WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK. >>> ALL RIGHT, 26 PAST THE HOUR,
NOW TO THE MAJOR REVELATIONS
FROM THE HOUSE INTEL COMMITTEE’S
IMPEACHMENT REPORT, PHONE LOGS
ARE CONNECTING KEY PLAYERS IN
THE INVESTIGATION.
THE INVESTIGATION. RUDY GIULIANI, HIS INDICTED
ASSOCIATE LEV PARNAS, AND
REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN DEVIN
NUNES WHOSE NAME WAS MENTIONED
49 TIMES IN THE INTEL REPORT.
ISN’T HE THE ONE ASKING
QUESTIONS ABOUT IT?
IT SEEMS A LITTLE WEIRD.
>> HE’S THE ONE LEADING
QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS. HE IS THE TOP REPUBLICAN.
>> WHAT?
>> WHAT? THAT DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SEEMS LIKE A CONFLICT.
ANYHOW, ALSO UNDER SCRUTINY
GIULIANI’S CONTACTS WITH WHITE
HOUSE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND
BUDGET.
BUDGET. IN A GAME OF PHONE TAG ON APRIL
9th BETWEEN JUDGE AND A
MYSTERIOUS NUMBER FROM THE WHITE
HOUSE, THAT CALL LASTED MORE
THAN EIGHT MINUTES.
AS THE "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTS,
HOUSE INVESTIGATORS SUSPECT THAT
THE NUMBER MAY BELONG TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP IN PART BECAUSE
OF EVIDENCE FROM THE ROGER STONE
TRIAL, WHICH SHOWED STONE WHO
HAD DIRECT ACCESS TO THE
PRESIDENT ALSO RECEIVED A CALL
FROM THE SAME MYSTERIOUS NUMBER.
THE CALL RECORDS SHOW THAT
AROUND THAT TIME, GIULIANI,
NUNES, AND PARNAS WERE IN
FREQUENT CONTACT WITH JOHN
SOLOMON, THEN A COLUMNIST FOR
"THE HILL" WHO PUBLISHED A
SERIES OF OPINION PIECES
CRITICIZING THEN U.S. AMBASSADOR
MARIE YOVANOVITCH.
MARIE YOVANOVITCH. THE DAYS AFTER ONE PARTICULAR
ARTICLE PUBLISHED ON APRIL 7th,
PHONE RECORDS SHOW SEVERAL CALLS
BETWEEN GIULIANI, PARNAS, NUNES
AND SOLOMON INCLUDING APRIL 10th
WHEN GIULIANI AND NUNES TALKED
ON THREE SHORT CALLS IN QUICK
SUCCESSION FOLLOWED BY A TEXT
MESSAGE AND ENDING WITH A NEARLY
THREE-MINUTE CALL.
THREE-MINUTE CALL. PHONE RECORDS ALSO SHOW THAT ON
APRIL 24th, THE DAY THAT
YOVANOVITCH WAS RECALLED TO
WASHINGTON, GIULIANI SPOKE AT
LEAST EIGHT TIMES WITH A WHITE
HOUSE PHONE NUMBER.
GIULIANI HAS PREVIOUSLY
ACKNOWLEDGED PRESSING TRUMP TO
REMOVE THE AMBASSADOR FROM HER
POST.
POST. HERE’S WHAT RANKING MEMBER NUNES
SAID LATE LAST NIGHT ABOUT THOSE
CALL LOGS.
CALL LOGS. >> MAYBE THEY HAVE THE
RECORDINGS OF MY PHONE CALLS
WITH RUDY GIULIANI.
THEY’RE WELCOME TO PLAY THEM
BECAUSE EVERYTHING I SPOKE WITH
RUDY GIULIANI ABOUT IS NOTHING
THAT I WOULDN’T CARE IF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE FOUND OUT.
>> DID YOU EVER TALK TO THIS
GUYLESSGUY
GUYLESSGUY LES PARNAS?
