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>> Martha: A LITTLE GRETA
VAN FLEET FOR FRIDAY.
THE POWER TO DESTROY
CIVILIZATION, ELON MUSK’S
TERRIFYING NEW WARNING ON AI IS
SURE TO GET YOUR ATTENTION.
THE BILLIONAIRE TECH TYCOON
TELLING TUCKER CARLSON ABOUT HIS
CONCERNS.
WATCH THIS.
>> AI IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN,
SAY, MISMANAGED AIRCRAFT DESIGN
OR MAINTENANCE OR BAD CAR
PRODUCTION IN THE SINCE IT HAS
THE POTENTIAL, IT IS NONTRIVIAL,
HAS THE POTENTIAL OF
CIVILIZATIONAL DESTRUCTION.
>> Martha: DID YOU CATCH THAT
LAST PART?
PROVING HIS POINT JUST THIS
WEEK, THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY
CHILLING STORY, AN ARIZONA MOM
CLAIMED THAT SCAMMERS USED AI TO
CLONE HER DAUGHTER’S VOICE SO
THAT THEY COULD DEMAND A
$1 MILLION RANSOM.
AND JOE ROGAN ISSUED A WARNING
ABOUT AI AFTER SOMEONE CREATED A
FAKE, COMPLETE VERSION OF HIS
PODCAST.
IT WASN’T HIM, HE NEVER HAD
THOSE GUESTS ON, NOTHING ABOUT
IT WAS REAL, WITH AI TECHNOLOGY.
>> I AM NOT THE REAL JOE ROGAN.
LET ME REPEAT IT ONCE MORE: I AM
NOT JOE ROGAN.
AND THE GUESTS ARE NOT THE
PEOPLE THEY PORTRAY.
THIS IS PURELY FICTION, JUST FOR
FUN, SO DON’T GO AROUND MAKING
LITTLE CLIPS WE ARE TIKTOKS AND
MAKE THE WORLD THINK I SAID WHAT
I NEVER SAID B OF EVERY WORD OF
THIS PODCAST HAS BEEN GENERATED WITH THE HELP OF CHAT GTP
ChatGPT.
>> Martha: YOU THINK ABOUT THE
POTENTIAL CRIMINAL LEVEL OF
THIS, JANINE, AND THIS MOM, HER
DAUGHTER WAS ON A SKI TRIP WITH
HER OTHER DAUGHTER, SHE GETS A
PHONE CALL, IT IS HER DAUGHTER’S
VOICE SAYING, CRYING, THROUGH
SOBBING TEARS, MOM, I MESSED UP,
THEN A GUY GETS ON THE PHONE AND
SAYS I WANT A MILLION DOLLARS,
IF YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER BACK.
SHE SAYS I DON’T HAVE THE MONEY,
GETS IT DOWN TO 50,000, AND
EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO HELP HER,
HE FINALLY FIGURED OUT THAT HER
DAUGHTER WAS OKAY AND IT WAS
WHERE SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS.
THIS IS HAPPENING A LOT,
ACTUALLY.
>> Jeanine: THINK ABOUT HOW IT
HAPPENED BEFORE AI.
WHEN YOU GOT AN EMAIL FROM A
TEXT MESSAGE, OR A PHONE CALL.
NOW -- THAT’S THE POINT -- NOW
IT IS GOING TO BE MORE REAL THAN
EVER.
YOU KNOW, THOUSAND SCAMS BY AI
VOICES MIMICKING LOVED ONES IN
EMERGENCIES.
IN ADDITION TO THE CRIMINAL
ASPECTS, THEY DUPLICATE THE
VOICE OF A LOVED ONE, I MEAN,
YOU’VE GOT THE OTHER PIECE THAT
ELON MUSK IS TALKING ABOUT, THAT
BASICALLY THE POTENTIAL OF
CIVILIZATION DESTRUCTION.
WHAT CONCERNS ME AND WHAT I
THOUGHT IT WAS FASCINATING, AND
I DON’T KNOW IF I AM PRO OR CON
ON THIS, I KNOW I DON’T KNOW
ENOUGH, BUT THEY HAD A WOMAN --
>> Harold: THAT IS NEVER
STOPPED YOU BEFORE.
>> Jeanine: THANKS A LOT.
