>>THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE IS WELL AWARE THAT IN
THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY HE STAYS THERE IS AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF
FOCUS ON THE CORRUPTING INFLUENCE OF MONEY ON POLITICS,
SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT ODD THAT THEY CHOSE THIS WEEK, RIGHT NOW,
TO ROLL BACK A BAN PUT IN PLACE BY PRESIDENT OBAMA THAT STOPPED
FEDERAL LOBBYISTS AND POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES FROM
CONTRIBUTING TO THE DNC.
GOOD TIMING THERE.
ALTHOUGH DEBBIE
WASSERMAN SCHULTZ NEVER ADMITS TO ANY OF HER WRONGDOING OR
MANIPULATING TO TRY TO ADVANTAGE HILLARY CLINTON, SO I AM SURE
SHE WILL WEATHER THIS FINE.
BUT WE DO HAVE A STATEMENT ON WHY
THEY FELT THE NEED TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW.
THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR OF THE DNC SAID --
>> THIS ROLLING BACK OBAMA'S
THING THAT WAS DONE TO GET SOME
OF THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS FOLLOWS LAST SUMMER --
>>
YOU DON'T HEAR THE WORD QUADRENNIAL USE A LOT IN
CONVERSATION.
>>YOU DON'T.
>>THIS NEWS COMES OUT TODAY, THEY HAD APPARENTLY QUIETLY
INTRODUCED THIS DURING THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS.
LET'S IGNORE THAT
RULE, AND NOT TELL ANYBODY.
BY THE WAY, WE ARE IGNORING THAT
RULE GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKING MONEY.
IT
SAYS IN THE WASHINGTON POST THAT SOME SUGGESTED IT COULD PROVIDE
AN ADVANTAGE TO HILLARY CLINTON'S FUND-RAISING EFFORTS.
THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
DOESN'T
LOOK BAD IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION WHERE AT LEAST ONE OF
YOUR CANDIDATES IS SAYING WE SHOULD BE THE HONEST PARTY, THE
ONE NOT BEHOLDEN TO MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES AND LOBBYISTS
AND SUPER PACS?
>>YOU ARE PRONOUNCING IT WRONG.
>>MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE CEDING THE GROUND TO THE REPUBLICANS,
SAYING WE WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE EQUALLY CORRUPT.
THE
DNC AND RNC.
THERE IS A TWIST HERE, I WILL DEFEND THEM A BIT.
I WOULD NOT DO UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT.
PRESIDENT OBAMA DID
THIS SYMBOLIC MOVE, I HATED IT ON TWO GROUNDS.
YOU HAVE THIS
BOAT LEAKING EVERYWHERE, SUPER PAC MONEY, DARK MONEY, COMING IN
IN 1000 DIFFERENT WAYS, AND PRESIDENT OBAMA GOES WE WILL
PLUG THIS ONE AND THIS ONE AT THE DNC, NO SUPER PACS AND NO
LOBBYIST.
JUST THE DNC.
BUT THE WHOLE THING IS LEAKING.
YOU HAVE
TO FIX WHAT IS CAUSING THE LEAK, NOT JUST PLUG TWO OF THE HOLES.
IT WAS A WEIRD, STUPID BAND-AID THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
ON THE
OTHER HAND, YOU ARE GIVING THE DNC AND WEIRD DISADVANTAGE
AGAINST THE RNC.
IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FIX THE LEAKS, DON'T
JUST DISARM YOUR DNC AND LET THEM KEEP GETTING SUPER PAC AND
LOBBYIST MONEY.
BERNIE SANDERS WANTS TO RUN ON NOT TAKING SUPER
PAC MONEY, WE LOVE YOU FOR IT, THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SEARCHING.
I
THINK IF YOU ARE THE DNC AND WE WERE STUCK WITH THE SYSTEM,
NUMBER ONE YOU SHOULD TRY TO FIX IT, THAT IS THEIR FIRST PROBLEM,
THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO FIX IT --
BUT IF YOU ARE LIVING WITHIN THAT SYSTEM YOU HAVE TO
FIGHT AS HARD AS YOU CAN AND PLAY BY THOSE RULES.
>> I FEEL LIKE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MAKE SOME SENSE, BUT WE
LIKE THAT BERNIE SANDERS HAS DISARMED UNILATERALLY IN TERMS
OF NOT COORDINATING WITH SUPER PACS VERSUS HILLARY CLINTON, BUT
NOT JUST BECAUSE IT FITS WITH WHAT YOU WANT, BECAUSE IT
PROVIDES HIM WITH CERTAIN ADVANTAGES TODAY.
HE HAS BROUGHT
IT UP A FEW TIMES.
IF HE BECOMES THE EVENTUAL NOMINEE HE
THEORETICALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAY HERE ARE MORE WAYS
WE ARE DIFFERENT FROM REPUBLICANS.
WAS DOESN'T WORK
AGAINST TRUMP, BECAUSE HE SELF FUNDS THE CAMPAIGN, HE DOESN'T
TAKE DONATIONS FROM SUPER PACS.
BUT NOW THEY CAN'T MAKE THE CASE AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD HAVE.
>>IT HURTS THEM AS A MATTER OF PERCEPTION.
THEY ARE DOING IT
BECAUSE OF THE ELECTIONS, AND YOU MAKE A PERFECTLY FINE POINT.
IF THEY WERE COURAGEOUS ENOUGH TO SAY WE ARE DOING IT AS A
MATTER OF PRINCIPLE AND WE ARE THE PARTY THAT REPRESENTS THE
PEOPLE AND WE WON'T REPRESENT THE LOBBYISTS, THAT WOULD BE
FANTASTIC.
THAT WOULD BE A BOLD WAY TO GO.