LES PARNAS? >> IT’S POSSIBLE.
I DON’T REALLY RECALL THAT NAME.
I REMEMBER THE NAME NOW BECAUSE
HE’S BEEN INDICTED.
I’LL GO BACK AND CHECK ALL MY
RECORDS, BUT IT SEEMS VERY
UNLIKELY THAT I WOULD BE TAKING
CALLS FROM RANDOM PEOPLE.
>> THAT’S THE THING, MIKA, HE’S
NOT A RANDOM PERSON.
>> NO.
>> NO. >> HE’S IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS
DRUG DEAL.
DRUG DEAL. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> ACCORDING TO, AGAIN,
ACCORDING TO WHAT JOHN BOLTON
CALLED IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS
DRUG DEAL, SO HE’S TALKING TO A
GUY WHO’S INDICTED AND IS
CLAIMING HE DOESN’T REMEMBER
THAT?
THAT? PLEASE.
PLEASE. >> A LAWYER FOR LEV PARNAS TELLS
"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" THAT
NUNES AND HIS CLIENT WERE
FOCUSED ON INVESTIGATIONS INTO
CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE.
THAT’S LIKE BECOMING --
>> THAT’S FUNNY.
>> -- A KEY LINE THAT MEANS
SOMETHING ELSE.
SOMETHING ELSE. ADDING, QUOTE, THEY WEREN’T
TALKING ABOUT WHERE TO FIND
SUSHI IN KYIV.
OKAY.
OKAY. >> I DON’T GET THIS, THOUGH,
MIKA, I MEAN, WHY -- THINK ABOUT
THE TIMING.
THE TIMING. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> THEY CLAIM THEY’RE INTERESTED
IN CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE.
DONALD TRUMP’S NEVER TALKED
ABOUT CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE.
WHY WOULD THEY SUDDENLY BECOME
INTERESTED IN CORRUPTION IN
UKRAINE RIGHT AFTER THE STATE
DEPARTMENT AND THE D.O.D. SAID
THAT THERE WAS NOT A SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNT OF CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE
TO CONCERN THE AMERICANS AND IT
WAS TIME TO TRANSFER THE MONEY
AND THE WEAPONS TO UKRAINE.
YOU START WORRYING ABOUT
CORRUPTION RIGHT AFTER DONALD
TRUMP’S D.O.D. AND DONALD
TRUMP’S STATE DEPARTMENT SAYS NO
PROBLEM WITH CORRUPTION IN
UKRAINE?
UKRAINE? >> YEAH, I GET THE FEELING
CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE MEANS DIRT
ON POLITICAL RIVAL.
HEIDI, YOU HAVE REPORTING
LOOKING INTO THIS AND WHAT’S
COMING UP?
COMING UP? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?
>> RIGHT, SO SCHIFF SAYS HE’S
KICKING THIS OVER TO THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, BUT PEOPLE
I TALKED TO ON THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE HAVE BEEN THINKING
ABOUT HOW THESE ARTICLES COULD
BE SHAPED FOR QUITE A WHILE
BECAUSE AS NANCY PELOSI SAYS,
THEY’VE HAD THE GOODS, RIGHT?
AND SO MY REPORTING IS WHAT THE
CONSIDERATIONS ARE RIGHT NOW
ABOUT WHAT THESE ARTICLES MIGHT
LOOK LIKE.
LOOK LIKE. WHAT WE DO KNOW AT THIS HOUR IS
THAT THERE IS LIKELY TO BE AT
LEAST ONE BROAD ABUSE OF POWER
ARTICLE ENCAPSULATED IN THAT
EVERYTHING THAT FROM THE
PRESIDENT USING HIS OFFICE FOR
PERSONAL GAIN, LEVERAGING
TAXPAYER DOLLARS, APPROPRIATED
FEDERAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO
EXTORT A FOREIGN COUNTRY IN
ORDER TO HELP HIMSELF
PERSONALLY.
