHAME.
TRISH: WAIT, WAIT.
WE JUST DECIDED YOU CAN FIX THIS
BY CHANGING THE LAW AND ACTUALLY
HAVING A MORE, STRENGTHFUL,
WRONG WORD THERE, IMMIGRATION
POLICY, RIGHT?
IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A POLICY
THAT'S WORKING THEN MAYBE YOU
DON'T HAVE TO CONFRONT --
>> THERE NEEDS TO BE BORDERS.
OF COURSE THERE NEEDS TO BE
BORDERS.
THERE WAS A NET OW FLOW OF
MEXICANS FROM THE U.S. TO MEXICO
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT IF YOU
WATCHED A LOT OF NEWS PROGRAMS.
TRISH: STATISTICS, PRIMARILY
GUATEMALANS COMING HERE AS WELL
AS PEOPLE FROM HONDURAS.
>> RIGHT.
TRISH: AND YOU'RE RIGHT NOT AS
MANY FROM MEXICO.
BUT LOOKS IT'S A CHALLENGE.
I WOULD JUST POINT OUT, NICK,
ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD,
RIGHT, IF I JUST ILLEGALLY
CROSSED INTO --
>> CAN'T DO IT.
TRISH: RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED.
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
NO, YOU CAN'T.
UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE SOME
OPEN BORDER ADVOCATES LIKE
RICHARD AND HIS FRIENDS WHO
WOULD CHANGE THAT.
THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT.
>> NO, NICK.
SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR
THE LEFT.
I DON'T.
BUT THE FACT I THINK EVERY
DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN AGREES
WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE WILLY-NILLY
CROSSING THE BORDERS, BUT WE
ALSO, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE
HAVE TO BE AS HEARTLESS AS WHAT
WE'RE SEEING ON TV.
TRISH: THEN I THINK THERE IS
OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR EVERYBODY
TO COME TOGETHER AND FIND A