THESE ARE NOT THOSE
GUYS.
>>IT IS LIKE WANTING HILLARY TO SUSPEND THE SUPER PAC
COORDINATION LIKE BERNIE HAS.
IT WOULD REASSURE US THAT SHE TAKES THIS SERIOUSLY BUT
SHE WOULD NEVER DO IT BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT HER CHANCES.
>>THE PARTY LED BY BARACK OBAMA, HILLARY CLINTON, AND DEBBIE
WASSERMAN SCHULTZ WILL NOT TAKE THAT KIND OF ACTION.
INSTEAD
THEY WILL TRY TO DESPERATELY FIND MONEY AND FUNNEL IT TO
OTHER SUPER PACS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BRING IT TO THEM.
IF
YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL TAKE IT FROM THE
DNC.
>>BY THE WAY, I'M SURE THE COORDINATION IS A LITTLE BIT
HANDS OFF BETWEEN HILLARY CLINTON AND DEBBIE WASSERMAN
SCHULTZ, THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT DOING STRATEGY MEETINGS ALL THE
TIME, SO I CAN'T SAY THAT HILLARY NECESSARILY HAD ANYTHING
TO DO WITH THIS.
BUT WHEN SHE SAYS SHE IS COMMITTING TO
CHANGING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN POLITICS AND SHE IS A
PROGRESSIVE AND GETS STUFF DONE, IT IS POSSIBLE THIS IS ONE OF
THE THINGS SHE GOT DONE.
BUT AS A SIGN OF HOW SERIOUSLY THE DNC
IS TAKING THIS CHANGE --
>>IT IS NOT JUST LIKE WE WILL
ACCEPT THEM, WE ARE ACTIVELY
COORDINATING THEM WITH A PAID POSITION.
AND THIS TIES INTO
WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT THIS MIGHT HELP HER FUNDRAISING.
IT
MIGHT SEEM LIKE IN THE GENERAL, BUT WHY WOULD A HELPER NOW?
WELL --
>>
THAT IS A LOT OF $27 DONATIONS.
>> I DON'T SEE HOW -- THIS HELPS BERNIE SANDERS, THIS HURTS
HILLARY CLINTON.
THE NEWS OF THIS GETTING OUT HELPS BERNIE
SANDERS, AND IT FEEDS AGAINST THE NARRATIVE OF HILLARY
CLINTON.
THIS MIGHT EVENTUALLY BE BENEFICIAL TO BERNIE SANDERS
IN A WAY, RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT GOOD FOR HILLARY BECAUSE NOW SHE
NEEDS TO WIN THE BATTLE OF IDEAS, WHICH SHE IS LOSING.
AND
BECAUSE OF THESE DEVICES PEOPLE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT BERNIE
SANDERS RIGHT AWAY NOW.
I THINK THAT IS WHY SHE IS GOING TO LOSE
AGAIN.
PEOPLE FORGET THAT IN 2007, I MENTIONED IT LAST NIGHT,
ALL THE DEMOCRATS WHO WERE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT,
CHRISTOPHER DODD, BARACK OBAMA, OR MAKING THE CASE THAT HILLARY
WAS UNELECTABLE. 50% OF AMERICANS SAY THEY WILL NOT VOTE
FOR YOU UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
CHRIS DODD SAID THAT ON THE
DEBATE STAGE.
THAT IS CHRIS DODD.
LET'S REMEMBER, SHE IS A
BAD CANDIDATE, SHE IS FLAWED.
THIS HURTS HER.
THIS
EXACERBATES, SHINES A LIGHT, ON ALL THE THINGS PEOPLE DON'T LIKE
ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON.
AND ALL THE THINGS PEOPLE LIKE ABOUT
BERNIE.
BUT AS WE EXPLAINED IN OUR LIVE COVERAGE OF THE DEBATE,
SHE'S DAMNED IF SHE DOES AND DAMNED IF HE DOESN'T.
IF SHE
DOESN'T TAKE MONEY, BERNIE IS RAISING MONEY LIKE CRAZY FROM
THE PEOPLE.
SHE WILL GET OUTSPENT AND LOSER ONLY
ADVANTAGE.
IF HE DOES CONTINUE TO TAKE THE SUPER PAC MONEY, SHE
LOSES THE BATTLE OF IDEAS.
BERNIE HAS PUT HER IN A HELL OF
A CORNER.
AND DON'T UNDERESTIMATE WHAT A BOLD AND
UNBELIEVABLY COURAGEOUS MOVE IT WAS FOR BERNIE SANDERS NOT TO
TAKE SUPER PAC MONEY, BECAUSE IT IS CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IN DC AND
HAS PLAYED OUT IN REALITY THAT IF YOU DON'T, YOU ARE DEAD IN
THE WATER.
FOR EXAMPLE, BUDDY ROMER ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE
SAID I'M NOT TAKING SUPER PAC MONEY, NO DONATION OVER $100.
DEAD.
THEY DISMISSED HIM, HE COULDN'T GET INTO DEBATES.
IT WAS BOLD.
>>I THINK IT WAS LESS BOLD THAN YOU THINK IT WAS.
IF HE'S
RUNNING -- HE IS JUST ONE ISSUE, THE ISSUE IS ARGUABLY THE ENTIRE
ECONOMY, WHICH IS A BIG ISSUE.
BUT IF HIS SECOND ISSUE IS
GETTING MONEY OUT OF POLITICS, AND YOU ARE RUNNING THIS SORT OF
OUTSIDER CAMPAIGN, YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
>>YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET MANY DONATIONS ANYWAY.
>>BUT IT WORKED OUT.
NOW OBVIOUSLY HE CAN'T DO IT.
HE
DOESN'T NEED TO, HE KEEPS GETTING $30.