A WOMAN WHO LOST HER 7-YEAR-OLD
DAUGHTER, AND SHE USED AI TO TRY
TO DUPLICATE HER DAUGHTER’S
VOICE, AND THEY HAD A PICTURE OF
THE DAUGHTER, AND YOU COULD SEE
WITH THESE MECHANICAL HANDS SHE
WAS TRYING TO GRAB ONTO HER
DAUGHTER, WHO WAS DECEASED.
I CAN SEE PEOPLE WHO LOSE A
LOVED ONE, A HUSBAND LOSES A
WIFE, I’VE GOT TO HEAR THEM
AGAIN, I’VE GOT TO SEE THEM
AGAIN.
THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE OUR
LIVES.
WHAT ABOUT THE GUY WITH THE
TOP-SECRET ACCESS, TEIXEIRA, 21
YEARS OLD, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO DO THAT AND USE THAT AS
AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO
SELL INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, THIS
IS -- WE ARE NOT READY FOR THIS.
WE ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT READY FOR
IT.
I WORRY ABOUT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL
CAPACITY THAT PEOPLE HAVE TWO
DEAL WITH THIS, WHETHER IT IS
FEAR, WHETHER IT IS EMOTIONAL
TRAUMA.
WE ARE ALREADY ON THE EDGE.
HALF OF US ARE CRAZY.
NOT THIS HALF, THAT HALF.
>> Harold: CLEARLY.
>> Martha: YOU THINK ABOUT,
HAROLD, WHAT ELON MUSK HAS BEEN
ABLE TO DO IN HIS LIFE, ROCKETS,
ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
>> Harold: HE IS IN AI.
>> Martha: TWITTER, NOW
STARTING IN AI BUSINESS, WORKING
ON RESEARCH FOR A LONG TIME.
DO YOU THINK HE HAS POTENTIAL --
EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE
TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM THE
DANGERS OF THIS, YOU KNOW, CAN
HE DO THAT?
CAN ANYBODY DO THAT, AT THIS
POINT?
>> Harold: I’M 52.
HE IS, I THINK A LITTLE OLDER
THAN I AM, HE IS THE STEVE JOBS
OF OUR GENERATION.
WE HAVE PRAISED HIM AROUND THIS
TABLE FOR MANY THINGS, AND HAVE
BEEN MILDLY CRITICAL, AT TIMES,
WHEN WE THOUGHT HE DESERVED
CRITICISM.
HIS VOICE, TO ME, IS THE LEADING
VOICE AROUND TECHNOLOGY.
FOR HIM TO SAY WHAT HE SAID
THERE IN THE CLIP WE SHOWED
COMING INTERVIEW WITH TUCKER,
WHICH I LOOK FORWARD TO
WATCHING, SHOULD DESERVE KNOW
MIGHT US ALL.
I HAVE A VERY CLEAR POSITION ON
THIS, AND I DISAGREE -- THE
PERSON WHO OCCUPIES THAT SEAT
MOST OF THE NIGHT, DANA -- WE
DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS.
CHINA HAS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT
THE SAME THINGS WE ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT.
CAN IT BE AUTHENTIC, WITH OF
MEDS ARE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY
DECIDE TO USE AI’S.
I THINK WE PAUSE TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT ELON MUSK IS SUGGESTING.
A NUMBER OF TECHNOLOGISTS AND
OTHERS.
THE JUDGE AND I TALKED ABOUT
THIS WHEN THIS ISSUE CAME UP,
WHO DO YOU SUE -- WE HEARD OUR
OWN COLLEAGUE JONATHAN TURLEY,
HORRIBLE THING HAPPENED TO HIM,
WHO DO YOU SUE, WHO DO TRY TO
SEEK JUSTICE FROM ON SOMETHING
LIKE THAT HAPPENS?
THE PAUSE IS NECESSARY FOR A
VARIETY OF REASONS.
>> Jesse: TYPICAL LAWYER.
WHO DO YOU HOLD ACCOUNTABLE?
>> Harold: I WILL HOLD YOU
ACCOUNTABLE.
>> Martha: THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION SAYS THEY WANT
REGULATIONS AROUND AI BUT YOU
GET THE VERY UNNERVING FEELING
THAT THEY AND MOST OF EVERYBODY
DOESN’T REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS.