PERSONALLY. SECONDLY, CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS,
AND THIS IS WHERE THERE’S
SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS UNDERWAY,
MIKA AND JOE, AS TO WHETHER THIS
ONLY FOCUSES ON UKRAINE AND WHAT
THE PRESIDENT DID BECAUSE
THERE’S SO MUCH THERE IN TERMS
OF BLOCKING WITNESSES, FROM THE
VERY GET GO, PAT CIPOLLONE
SENDING A LETTER OCTOBER 2nd
SAYING YOUR INVESTIGATION,
CONGRESS, IS CONSTITUTIONALLY
INVALID AND NONE OF US ARE GOING
TO COOPERATE WITH IT OR WHETHER
THEY INCLUDE SOME OF THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION MATERIALS.
INVESTIGATION MATERIALS. THAT IS A HOT DEBATE RIGHT NOW
AS TO WHETHER THEY’RE GOING TO
GO ANYWHERE NEAR MUELLER.
A LOT OF THE PROGRESSIVES IN THE
CONFERENCE WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH
AS POSSIBLE IN THEIR LEADERSHIP
CONCERNED THE MORE DIFFUSE THEY
MAKE IT THE HARDER IT WILL BE TO
GET SUPPORT FROM REPUBLICANS, IF
THEY’RE GOING TO GET ANY
SUPPORT.
SUPPORT. >> THAT’S GOING TO BE A WILD
HEARING, THE JUDICIARY HEARING
COMMITTEES ARE GOING TO BE WILD.
MATT GATES, HAVE SOME
REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG
LOUD DEFENDERS OF THE PRESIDENT.
JUST GOING BACK QUICKLY BECAUSE
IT CROSSES INTO YOUR WORLD IN
THE WHITE HOUSE, THESE PHONE
CALLS WITH GIULIANI.
ON APRIL 24th, RUDY GIULIANI, A
PRIVATE ATTORNEY NOT WORKING FOR
THE GOVERNMENT CALLED THE WHITE
HOUSE SEVEN TIMES.
WHAT ELSE HAPPENED ON APRIL
24th, MARIE YOVANOVITCH WAS
RECALLED FROM UKRAINE, BROUGHT
BACK TO WASHINGTON AND FIRED.
LATER IN AUGUST WHEN THEY WERE
TRYING TO SET UP A WHITE HOUSE
MEETING HE WAS TALKING WITH OMB,
RUDY GIULIANI AS WALTER SHAB
SAID, I CAN THINK OF A LOT OF
BAD REASONS WHY HE’D BE TALKING
TO OMB, I CAN’T THINK OF ONE
GOOD REASON.
GOOD REASON. RUDY GIULIANI CALLING THE WHITE
HOUSE AGAIN AND AGAIN AT THESE
CRITICAL MOMENTS IN THE UKRAINE
STORY.
STORY. >> RIGHT, THE TIMING OBVIOUSLY
CAUSES US TO RAISE EYEBROWS.
HE’S THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL
ATTORNEY.
ATTORNEY. HE CAN CALL THE PRESIDENT.
OMB, TLKS NO JURISDICTION THERE.
WHAT DOES OMB DO?
HELPS TALK ABOUT FUNDS TO
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE. THAT IS ALSO GOING TO BE A
SUBJECT OF INVESTIGATORS
QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS. GIULIANI LAST NIGHT DENIED ANY
SORT OF WRONGDOING.
THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE
FOCUS GOING FORWARD.
LET’S NOT MISS THE 30,000 FOOT
LOOK HERE THAT THIS REPORT SAYS
THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES PLACED HIS PERSONAL AND
POLITICAL INTERESTS OVER THE
INTERESTS OF THE NATION.
>> YEP.
>> YEP. >> AND THAT’S WHAT’S GOING TO BE
THE SUBJECT OF THIS HEARING
TODAY.
TODAY. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, THIS IS GOING
TO BE A WILD SCENE.
THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS TWICE
THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE INTEL
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. THESE HEARINGS TEND TO BE IN
THIS COMMITTEE TEND TO BE
UNRULY.
UNRULY. AS YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE
PRESIDENT’S MOST ARDENT
DEFENDERS ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
THERE’S BEEN TALKS AND REPORTING
ABOUT SOME SCENES THEY’RE GOING
TO TRY TO CREATE SOME STAGING,
SO THEY’RE GOING TO TRY TO ACT
OUT, SLOW THINGS DOWN.
I THINK IT WILL BE SORT OF
FASCINATING TO WATCH.
I DON’T KNOW THAT NECESSARILY
IT’S GOING TO BE THE AMERICAN
REPUBLIC AT ITS BEST, BUT THIS
IS IT.
IS IT. WE OF COURSE ALSO HAVE THIS
SPLIT SCREEN WHERE THAT’S GOING
TO BE UNFOLDING WHILE THE
PRESIDENT IS IN LONDON AND IS
GOING TO BE REACTING TO IT WHEN
WE SEE HIM LATER ON CAMERA.
>> TOM NICHOLS, BOY, WHAT A
PARTY WE USED TO BELONG TO.
YOU’VE GOT THE REPUBLICANS SPENT
ALL WEEKEND PUSHING RUSSIAN
PROPAGANDA TALKING POINTS THAT
THE INTEL COMMUNITY WARNED THEM
NOT TO.
NOT TO. TRUMP’S INTEL COMMUNITY, BY THE
WAY.
WAY. YOU’VE GOT THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON
THE INTEL COMMITTEE IN THE
MIDDLE OF THIS SO-CALLED, QUOTE,
DRUG DEAL CALLING AROUND
INDICTED UKRAINIANS WHO WERE
TRYING TO GET THINGS HAPPENING
BEHIND THE SCENES.
AS PART OF -- AGAIN, JUST A PART
OF THIS BIGGER DRUG DEAL, AND OF
COURSE YOU’VE GOT A REPUBLICAN
LEADER THAT’S RUNNING THE HOUSE
OF REPRESENTATIVES IN KEVIN
McCARTHY WHO TOLD HIS CAUCUS
BEFORE DONALD TRUMP WAS
NOMINATED THAT HE WAS CERTAIN
THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS BEING PAID
OFF BY VLADIMIR PUTIN, NOW THEY
JUST LINE UP LINE THE QUIZLINGS
THAT THEY ARE AND DO WHATEVER
THIS MAN ASKS THEM TO DO.
>> YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST
IMPORTANT THINGS THAT COMES OUT
OF THIS IS TO REMEMBER THAT
ELECTIONS MATTER.
ELECTIONS MATTER. THAT IF THE DEMOCRATS HADN’T
TAKEN THE HOUSE IN 2018 WE
WOULDN’T KNOW ANY OF THIS.
ONE OF THE REALLY IMPORTANT
OUTCOMES OF THAT WAS THAT ADAM
SCHIFF ENDED UP CHAIRING
INTELLIGENCE RATHER THAN DEVIN
NUNES, AND ALL OF THIS WOULD
HAVE BEEN BURIED, BUT I THINK TO
GO BACK TO THE REPUBLICANS, THE
MOST IMPORTANT THING IS
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A SEARCH FOR
THE TRUTH.
THE TRUTH. >> EVERYBODY.
>> EVERYBODY. >> EVERYBODY.
>> EVERYBODY. THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO GO
TO THE MATTRESSES NOT BECAUSE
THEY BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP IS
INNOCENT BUT BECAUSE THEY
BELIEVE IT IS A PARTISAN
IMPERATIVE TO SAVE DONALD TRUMP
FROM IMPEACHMENT.
