THEY WON'T COOPERATE WITH THE
I.C.E. OFFICIALS?
THERE IT IS.
LIZ: YOU'RE SEEING THE SIGN
RIGHT THERE.
ASHLEY: OH MY GOODNESS, IT SASS
LIZ: SURE.
ASHLEY: GET TO THE STUDENT DEBT
CRISIS.
$1.36 TRILLIONS IN STUDENT DEBT
HANGING OVER THE HEADS OF
BORROWERS.
WHY A GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY
PROFESSOR, THE WORLD WOULD BE
BETTER OFF WITHOUT COLLEGE FOR
EVERYONE.
THAT PROFESSOR, THE CASE AGAINST
EDUCATION.
THE EDUCATION SYSTEM A WASTE OF
TIME AND MONEY.
HE IS BRIAN KAPLAN.
HE JOINS US NOW.
BRIAN, MAKE YOUR CASE.
COLLEGE ISN'T FOR EVERYONE, IS
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BASICALLY.
>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
ONE OF THE MAIN PROBLEMS IS A
LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TROUBLE
FINISHING.
SO IF YOU KNOW FOR SURE YOU'RE
ACTUALLY GOING TO FINISH
COLLEGE, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD
INVESTMENT.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IF YOU
STRUG FELLED THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL
YOUR ODDS OF FINISHING ARE VERY
WANT TO GET ON IN THE WORLD, GET
A DECENT JOB, STARTING SALARIES
WILL BE PRETTY DECENT YOU HAVE
TO HAVE A DEGREE OTHERWISE YOU
JUST CAN'T COMPETE BUT WE FOUND
OUT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH JOBS
FOR PEOPLE IF YOUR SUPER
QUALIFIED.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
LOOK AT JOBS COLLEGE GRADUATES
GET, TEARED TO WHAT THEY WOULD
HAVE GOTTEN 50 YEARS AGO.
WAITER AND BARTENDER ARE COMMON
JOBS FOR COLLEGE GRADUATES TO
GET.
SO THE DEGREE IN NO WAY A
PASSPORT TO A COLLEGE-TYPE JOB.
ASHLEY: SO WHO IS AT FAULT?
IS IT THE COLLEGES SELLING A
BILL OF GOODS THAT IS NOT
EXACTLY TRUTHFUL?
THEY PUT UP THEIR TUITION FEES
TOO MUCH?
>> I WOULD SAY IT IS MORE HIGH
SCHOOL AND PARENTS THAT ARE
REALLY TELLING KIDS THAT ANYONE
CAN DO ANYTHING, WHICH IS SIMPLY
NOT TRUE.
IS MUCH BETTER TELL A KID, BASED
UPON YOUR ACADEMIC RECORD, HERE
IS LIKELY TO HAPPEN, STEER THEM
SOMETHING REALISTIC.
IN MY BOOK I HAVE A CHAPTER ON
VOCATIONAL EDUCATION.
YOU SEE COUNTRIES LIKE GERMANY
AND SWITZERLAND, KIDS IN THE
U.S. WE PUSH TO COLLEGE, MAYBE
YOU'RE BETTER OFF AUTO MECHANIC,
PLUMBER, ELECTRICIAN.
THAT.
THE KINDS OF KIDS PUSHED INTO
THE COLLEGE, FAIL ALONG THE WAY,
GET FRUSTRATED, TURN TO CRIME,
WHATEVER, THEY BECOME SKILLED
CRAFTSMEN.
IT'S A BETTER SYSTEM.
ASHLEY: WE DON'T HAVE THE
VO-TECH SYSTEM IN PLACE.
THE PRESIDENT HAS TALKED ABOUT
HE IS IMPRESSED TO WHAT GERMANY
DOES.
HOW QUICKLY DO WE GET THE SYSTEM
IN PLACE?
IF YOU BECOME A PLUMBER OR
ELECTRICIAN, THEY MAKE GOOD
MONEY AND ONES THEY GET
CERTIFIED, THEY CAN WRITE THEIR
TICKET.
>> TO REPLICATE THE GERMAN OR
SWISS SYSTEM.
VERY BASIC THINGS, STOP PUSHING
COLLEGE FOR ALL.
RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF KIDS
BORED OUT OF THEIR MINDS IN
CLASSROOMS TODAY.
VERY INTERESTED IN ACADEMICS
HEY, THERE ARE OTHER VOCATIONAL
OPTIONS HERE.
WHY DON'T WE TRY THAT?
A WHOLE CHANGE IN ATTITUDE WHAT
IS WORTHWHILE IN DOING.
THE IDEA THAT IT IS TERRIBLE FOR
YET, IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE
LIKE A GOOD MATCH FOR YOU.
BUT FOR YOU IT SEEMS LIKE IT
PROFESSOR, BRIAN.
WHAT KIND OF REACTION HAVE YOU
>> I CONSIDER MYSELF A WHISTLE
BLOW.
NEIL.
TIME A LOT OF NODDING HEADS.
WHEN I GO OUT OF MY BUBBLE AND
TALK TO PEOPLE ELSEWHERE THERE
IS KIND OF HORROR ABOUT THIS HOW
CAN YOU POSSIBLY SAY?
I JUST FEEL LIKE AS INSIDER I
REALLY DO NEED TO SAY, LOOK, WE
ARE TELLING A LOT OF KIDS, THAT
WHEN IT IS NOT, I THINK, WHEN