I THINK ELON MUSK HAS PROBABLY A
MUCH BETTER HANDLE ON IT THEN
THEY DO BUT WANT TO START
PUTTING REGULATIONS ON IT.
DOES THAT CONCERN YOU?
>> Jesse: BITE AND WANTS TO
REGULATE IT BECAUSE IF ANYONE IS
GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH
AI IT IS JOE BIDEN.
I’M GOING TO TAKE AN ARTIFICIAL
STANCE ON ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE.
BY THE TIME THIS THING GETS
GOING, I’M GOING TO BE DEAD, SO
I DON’T CARE.
>> Martha: I THINK IT’S GOING
TO TAKE THAT LONG?
>> Jesse: SO I DON’T CARE.
I DON’T PRETEND TO UNDERSTAND
IT.
LIKE SOME PEOPLE.
I DON’T CARE, A ROBOT CAN’T
REPLACE ME, I’M NOT GOING TO
INTERVIEW A ROBOT, A ROBOT WOULD
NEVER ASSASSINATE ME, IT’S
INEFFICIENT.
THE PROBLEM IS THIS.
ELON MUSK IS BUILDING ROBOT
CARS, SO HE HAS ALL THESE
WORRIES BECAUSE HIS ROBOT CARS
ARE ALL CRASHING.
HIS ROBOT CARS RUN BY AI ARE
DRIVING INTO LAKES, AND THEY ARE
BLOWING UP OR THEY ARE DRIVING
INTO THE MIDDLE OF A RAILROAD
TRACK, SO THAT IS WHAT HE IS
WORRIED ABOUT.
YOU NEED THE HUMAN TOUCH BEHIND
THE WHEEL OF A SELF-DRIVING AI
CAR.
FOR INSTANCE, LET’S AM DRIVING
DOWN THE HIGHWAY AND I LOOK TO
MY RIGHT AND WHAT DO I SEE?
I SEE A COUPLE FORNICATING IN
THE NEXT CAR?
TO OUR SLOW DOWN?
PROBABLY SPEED UP.
DOES A ROBOT CARS SEE THE OTHER
CAR COUPLE FORNICATING?
NO, THEY STAY RIGHT IN THEIR
LANE, THEY DO NOT NOTICE THIS BE
27-ANGIE AND THEN THAT
FORNICATING COUPLES CAR CRASHES.
SULLY IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
SAVE LIVES, TOOK THE WHEEL OF
THAT JET AND MADE IT COME DOWN.
A ROBOT COULD NOT OF DONE THAT.
EVERYONE GETS WORRIED WHEN THERE
IS NEW TECHNOLOGY INTRODUCED, IT
HAPPENED WITH THE PRINTING PRESS
PRESS, IT HAPPENED WITH THE
SYNTHESIZER.
ALL OF THE PIANISTS WERE IN A
PICKLE, THEY ARE GOING TO SEE
STEEL MY JOB, THE SYNTHESIZERS,
PLENTY OF PIANISTS STILL AROUND.
YOU CANNOT CANNIBALIZE YOUR
ECONOMY.
YOU NEED CONSUMERS, ALSO, NOTICE
WHEN AMERICANS GOT
FAT AND DEPRESSED?
1978.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BMI CHART,
BOOM, WE ALL BLEW UP INTO BIG
BLIMPS.
THAT IS BECAUSE WE STOPPED DOING
HEAVY WORK AND ALL SAT BEHIND
DESK IN FRONT OF COMPUTERS.
NOW WE ARE ALL FAT AND STUPID
AND DEPRESSED BECAUSE WE HAVE
THE MACHINES DOING EVERYTHING.
DO YOU WANT TO BE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
WHO LETS 50 MILLION ROBOTS
REPLACE 50 MILLION HUMAN JOBS?
NO!
SO IT IS NOT GOOD FOR THEM,
EITHER.
CASE CLOSED.
>> Martha: I THINK ABOUT Y2K
AND THEY TOLD US THAT WAS GOING
TO END THE ENTIRE GLOBE AT THAT
POINT AND CLONING WAS GOING
TO -- SUDDENLY EVERYBODY --
I DON’T KNOW, WHETHER IT FALLS
IN THAT CATEGORY OR NOT, GREG.
>> Greg: YEAH, WELL.
[LAUGHTER]
AFTER THAT ARTIFICIAL STANCE, I
THINK MY BRAIN IS FRIED.