FROM IMPEACHMENT. IT’S NOT LIKE THEY DON’T KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT HAPPENED. EVERYBODY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. I THINK ADAM SCHIFF WAS
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT YESTERDAY TO
SAY WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH
INFORMATION TO SEND THIS ON TO
JUDICIARY.
JUDICIARY. WE’RE GOING TO FIND OUT MORE
THINGS.
THINGS. INVESTIGATIONS ARE GOING TO GO
ON, BUT IT’S JUST GOING TO BE
MORE ROCKS ON THE SCALE OF
PROVING WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW,
WHICH IS THAT THE PRESIDENT PUT
HIS INTERESTS ABOVE THE NATIONAL
INTERESTS TO PRESSURE AN ALLY
INTO DOING HIS PERSONAL BIDDING.
NO MATTER HOW MANY WAYS YOU TRY
AND PUT THAT BACK TOGETHER,
THAT’S WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO.
>> YOU KNOW, MIKA, TOM REALLY
LAID IT OUT PERFECTLY.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT ACTING
THIS WAY, NOT PARROTING RUSSIAN
PROPAGANDA BECAUSE THEY THINK
DONALD TRUMP IS INNOCENT.
THEY’RE DOING IT BECAUSE THEY
KNOW HE’S GUILTY.
>> SO THEN IT LEADS TO THE
QUESTION BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT
BS,
BS, YOU KNOW KEEPS PUSHING BACK IN A
WAY THAT I THINK PEOPLE,
ESPECIALLY LEADERS IN WASHINGTON
HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE WITH MORE
LIES, WITH MORE INSULTS, AND
MORE BULLYING.
MORE BULLYING. KARINE JANUARY PIERRE, I KNOW
YOU’RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT
KAMALA, WE’LL GET TO THAT IN A
MOMENT.
MOMENT. THIS TRIAL WILL BE GOING ON A
MONTH BEFORE IOWA, AND YOU’VE
GOT TWO SIDES THAT ARE NOT
GIVING IN.
GIVING IN. YOU KNOW, SOME MAY SAY THAT I
OBVIOUSLY SIDE WITH THE
DEMOCRATS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE
THERE’S ONE SIDE WITH THE FACTS
AND THE OTHER SIDE THAT WILL DO
ANYTHING TO IGNORE THE FACTS,
AND I THINK THIS COULD BE
ACTUALLY TOUGH FOR THE
CANDIDATES TO HANDLE, ESPECIALLY
IF VOTERS ARE KIND OF TUNED OUT
TO ALL OF THIS.
>> YEAH, MIKA, IT’S QUITE MIND
BLOWING WHAT WE’RE SEEING, AND I
JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING.
WE HAVE TO REMEMBER ON OCTOBER
3rd, DONALD TRUMP WALKED OUT ON
THE SOUTH LAWN, AND HE WAS ASKED
BY A REPORTER WHAT DID YOU WANT
UKRAINE -- THE UKRAINE PRESIDENT
TO DO?
TO DO? HE SAID I WANTED HIM TO
INVESTIGATE BIDEN.
INVESTIGATE BIDEN. HE DIDN’T MENTION BURISMA.
HE DIDN’T MENTION CORRUPTION.
AND YOU HAVE A SITUATION NOW
WHERE A REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT
USED TO BE ABOUT MR. GORBACHEV
PLEASE TEAR DOWN THIS WALL TO
NOW TAKING KGB BASICALLY
ESSENTIALLY TALKING POINTS,
MISINFORMATION, AND PUTTING IT
OUT THERE, AND I JUST DON’T KNOW
WHERE THE LINE IS.
WHERE IS THE LINE?
IS THIS PRESIDENT ABOVE THE LAW
OR NOT?
OR NOT? I MEAN, THAT IS JUST WHERE WE
ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK WHAT DEMOCRATS NEED
TO DO IS CONTINUE DOING WHAT
THAI DOING, WHICH IS KEEP GOING
FOR THE FACTS, KEEP LAYING IT
OUT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, AND
THAT IS WHAT IS AT THEIR