- When I had my kids, it was like, that changed everything.
- Well, the things you won't do for yourself,
you do for your kids.
- And are we protecting our children
the way that we never got to have that protection?
- Right, definitely, definitely.
It's funny, my kids didn't know
they had a security guard at school.
I hired someone to be an assistant PE instructor-
- Yeah. - Just to be there,
'cause people were trying to take them off the schoolyard.
I had to find clever ways to make them feel,
everything was normal, but I needed
to know eyes were on them,
and I was not gonna take that chance.
- I mean, your dad and Tommy
teamed up against the paparazzi,
and when they're going after you at the Viper Room,
I just, at a certain point,
I so understand, I get it.
Don't (beep) with my kids, this is not okay.
They didn't sign up for this.
- Yeah, it's sad, it's hard,
'cause they have to-- - It's so hard.
- I know, I know, it's hard.
But you're gonna get, you got it, you got it now.
I mean, this is--
- How did you get through it?
'Cause you raised these incredible boys.
- [Pamela] You have to be careful
with social media and everything.
- And then there's that layer.
I'm like, oh, I love having kids in this day and age.
And maybe our whole lives were the best things
for setting us up as parents.
- We just have to make sure that women know how
to make themselves safe, from very young girls.
- I also feel like anything that you do
that might have put yourself out there
in a sexual way gives you, also, no protection-
- Right, I hear that. - For everything is fair game.
- No right to privacy is what I was told.
- Yes. - And that
I probably wanted the attention when the tapes were stolen
and put out there.
I remember going to a deposition,
and they had naked pictures of me everywhere,
saying, "You like this."
"What kind of sexual positions do you like?"
And I was pregnant with Dylan.
And Tommy and I just said, we just have to let this go.
The damage is done, it's out there,
and we're never gonna be able to stop it,
so Tommy just said, you're right, let's just end it.
- But also, you got to say something
that, also, I hadn't heard another woman say,
which is, I don't really know exactly how
to love someone that isn't my kids' dad.
- It's hard.
(Drew laughs) I know.
That's hard, isn't it?
It's just that connection
that you don't have with anybody else,
and people may say that they can get past it, but I can't.
I haven't been able to, and that's okay.
I don't even care if I'm alone the rest of my life.
I've experienced really wonderful, loving moments,
and sometimes things don't last forever for a reason,
and it's okay, it's fine, it's okay.
And the last year I spent alone,
I think it's been the happiest year of my life.
- But I love this discovering of myself,
and I just, there's so many parallels
I feel with you. - I know, I see.
We could talk forever. - And I went, by the way,
I went to the opening night of "Chicago".
- I know, I didn't know that you were there.
I got your flowers, and thank you so much,
but I didn't know you were there.
- Well, it was probably better.
You had a lot to concentrate on.
You don't need to know anything
other than what you need to do.
I loved the dedication,
I loved in the documentary
that you could really see all the work that goes into that.
I know, I understand, 'cause I get it,
but like, no one will understand how much work goes into it,
and you nailed it, and I loved it.
You've opened yourself up to this next chapter,
and one of my final questions was gonna be,
what do you wanna do next?
And so this woman, her name is Tara Watson,
she did this tweet that went viral
about how you should join the cast of "White Lotus".
- (laughs) I know, I've heard that, too.
- [Drew] Have you heard about this?
- I heard about it.
I can't get, I call it White Onion,
but anyway, it's not "White Lotus",
it's pink, I don't know.
Anyway, I can't get it in Canada,
because my HBO app doesn't work,
because my Apple ID is American, so I can't get it there,
so I have to watch it, but I tried to watch.
I wanna watch it- - Have you seen both?
- But I heard everyone loves it, and it's crazy,
and I think, I mean, I'm up for anything.
- So you haven't really seen it yet?
- No. - Okay.
It's definitely one of, I think.
I would say the only way to describe it is a masterpiece.
- Really? - Yes, it's a masterpiece.
Mike White, who is writing and directing it,
it is a masterpiece,
and each season is different than the other.
There's a through line with a woman named Jennifer Coolidge.
- Right. - That's who they're saying
you need to be a relative of hers.
She was the string from one to two.
That's not a spoiler.
It is a masterpiece,
and I now wanna vote for that, too.
(Pamela laughs)
I really do.
- Like I said, something great is just around the corner.
- [Drew] Would you be okay to do that?
- I don't know, I mean, I just feel like,
it's such an interesting time.
I just kind of wanna see.
I would love to do something, like I said,
when I did Broadway,
I just wanted to know what I was capable of.
I didn't know if I could sing, if I could dance,
if I could act, on stage in front of every.
I just wanna push myself,
so I think that would be an incredible challenge.
But like I said, I'm not an ambitious person,
I just want to go- - I'm not either,
I hate the word ambition. - With the flow.
Yeah. - Drive and ambition.
- No, I just love this kind of romance
and sensuality and this kind of romantic lifestyle
that I've, activism and everything,
so I don't really know what's next,
but I know I haven't really had the opportunity
to see what I'm capable of on film yet.
- I cannot wait to see what you do next.
This is a fertile, opportune, redeeming,
meaningful, earned time for you.
- Are you gonna do more movies?
You have to.
- If we could do one together.
We could both be in "White Lotus".
We could.
- That would be funny.
- I want you to be in "White Lotus".
I would do--
- We could be sisters in "White Lotus".
- Yeah.
Should we call Mike White?
- Maybe we should call him.
Oh, that's funny.
- I'm telling you.
I have to say, also, why this woman's tweet has gone viral
and why everybody's jumped on the bandwagon is
because I think that show is becoming a franchise
that might be one of the most respected in this industry,
and that's where people see you.
- Wow.
Who would've thought?
- I would.
- (laughs) Thank you, Drew. - We all would.
- It's true, you are so loved, and appreciated.
- Oh, thank you.
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