I THINK YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY,
COMPLETELY --
>> Jesse: I DID THE
IMPOSSIBLE, I FRIED GUTFELD’S
BRAIN.
>> Greg: THERE ARE TWO KINDS
OF AI.
THE INFORMATION CATCHER, AND
THEN THERE IS THE THING MAKER.
I WANT TO SEPARATE THEM BECAUSE
THERE ARE TWO CHALLENGES IN
THIS.
THE INFORMATION CATCHER IS,
LET’S SAY YOU HAVE A MOLE ON
YOUR SHOULDER AND YOU TAKE A
PICTURE OF IT AND YOU PUT IT
INTO YOUR DOCTOR, YOU’RE AI
DOCTOR.
THE DOCTOR HAS CONTROL OVER ALL
THE INFORMATION IN THE UNIVERSE,
EVERY MEDICAL STUDY GOING BACK
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS,
HAS EVERY STUDY COME EVERYTHING,
COMES BACK AND TELLS YOU IT IS
THIS KIND OF THING AND IT IS
99.999 -- WAY BETTER THAN ANY
DOCTOR, TELLS YOU WHAT SURGERY,
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
THE PROBLEM IS, WHO INPUTS THAT
INFO AND DOESN’T HAVE A BIAS?
THE PROBLEM IS ALL HUMAN BEINGS
HAVE BIASES AND THEREFORE AI
WILL HAVE A BIAS, TOO, SO THE
ULTIMATE KIND OF DECISION-MAKING
IN THIS AREA FOR HUMAN BEINGS
WILL BE CHOOSING AND AI WHOSE
BIAS YOU FAVOR, JUST LIKE CABLE
NEWS.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A FOX NEWS
AI THAT YOU TRUST BECAUSE IT IS
TRANSPARENTLY BIASED, THEY KNOW
OUR OPINIONS, GOING TO TRUST IT,
BUT YOU CAN’T HAVE A CNN AI
BECAUSE THEY LIED, THEY NEVER
TELL YOU WHAT THEY BELIEVE, SO
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN,
ULTIMATELY, A BIASED AI -- IT
WILL BE A WORLD OF DIFFERENT
KINDS OF AI.
SO THEN YOU GET TO THE AI THAT
MAKES THINGS, AND YOU RUN INTO
THE PROBLEM, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN
YOU CREATE A MACHINE THAT THINKS
WITHOUT A -- WITHOUT BEING
CONSCIOUS?
A METER MAID WRITING A TICKET,
YOU CAN’T GET HER TO STOP.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM WHEN AI COME
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE REACHES
SUPER INTELLIGENCE WHERE IT IS
SO RECURSIVE, FASTER THINKING
AND FASTER THINKING, AND IF IT
HAS A GOAL, MAKING A HAM AND
CHEESE SANDWICH, AND YOU ARE IN
THE WAY OF IT MAKING A HAM AND
CHEESE SANDWICH, IT HAS NO MORAL
PROBLEM WITH GETTING RID OF YOU.
IT HAS ONE GOAL.
SO ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, THE
DANGER HERE, SUPER INTELLIGENCE
WILL HAVE A GOAL THAT PUT BEFORE
ANY KIND OF MORAL REASONING.
>> Jesse: MUST MAKE HAM AND
CHEESE SANDWICH.
>> Greg: THAT KIND OF THING.
THE PAUSE IS REALLY ABOUT THE
MAKING OF THINGS BECAUSE YOU DO
NOT WANT THIS MACHINE TO GET OUT
OF HAND.
THE OTHER THING ON US, WE HAVE
TO LOOK AT AI JUSTLY WE LOOK AT
NEWS, THERE IS BIAS AND HUMAN
BIAS.
>> Jesse: STOP PEOPLE FROM
WRITING TICKETS, THEY ALWAYS SAY
THE SAME THING, CAN’T --
>> Greg: THAT IS NOT CONSCIOUS
THINKING.
>> Harold: YOU USED
FORNICATION, SYNTHESIZER, AND
AI.
>> Martha: APPARENTLY IT
HAPPENS ALL THE TIME ON THE
HIGHWAY WHERE JESSE DRIVES.
COMING UP NEXT, YOUR KIDS DON’T
BELONG TO YOU, APPARENTLY,
ACCORDING TO SOME LIBERALS WHO